But, but, teleprompter!!!!!

Bush went to Harvard AND Yale. Not exactly known for admitting dummies either.

Yeah but nepotism has its advantages.

Bush is not a re re but he's clearly one of the least intelligent presidents of all time.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle634182.ece

and he's clearly lacking in...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openness_to_experience

You can dislike Obama but you would be a fool to bet against him in a battle of wits against either Bush.

Really? Bush Sr. was pretty sharp. Ever see his experience record?

And I knew the alleged nepotism was going to come up. Are we to assume that there was no advantage given to Obama, at all? I find that hard to believe.

Bush Sr. relished in nepotism as well.

Sure Obama had some advantages like affirmative action but if given the choice would you rather be an impoverished minority benefiting from government entitlements or would you prefer to be the descendant of a filthy rich family with access to basically anything your heart desires?

Exactly.

It's too bad we can't interview the person who was turned down so that Obama could attend Harvard via "Affirmative Action".

Or anybody turned down so that, if you're correct, nepotism could prevail in Bush's favor.

The answer in both cases is a pure merit system.

so you think he should choke to death for snubbing the boy scouts? :wf

Why would we want to interview someone who went to another school and more than likely ended up being successful?

I'm not saying nepotism is fundamentally wrong nor would I lie and say that I wouldn't slapdick my way through life like Dubya did and snort coke until my motor skills deteriorated to the point where I was stuck with a permanent dumbfounded expression on my face...

Just like I'm not saying Affirmative Action is fundamentally wrong and I wouldn't take advantage of it if I was a minority and had no other means of attending college and/or getting a job due to a country that, for the most part, is run by white guys.

What I'm saying is I respect Obama more than Bush. He's had a tougher road and no doubt has faced way more adversity than Jr.

He's someone african-americans should look up to. He lets them know that it is possible to achieve great things in a country that enslaved their great-grandparents.

Bullpucky!!!! He was hand fed and gifted all the paths to higher education and a job in politics if he wasnt then you tell me how the poor little guy from Hawaii with no Daddy has gotten where he has. He is a made man just like others before him its just that he wasnt made by family money he was made by wealthy benafactors who have seasoned him to fullfill their agenda.

Ever since I took the Evelyn Woodhead sped ridin course, my ridin has im-PRO-v'd won-der-FULL-y. I ricommend these Evelyn Woodhed Speed Riddin Course to all my frens out there and you tell 'em that you heard it here first... on Roller Derby

That is laughable.

He lived in Indonesia for 4 years and moved back to Hawaii with his grandparents and attended a private school on scholarship.

Not exactly living like a Kennedy.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Coach is owning this thread, and that's pretty impressive considering he bashes Obama on a regular basis. I'd give him 10 pies. :tro:

Oh I dont, well go see what kind of 411 you get on his records from Columbia he was a B plus student. Beleive me I do tend to research things a little bit before I post here esp about the POTUS.
A private school in Hawaii is like going to a good school in Iowa, they arent exactly known for their quality of education publicly or privately. He may have not lived like a Kennedy but he was molded like one later in life. So you tell me how a kid with no Daddy and no money and no real connections gets as far as he has. He was in school and then he was in politics and you dont think anyone helped him along the way? Can I get a hiit of some of your cush?

And it's ridiculous that I have to defend him against Bush but quite frankly I'm sick of the comparisons.

It's like this..

"Yo dawg, take this turd and Kiwi polish and see if you can make it sparkle in 18 months...if not, you're horrible and dumber than Bush."

No, just no.

it's like choosing between turd sandwich and douche bag. obama no doubt is smarter.
neither one has managed to do much of anything good for the country, so what does it matter anyway?

He still has time to make things better.

There aren't many scenarios where I see him making a bigger mistake than Iraq. Only a daddy's boy like Bush would f.uck up that bad.

Well that's a different conversation. People are trying to conflate what they think about his policies and leadership with how smart he is, which is why every time someone in here earlier said "well, I'm not so sure he's smarter," they would back it up with "well, I'm not better off than I was 19 months ago" and "OIL SPILL!"

Neither of which have anything whatsoever to do with whether he's smart of not, which is completely why Coach is owning this thread, because he's apparently the only one who can keep the conversation straight.

Really though, if there's a soul out there who legitimately thinks that there is even the slightest chance that Dubya is smarter/more intelligent than Obama, they should get their head checked. Policies are one thing to disagree with, but the actual intelligence conversation should be pretty one and done.

And his leadership has been pisspoor since about 3 weeks into office, so I'm essentially sick of him too at this point.

I am extremely disappointed with his foreign policy. I was naively hoping he would bring our troops home and let Iraq and Afghanistan eat cake.

Americans can be conditioned to embrace peace. Shocking, I know.

I'm extremely disappointed in quite a bit, the least of which is what you're talking about. If he's going to compromise his chances of getting re-elected, I wish he'd at least have gotten a healthcare bill with some teeth passed, I hate the wars which up to this point have been no different than his predecessor, just today he moved to expand the government's ability to willy-nilly get information on people with nothing more than the stroke of a pen, and he's languishing behind on very simple campaign promises that I care about very much.

Basically, he sucks, but he's still not the anti-Christ, and he's still at least marginally better than what came before him.

As I mentioned somewhere (not sure if it was here), after the Shirley Sherrod clowncar extravaganza, he should be happy the election is not being held today -- because I'd go vote for local politicians and leave the President spot blank. I have no desire at all to go vote for someone who is only a sliver better than any generic Republican counterpart. If I wanted someone who was going to do all the things I didn't want them to do, I'd have voted for McCain in the first place.

Totally

could you folks with all your making sense, having your facts straight, using complete sentences with all the words included and being semi-respectful to each other please let nascar back in here for those of us that are waiting to hear what he has to say. I just pray he doesn't have me on his "ignore" list so he can see that I, at least, like reading his comments. As long as he's around, I won't be the stupiderest one in the room.

I would never put you on the ignore list.

You have alot room calling someone stupid. Are you going to mentor me?

Blame Bush for Iraq all you want , he never would have gone if the US Senate did not give him a overwhelming majority vote

The current Vice President and Secretary of State both agreed with Dubya and the current in fact in her speech said it was the right thing to do for the commander in chief and that she knew what Bush was going through becuase she hap spent 8 yrs on the other side of Penn ave and sometimes you have to make decisions without all of the facts and information available.

I wonder how many of you would have voted agaisnt the 1st gulf war back Bush Sr 's term...........well i know one senator who did ...........it's the current VP

You can't have it both ways , Joe Biden blew the 2 biggest votes in his senate history , yet Obama is smart for picking Uncle Joe as VP with his stellar record

Picking Biden who is a supposed expert and got both Iraq WAR votes wrong , makes Obama pretty smart hey?

You are pretty wrong there buddy.

actually I believe SNL made up that word, and Bush used it as a joke.

:tro:

you mentioned gulf one....no one was against it. iraq brought that on themself when they invaded kuwait. that was probably the highest point for the u.s. in years-that coalition was quite an achievement. you might want to go back to all that happened during that time, and see the reaction when bush sr suggested taking down hussein then. and why we didn't invade iraq then. what changed in the years since then, i don't know (nothing did)? bush jr ignored everything in his rush to connect iraq to 9/11, or to something, and invade. it was an astronomical blunder. the reason the senate bit is that bush and his minions sold everyone hook, line and sinker on why to invade. it was a huge lie. we elect these people to make crucial decisions. they may not always be the most popular decision. but they should be the right one.
question: when in history has a president of this country asked for a war vote and not gotten it?

before you go to war, you're supposed to make sure that it's a righteous war, also that it's a winnable war, and that it will leave you in a better position than you were before. can you say any of those fit iraq or afganistan?

they are also the ones behind 'you can see russia from my house'. things is, no one can say that they couldn't really picture either of them saying those things!

If I'm making a bet on who has a higher IQ, I'll take Obama no doubt.

They still both suck as presidents, Obama to me is like G.W. Bush II, still as much in love with spending as the last guy, and both have no clue about what the fucl< they are doing.

Well replace it with misunderestimated.

i don't disagree with a lot of what you say , but , edwards has come out and said he made a mistkae when he voted for the authorization , kerry , biden , clinton , schumer . etc etc have not said that

senior leaders in the senate of the democratic side voted agaisnt the war ..byrd and kennedy come to mind , why didn't theses junior democratic senators listen to the elders in the party who as it turned out knew better

blame bush all you want , but if the democratic senators follwed kennedy and byrd and he only had a slim majority he probably wouldn't have gone

as for the minions selling this theory , hillary clinton's speech when she voted totally nullifies that theory , she lauded herself is a strong willed independent women who had been on both sides of the aisle penn ave and knew that decisions had to be made that were going to be tough and sometimes had to be "gut"calls

kerry was on the armed forces comittee , he saw all the reports for over a decade and knew what the deal was

these key democrats , the current VP included , all came to their own opinions and even cited data that they looked at prior to bush even being president

As for the 1st gulf war , there was a vote , and the current vp , voted against operation desert storm ....brilliant guy that joe , hey barack

or about 50 other words.

Roger Clemons still has the best one with misremembered.

thing is, a lot of congresss members voted for the war because they felt their constituents wanted it. voting by poll numbers, rather then going by what they knew. now, some people think that's how congress is supposed to do, vote for their majority. but the voters don't necessarily have all the facts, or understand who had what to do with 9/11, and who didn't. most importantly, most voters didn't understand the power vacuum it would create by removing iraq from the picture. now voters know who amadinejad(sp) is, and wonder why iran feels they can throw their weight around. it's because of us, that's why. they wonder why we're broke. the wars, that's why. no one thought about the far-reaching implications. bush 2 thought we'd sweep thru iraq and win in a week, since that's what bush 1 did. completely different scenario from the first war to the second over there.

blame bush all you want that's fine , the current vp of the united states who was choosen by the president voted for the war if he was snookered by the minions than he isn't fit eneought to be VP and obama should know that

just his "no" vote on the 1st iraq war should have disqualified uncle joe from any executive office

obama for picking this guy shows his lack of intellingence plain and simple

that's the thing, i don't just blame bush. i blame congress as well. it was a huge mistake by everyone involved.

and yeah, i don't care for biden. his vote against gulf one was a mistake. i don't understand why obama chose him, surely there could have been someone better? why did obama choose him for vp?

because Barack does not know what he is doing despite what the meida says

A smart man could see Joe's voting record and see he doesn't have a clue

that was a dumb pick , and it's his most important pick to date

Cheny was a better pick for VP based upon his record prior to becoming vice presdient than Biden , but , somehow bush is the dumb one

i think his supreme court nominees were more important picks. as for who is smarter, i don't care who was smarter, or dumber, or has what degrees from where. it's got nothing to do with their qualities or abilities as leaders. bush showed after eight years he was not a good pick; however, i don't know that his competition could have or would have done better. obama, thus far, isn't showing he's a good leader either.

Stop using facts, it flusters them, they'd much rather stick with their spoonfed "news" from FoxNews.