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somerfrost 08-26-2006 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
Well said Somer. Bernardini impressed me today. He is a damn good horse. But to say he is better than Bid or Secretariat? HUH? I say I want some of what they are smoking! :)

Honestly, I was wondering before the Travers why I am not a Bernardini obsessed person. I think it is because he won the Preakness. My heart cannot get over Barbaro. I think I kinda block Bernardini out. I can only think of that as a reason I am not head over heels for this horse. Does anyone else feel this way?


I do! I was dazed after the Preakness, wasn't even sure who won the race...and didn't care! After watching replays, I was very impressed but still felt that Barbaro would have won...! Bernardini's next race was a paid workout and frankly, so was the Travers. Not his fault that he's the best 3yo in training but still...people here constantly ask "who did he beat" when talking about past horses, yet some are willing to anoint this guy as the "greatest ever"...lets watch a couple more races!

Danzig 08-26-2006 07:36 PM

anyone who thought barbaro ran an incredible derby and was absolutely awed by his performance, which stacked up historically against so many others...and with the supposed curses he sneered at....well, it'll be hard not to look at bernardini and not wonder what if. (and don't forget, his margin today compares to barbaros margin in MAY)

it is too soon to call him the best ever, the best in years...who here will move him ahead of tiznow right now? over sunday silence? unbridled, alysheba?? affirmed, seattle slew, secretariat, the bid, ap indy???? not me!

Betsy 08-26-2006 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
i agree with one hundred percent of your post.

i think bernardini is a fine racehorse....but MY jury is still out, and will remain so as to where he fits in on any list.

he's nowhere near red and the bid right now.

No he's not (what horses are?), but he certainly is at least as good (if not better) than AA or Smarty Jones.........I'd like to know what track records they broke or champions they beat. This colt has the potential to be something very special.......but, there will always be skeptics

And I disagree about Bernardini merely beating a horse who was taken out of his game. Bluegrass Cat was taken out of his game precisely because JV knew that there was no way his horse could possibly win otherwise. Bernardini BC change tactics.......that, to me, says tons about what kind of horse he is. Now Bernardini is going to be penalized because he did merely what he was supposed to do? Hmm, after the Haskell, most people were saying that BC was as good as Bernardini that day and would give him a tough test. Now they're backtracking and detracting from Bernardini because, with 20/20 hindsight, Bernardini was the better horse?

Seattleallstar 08-26-2006 07:40 PM

terrorist sympathizer?

Bold Brooklynite 08-26-2006 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker
He sure did look good today waltzing around Toga again..... I'll admit that for sure.

I've posted it many times ... but I'll do it again ...

You're never as good as you look when you win ... or as bad as you look when you lose.

Keep everything in perspective.

Buffymommy 08-26-2006 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
I do! I was dazed after the Preakness, wasn't even sure who won the race...and didn't care! After watching replays, I was very impressed but still felt that Barbaro would have won...! Bernardini's next race was a paid workout and frankly, so was the Travers. Not his fault that he's the best 3yo in training but still...people here constantly ask "who did he beat" when talking about past horses, yet some are willing to anoint this guy as the "greatest ever"...lets watch a couple more races!


Good to know it isn't just me. Thanks Somer.

To be honest, I am thinking Bernardini is one of the best out there right now. But really do we have a Ghost Zapper, Secretariat, Bid, etc... running right now? Does Bernardini have what it takes to be as good as these horses were? Yes. Is he there in my book? Not yet. But he has the potential too.

Scurlogue Champ 08-26-2006 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
I've posted it many times ... but I'll do it again ...

You're never as good as you look when you win ... or as bad as you look when you lose.

Keep everything in perspective.

Believe me, I have everything in perspective.

In no way do I think he is the best horse on the planet, and he will lose.

Cunningham Racing 08-27-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
Javier has ridden the two best horses seen in 30 decades

maybe the best 3 in the last 15-20 years if you believe Bellamy Road's Wood win.....this is debatable to know end, but he has been quite a bit of talent for a guy that isn't in the upper-echelon of riders in America (are percieved to be)...

I think bernardini is better than the Zapper...I really do if you look how easily he is winning right now and not even being asked for his best and being so lightly raced and young in his career...he'll only get better which is really freakin' scary....

dalakhani 08-27-2006 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
No one has more right to be enthusiastic about Bernardini than I ...

... so listen up ... because I speak with the authority of first discovery ...

... the most that can be said for Bernardini ... as of today ... is that he's the best 3YO colt since Sunday Silence and Easy Goer.

That's it ... no more than that ... but ...

... stay tuned ... because there may be an update in the next few weeks.

End of discussion.

Better than Holy Bull?

Bold Brooklynite 08-27-2006 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Better than Holy Bull?

I said it's "the most that can be said" ... setting an outer limit for the goo-goos ...

... not that it's necessarily true.

My posts must be read slowly and carefully ... studied, in fact ... because every word ... every phrase ... is a well-conceived gem ... to be enjoyed like fine wine.

dalakhani 08-27-2006 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
I said it's "the most that can be said" ... setting an outer limit for the goo-goos ...

... not that it's necessarily true.

My posts must be read slowly and carefully ... studied, in fact ... because every word ... every phrase ... is a well-conceived gem ... to be enjoyed like fine wine.

Yeah, i really like your racing stuff.

I want to see him beat older horses. The talent is there but I like to see them beat really good horses before we say one way or the other. It will be an interesting fall to say the least.

alysheba4 08-27-2006 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Bernadini is undoubtedly the best three year old that I have ever seen. I can't see him losing again the rest of his career unless something goes awry within a race physically. Hes incredible.

....yesterday looked like a paid workout, i would take sunday silence or easy goer as my choice of 3 year olds but no doubt bernadini is amazing.

Betsy 08-27-2006 02:11 PM

I'm under no illusion that Bernardini is the next Bid or Big Red, but that's no knock on the horse. He's still a relative baby and he's shown potential for true greatness - that's what excites me. Isn't that why we watch horse races? This should be a fun thing, watching Bernardini go through his paces and possibly join the ranks of great horses. We don't get this caliber of horse very often- I'm going to enjoy it.

I will say that I think it's unfair for his races to be somewhat denigrated by having them called mere public workouts, as if he didn't put any effort into them. Bernardini is winning so easily because he's so good - he shouldn't be penalized for being incredibly talented.

Danzig 08-27-2006 02:17 PM

calling a race a public workout isn't denigrating at all...

Betsy 08-27-2006 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
calling a race a public workout isn't denigrating at all...

I really should have edited my post as soon as I entered it. Let me say that no one here has denigrated Bernardini's performance yesterday - denigrated was a poor choice of words on my part.

What I really meant to say is that I've seen comments (not necessarily on this board) that Bernardini hasn't been tested yet because his races are public workouts. Well, that's possibly true, except that he did face a couple of challenges from BC yesterday and shrugged them off. He passed that test. However, if he's going to be a great horse, he's got to pass several tests. The Gold Cup is a huge race for him........what a day that's going to be.


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