Forgot about it at first. But yes they would be towards the top.

Average field size, number of races at distance, wire-to-wire win percentage and win percentage of horses sitting 1st, 2nd or 3rd at first call. Broken out by distance and firm/wet turf.

365 Day Stats (Not just current meet)

Arlington


Colonial

Thanks for these....

Can you get a current meet one?

Fair Grounds is a horrible turf course. It's more like a sand course.

Pretty sure it's Bermuda grass. I think it looks terrible but plays very fair.

Agreed

You can't believe the numbers there though, all the turf numbers are 4w4w because they avoid the rail like the plague there.

There were some times this winter when it was playing VERY unfairly.

True. Plus the majority of the turf races there are complete garbage.

Yeah, I closed out of my database but I will pull them. I will pull Fairgrounds too

Not as bad as it seems watching the races.

13 of 48 (27%) turf sprints have been won by horses on the lead at the half-mile call (which I know is very near the end of these sprints, but it's the best way to measure it....if a speed horse was up front and going to win, they'd likely still be there, but remember that these "style" stats are done by eye, so the speed winners really are speed winners, and likely fit the criteria listed above).

10 of 32 (31%) turf sprints at 5f have been won by horses on the lead at the half-mile call.

And funnily enough, Surfer Rosa has the meet record for most lengths OFF the pace at the half-mile call to have won.

Look at the topic title.



Don't you feel Rock Tardish??

No. I didn't quote the person who mentioned Fair Grounds.

You'll get there...given the advances in modern medical technology----and so forth.

That hurts.

I give up already....find me Thebby's weasel photo.


The one with the pink lipstick.

Lol Coach!!!

Half mile call? Are you talking at the half mile pole or the half mile time?

The numbers I caught were W2W.

I got those stats from TSTV.com's handicapping section, which those numbers come from Bris.

I can't find the Drugs-like email I put together, the next 5f race on the turf, I'll post what they have.

Half mile call, so like I said, near the end of the race -- but if a winner is listed as "speed" in the Arlington Turf Stats, then it was a speed horse up top who held on the whole way, so it's really distinction without a difference.

So the stats above are for leaders at the half-mile call, near the end of the race, but they aren't that significantly higher than the "speed" horse numbers, so the point is essentially the same, that speed horses, however you classify them, win about a third of turf sprints, any way you look at it as far as I can tell from the visual "turf stats" and the Polycapping databse.

AP Current Meet

Thank you

I can't find the information I found, I deleted the sent mail, but it indicated a major front end bias in 5 furlong turf races. I'll be able to get it again next week when they run a straight 5 furlong race again. Next two days there is no straight 5 furlong races.

FG 365 Day Stats

Please don't take this the wrong way -- but I'm wondering if you're confusing a sort of turf "bias" with the nature of 5f and 5.5f sprints as a whole; speed is a huge advantage.

Take the Arlington Polytrack course -- speed horses are winning 28.7% of all races run on the Arlington main course, but they're winning an astounding 40% of 5f & 5.5f sprints. Speed is a threat at shorter distances, but it's not always because a course isn't fair, there are huge race dynamics involved.

I get it.

I got the stats from here (See Delaware Track Bias as example). Probably hard to see but when Arlington runs another 5f at her specific conditions I will get them again



Also, let me say that I am not trying to make it about Surfer, she is what she is, I never look at these stats but I happened to look when I was rewatching her race and I noticed the stats and thought it was odd

Nah, I know that -- I'm the one who brought her up, because in the course of researching this for this thread, I found out that she was the deepest closing turf sprint winner of the meet.

That's not on you for me bringing it up, we just disagree about the nature of the Arlington turf course, especially in sprints, because compared to main track races at similar distances, it's remarkably fair, heck, even kind to closers compared to the main track.

Gotcha. I really started the thread for input since I don't follow tracks outside of the Northeast close enough on a daily basis to really know.

As the course becomes ragged over the meet, it doesn't favor closers quite as much as it does when the grass is higher. The movement of the rail also has an effect.

The FG turf takes quite a beating from the Jazz Fest patrons. The new irrigation system will keep the turf in better shape than it has been in the last few meets.