Originally Posted by sumitas

Imo, Barabro is still the reigning 3 yr old at this time. If Bern was in the Fla derby is see him coming in 3rd and losing the KD to Bobby. You can't take away what Bobby did or even what he could have done. on and off the track.

Originally Posted by sumitas

and Foolish Pleasure did not beat Ruffian. she was a dnf and it was a no contest, She retired undefeated.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

But, seriously as a man as old as you are should know, sometimes attempting to be clever and humorous just isn't worth it if it means possibly upsetting others.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Please tell that to the American Racing Manual and the Daily Racing Form ...

... they've been reporting that Ruffian was 10 for 11.

Originally Posted by sumitas

They are wrong, she was 10 for 10 in races she finished.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Being upset about lifes tradgedies is what makes us human beings.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

what a disgusting comment. butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

First you know nothing about what my life is or has been like so don't go there. I have not led a charmed or sheltered life, I have had to work my a$$ off for anything I've gotten. Way to not address my point though, and I am not sure how to rate what happened to Barbaro but it was pretty bad. It has obviously gotten better, but it could still take a turn for the worse. I wasn't refering to what happened in the Preakness as one of life's tragedies, but it was pretty bad. I was making the point that while I didn't have a direct connection to barbaro like owning him, it was sad to see it happen. A dog was run over by a car on my block today, I didn't own the dog, but it was sad and upsetting seeing the owners standing over him. Got my point?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Again, dancing around the issue. My point with you is that you were criticizing people for being upset about what happened with Barbaro. You said since we didn't own him, it was "inconsequential." You instructed us all on how to live "comfortable lives." Well my life is comfortable, but there are moments of pain when something sad happens. I say that's called being human. You are doing your thing, and ignoring that. I don't know how you would describe a tragedy, but ask the Jackson's, or the owner of that dog today, they might say it was a tragedy.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Again, dancing around the issue. My point with you is that you were criticizing people for being upset about what happened with Barbaro. You said since we didn't own him, it was "inconsequential." You instructed us all on how to live "comfortable lives." Well my life is comfortable, but there are moments of pain when something sad happens. I say that's called being human. You are doing your thing, and ignoring that. I don't know how you would describe a tragedy, but ask the Jackson's, or the owner of that dog today, they might say it was a tragedy.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

1. I never criticized anyone for being upset about a horse snapping a leg ... I simply pointed out that nearly eveyone's life is a series of "upsets" ... and that particular upset was one of the less consequential ones among all the upsets someone could potentially face.

2. The loss of the dog may have indeed been a tragedy to the owner ... but it shouldn't be to someone who didn't own the dog ... or who wasn't particularly intimate with the owner.

3. Some things I'd describe as tragedies are ... 100 million innocent people being slaughtered by communist tyrants worldwide ... or 50 million innocent million people losing their lives in a war started by National Socialists and Japanese Imperialists ... or 3,000 innocent people being incinerated in their workplaces ... or learning that a loved one has cancer ... or seeing a loved one run over by a car ... or snapping a leg ... and ...

... and the Jimmy Carter administration.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Don't waste your time trying to argue with him... he's obviously had a silver spoon in his mouth for his entire life and wouldn't have the slightest inkling of what you were inferring to. I completely understand and consider what happened to Barbaro one of life's tragedies. Bold will never get it... it's not in him to have compassion for anything other than what "gets him off" at the moment.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

How simplistic and jejeune of you.

You know nothing of my personal life ... other than that I claim to be 63 years old. And wouldn't you think ... if you were capable of thought ... that someone who has lived for 63 years would have experienced at least one ... if not many ... personal tragedies?

Shame on you for making so public your ignorance..

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

And shame on you for judging someone else who happens to consider what happened to a horse a life tragedy. Just who are you to judge what is a tragedy to someone else? You make light of something that obviously affected many people (yourself not included.) What right of that is yours?

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I've never tried to tell anyone what they should or should not regard as a tragedy.

I'm only advising them that if they think that someone else's race horse snapping a leg is one of life's tragedies ... then they're in for quite a few much bigger shocks down the road.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm 26, but I've still witnessed death and sickness. Cancer and heart disease has wreaked havoc on my family and a close friend has terminal cancer. I've put 3 dogs to sleep due to pain and suffering... all life tragedies. And I viewed what happened to Michael Matz, Edgar Prado etc, as a life tragedy. You know Bold... sometimes, the way that you word things can be very hurtful to others that may see things differently than you do. I apologize for making an assumption about your life. You're correct... that was wrong of me.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

The things you describe about your personal experiences are simply awful ... it's a wonder you've been able to keep your sanity ... although being a member of this forum sheds some doubt on that.

But how in the world could you ... with everything else that's happened in your life ... consider a rich guy's race horse snapping a leg to be one of the tragedies in your life?

I'm not saying that you don't ... it's just that I don't see it remotely comparing with everything else you've experienced.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I just can't see how barabro would be the 3-y0 champ over Beranrdini...i just can't...it would be a political and emotion-influenced travesty IMO...

But then again, I've seen a few bad Eclipse votings...i musdt admit that the voters (and i know MANY of them) in this industry..alot of them are not half-qualified to vote.....too many people with little knowledge of this industry have votes and it is not right...i'll leave it at that...

just like when Declan's moon beat out Afleet Alex as Champ 2-yo a few years ago when never leaving Cali. or running in the BC while Alex carrered his game to all the big dances and won multiple important stakes and never dodged anyone while runnig well everytime with some bad luck when he lost.....stupdi West coast propaganda gave it to Declan's moon - who is now showing that he is a real rat while Afleet Alex was a true champion race horse....

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

1. Yes you did criticize people, you said and I am paraphrasing, that since no one except for the Jackson's owned Barbaro that being upset was inconsequential. And we should not let "inconsequential" things like a horse breaking down make us upset. Read your post gramps.

2. Don't try to determine what is or isn't a tragedy. In your old age you should realize that what may be trivial to you is serious to another, so to judge is ignorant. How can you judge what is important to people?

3. All of what you have described are tragedies, and I'm sure people are upset about them all. My point is that what may seem inconsequential to you, ie Barbaro, may be very important to someone else. This is a horse racing site, so people are going to be passionate about horses. Some have a vested interest, some have a financial, and some have an emotional. It's ignorant to try and deem one's emotional reaction to somebody or something being hurt. It's called compassion, try having some. And don't forget to take your dentures out before you go to bed.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

That's the thing though... while it may not be a life tragedy to ME, I do consider it a life tragedy for his connections. I said it was one of life's tragedies... not one of my own, but I still hold compassion for those that it affected. I'm not making much sense tonight. I think it's time for me to throw in the towel and hit the hay. :D

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Now you're saying something completely different.

We've been talking all along about people who consider Barbaro's injury to be a personal tragedy in their lives ... not the Jacksons' lives.


I wouldn't worry too much about the Jacksons though ... I think they'll be OK.

Originally Posted by PostCritic

Hello. This is my first post...so excuse me if this has already been said. Has anyone looked at the earnings as a measure of best 3 YO? There must not be a lot of gamblers on here.

Barbaro $2,203,200
Bernardini $1,610,480

Originally Posted by PostCritic

Funny thread. I agree with most of the things you wrote but I think you should reacquaint yourself with the definition of empathy. FYI.

em·pa·thy (mp-th) Pronunciation Key n.
1. Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives. See Synonyms at pity.
2. The attribution of one's own feelings to an object.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Someone's trying to force funny