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freddymo 07-01-2010 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 663994)
As far as Rachel Alexandra is concerned, what was wrong with either the Delaware Handicap or the Ruffian?

Aren't Life At Ten, Unrivaled Belle, and even Funny Moon more accomplished than Rachel Alexandra this year?

Did we really need a third race between July 17 and August 1 made up on the spot to further dilute the Eastern-based distaff pool?

Yes we did because MP made it happen. jess bought the filly for X mil now he cant bring his ball to the playing field he likes why? because Fn Delaware has a race, who cares about Delaware Park? Or maybe he should HAVE to race in the Ruffian and have ASS take a pay cut because NYRA isn't up to the task in 2010? Let it go...MP is the talk of the racing community, in a good way, they moved quick, struck when the iron was hot, and got their whale.. Ruffian Schmuffian.. She was a great horse doesnt mean her race has to be the be all and end all..

Travis Stone 07-01-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 663994)
As far as Rachel Alexandra is concerned, what was wrong with either the Delaware Handicap or the Ruffian?

Aren't Life At Ten, Unrivaled Belle, and even Funny Moon more accomplished than Rachel Alexandra this year?

Did we really need a third race between July 17 and August 1 made up on the spot to further dilute the Eastern-based distaff pool?

The irony in all of this is while Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta bob-and-weave big races in favor of lesser spots, there are other horses who are not ducking who could easily dust them when it comes time for end-of-the-year honors, Breeders' Cup not withstanding.

Also, there have been a few races which could have easily been dubbed the "Race of the Year" up to this point... Apple Blossom, Hollywood Gold Cup... but now that honor goes to the Whitney, with Blame vs. Quality Road. I'm more excited about that than seeing a 3-peat in the Clement and the Lady's Secret at MTH. Been there, done that.

freddymo 07-01-2010 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 663998)
The irony in all of this is while Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta bob-and-weave big races in favor of lesser spots, there are other horses who are not ducking who could easily dust them when it comes time for end-of-the-year honors, Breeders' Cup not withstanding.

Also, there have been a few races which could have easily been dubbed the "Race of the Year" up to this point... Apple Blossom, Hollywood Gold Cup... but now that honor goes to the Whitney, with Blame vs. Quality Road. I'm more excited about that than seeing a 3-peat in the Clement and the Lady's Secret at MTH. Been there, done that.

Yep Blame is packing them in at the turnstiles? Stubhub is crushed every time Blame's connections decide on his next race?

cmorioles 07-01-2010 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 663999)
Yep Blame is packing them in at the turnstiles? Stubhub is crushed every time Blame's connections decide on his next race?

I can imagine the windfall Monmouth is getting from all those extra $2 admission ticket sales.

Travis Stone 07-01-2010 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 663999)
Yep Blame is packing them in at the turnstiles? Stubhub is crushed every time Blame's connections decide on his next race?

Seats at the Whitney were almost as high as Lady Gaga tickets.

Cannon Shell 07-01-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 663980)
What races should they be running in at this time of the year?

Are you saying they should be racing exclusively against males?

Was that a criteria for all fillies and mares of the past?

Has it occurred to you that connections of both know their horses and dont think they can withstand a campaign exclusively against males.

Did Personal Ensign have rigerous campaigns? Was Winning Colors run into the ground?

Dont mean to bombard with questions just think its a much more complex issue then is being made out to be. Holding these horses or their connections responsible for the trend in racing to less races is not really fair. Especially when you look at how often Rachel in particular ran last year.

Forget what I say. If they never run another race they go into the Hall of Fame. They are stars

This is laughable. This isnt complex, the connections make it complex. The industry isnt keeping these guys from running in top races and ducing each other (well i guess Monmouth would be complicit now). The idea that the sorry group of males is something to be feared is also laughable. It isn't as though we are asking them to run against Forgeo or Seattle Slew or Sunday Silence or Skip Away or just about anybody any good. Hell they cant even race against each other in filly races. What is your excuse for that?

Lady's Secret may have eventually been run into the ground but during the process of doing so she accomplished a hell of a lot against much rougher competition that these two cream puffs. And I keep wondering why Personal Ensign is being brought back into the conversation. There is a horse that absolutely didn't have to be brought back due to the fact she had her leg pinned back together. And because of that she had to have briefer campaigns than normal in her day. But of course we understood that back then because you know she had a bag full of screws in her leg. That would seem to be a touch more valid excuse than what we are being fed now.

RockHardTen1985 07-01-2010 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 663937)
RA lost pretty badly this year?

Did I miss a start where she ran up the track?

Or are you Smooth Operators meat puppet?

IC does she have to run up the track to get beat badly? She lost to 2 horse who both came back to get beat.... Enough said... Its not like the races she lost in came back KEY or anything, I would call them both pretty bad losses all things considered.

RolloTomasi 07-01-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 663997)
Let it go...MP is the talk of the racing community, in a good way, they moved quick, struck when the iron was hot, and got their whale

You're the one who should be struck with a hot iron.

freddymo 07-01-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 664000)
I can imagine the windfall Monmouth is getting from all those extra $2 admission ticket sales.

Your just pissed you missed the Oaklawn boat...lol

cmorioles 07-01-2010 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664009)
Your just pissed you missed the Oaklawn boat...lol

I didn't, I sold several at a HUGE markup.

ateamstupid 07-01-2010 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 663986)
It was a legitimate question. Dont see how its a straw man argument. Trying to get to heart of the matter. Are you saying is a question. You are saying is not.

Im asking what races should they be running in. Against who? Will assume you will give them both a pass on their first race of the year so which races should they have run in the last two?

Why are you going back in time? They're still running against cupcakes and it's their respective fourth races of the year. It was a straw man argument, because I said absolutely nothing to suggest they should be running exclusively against males. All I said is they've been on deck long enough this year, step into the box already.

freddymo 07-01-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 664007)
You're the one who should be struck with a hot iron.

I can see if I can hook you up with a seat if you dont think you can score your own...maybe even slip you into the backstretch were the horsey are.. You will be able to see them in there stalls..maybe even as they are being feed and watered..lol If you have never seen a horse up close it could be a great experience maybe you could become a hotwalker?

freddymo 07-01-2010 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 664011)
I didn't, I sold several at a HUGE markup.

Now you are bragging...... embarrassing...Did you report the income?

cmorioles 07-01-2010 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664014)
Now you are bragging...... embarrassing...Did you report the income?

Not yet. Tax day is April 15th, 2011. I made much more selling extra Thunder playoff tickets. I'm almost an official ticket broker these days.

XIIPointStables 07-01-2010 07:04 PM

Does this make it a lock she won't race at Saratoga? A bit of a slap in the face of NYRA after all this insane coverage of her arrival yesterday no?

Or are the connections publicly pointing to this one to try and coax Zenyatta east (no detention barn at MTH, I get it) and then back out and go in the Ruffian if Z does NOT come east.

EDIT: The friggin Lady's Secret is an ungraded stake? Is the money really that important to the connections?

EDIT2: Okay there's a story here right? Someone at NYRA didn't bend over backwards for Jess and Co.? Monmouth is throwing in a dozen free Pro-V 1s? I can see if the race was similar but it's ungraded and will be against no one. Unless there's a deal in place that makes Zenyatta a part of this. Last edit sorry.

RolloTomasi 07-01-2010 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664013)
I can see if I can hook you up with a seat if you dont think you can score your own...maybe even slip you into the backstretch were the horsey are.. You will be able to see them in there stalls..maybe even as they are being feed and watered..lol If you have never seen a horse up close it could be a great experience maybe you could become a hotwalker?

Let me guess, you've offered Monmouth your services in getting a rush job on some moth-eaten, surplus Fruit of the Loom factory reject undershirts screen printed with a Rachel Alexandra caricature in time for the race.

Cannon Shell 07-01-2010 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables (Post 664018)
Does this make it a lock she won't race at Saratoga? A bit of a slap in the face of NYRA after all this insane coverage of her arrival yesterday no?

Or are the connections publicly pointing to this one to try and coax Zenyatta east (no detention barn at MTH, I get it) and then back out and go in the Ruffian if Z does NOT come east.

EDIT: The friggin Lady's Secret is an ungraded stake? Is the money really that important to the connections?

Maybe if NYRA creates a race for her, runs it on a Tuesday so she gets top billing, puts up half a million, writes the conditions so that no one else good can show up, waives the detention barn requirement, gets Byk to give Jackson an hour segment (Larry King style questions only) and guarantees that Andy doesnt pick against her.

freddymo 07-01-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 664019)
Let me guess, you've offered Monmouth your services in getting a rush job on some moth-eaten, surplus Fruit of the Loom factory reject undershirts screen printed with a Rachel Alexandra caricature in time for the race.

it's a living.. My mom wanted me to be a Dr. until she realized my favoritemovie was drugstore cowboy

freddymo 07-01-2010 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 664020)
Maybe if NYRA creates a race for her, runs it on a Tuesday so she gets top billing, puts up half a million, writes the conditions so that no one else good can show up, waives the detention barn requirement, gets Byk to give Jackson an hour segment (Larry King style questions only) and guarantees that Andy doesnt pick against her.

NYRA dropped the ball PERIOD.. You ask the star for her must have list and you get the BS on it becuz it doesnt matter... NYRA thought the crystal and name would do well it didnt

Cannon Shell 07-01-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664022)
NYRA dropped the ball PERIOD.. You ask the star for her must have list and you get the BS on it becuz it doesnt matter... NYRA thought the crystal and name would do well it didnt

The bloom is off the rose anyway.

RolloTomasi 07-01-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664021)
it's a living.. My mom wanted me to be a Dr. until she realized my favoritemovie was drugstore cowboy

Nice try old man, nobody's buying it. I think Midnight Cowboy makes more sense for you.

Did you ever make it to Florida, Ratso?

herkhorse 07-01-2010 07:28 PM

You would think these two horses would have faced each other multiple times by now, but no, NOT ONCE, yet the BS goes on and on, ad nauseam, forever linked in fantasy cyberspace. I've lost interest, and I like both horses.

freddymo 07-01-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 664023)
The bloom is off the rose anyway.

Your 40k roses wuld love to come to see Rachel Bloom

XIIPointStables 07-01-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664022)
NYRA dropped the ball PERIOD.. You ask the star for her must have list and you get the BS on it becuz it doesnt matter... NYRA thought the crystal and name would do well it didnt

The hats, media coverage and Curlin Restaurant weren't enough????

And on the first Saturday of racing at the Spa.

I smell a firey edition of 'At the Races' tomorrow morning.

Danzig 07-01-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 663902)
Anyone have good excuses to get out of going to a wedding? :o


send regrets you can't attend and a gift.

cmorioles 07-01-2010 07:30 PM

It is hard to be firey at 7am.

blackthroatedwind 07-01-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664022)
NYRA dropped the ball PERIOD.. You ask the star for her must have list and you get the BS on it becuz it doesnt matter... NYRA thought the crystal and name would do well it didnt

This is an act....right? Nobody could possibly be this stupid.

freddymo 07-01-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables (Post 664027)
The hats, media coverage and Curlin Restaurant weren't enough????

And on the first Saturday of racing at the Spa.

I smell a firey edition of 'At the Races' tomorrow morning.

Byk while excellent is a NYRA schill... MP is horse racing this summer save the Carolina BBQ.. Shouldn't MP have the big East coast star while NYRA worrys about the purse structure for the 7500 claimers?>

Cannon Shell 07-01-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664026)
Your 40k roses wuld love to come to see Rachel Bloom

Thats the kind of competition that they are seeking.

Cannon Shell 07-01-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664031)
Byk while excellent is a NYRA schill... MP is horse racing this summer save the Carolina BBQ.. Shouldn't MP have the big East coast star while NYRA worrys about the purse structure for the 7500 claimers?>

Horseracing 2010 style

The "stars" agenda
Some 2nd tier race at FG
Some 2nd tier race at CD
Another 2nd tier race at CD
A batting practice fastball at Monmouth

ooohhhh! How "sporting" of Mr Jackson!!


But he didnt retire her!!!!!!

Ah yeah he kind of did, he retired her from races that matter...

10 pnt move up 07-01-2010 08:02 PM

I think this decision once again just shows that Monmouth is the place on the east coast where the real racing has taken place this summer.

Cannon Shell 07-01-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 664038)
I think this decision once again just shows that Monmouth is the place on the east coast where the real racing has taken place this summer.

Yeah the Lady's Secret will be a barnburner

NTamm1215 07-01-2010 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 664038)
I think this decision once again just shows that Monmouth is the place on the east coast where the real racing has taken place this summer.

Yeah, the stakes at Monmouth have been awesome.

They had the best handicap horse run at this meet..oh wait, that was Quality Road at Belmont. They did have Gone Astray.

They had the best turf horse run at this meet...oh wait, that was Gio Ponti at Belmont. At least they had Get Serious.

They had the best 3YO filly run at this meet...oh wait, that was Devil May Care at Belmont.

They've had great claimers and allowance races though!

I hope Jess' prize for running in this meaningless race is a tofu lunch in the Dining Terrace with Snookie and the Situation.

NT

freddymo 07-01-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 664030)
This is an act....right? Nobody could possibly be this stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does... Rachel is at MP why 150k? Let me guess NYRA got a bad chocolate? It's ridiculous racings biggest east coast draw is running at the shore because of neglect.. You want the best free agent in the business you have to cater to their needs which includes buying the entourage dinner at Nobu. Welcome to the big leagues..Kiss the golden goose even when it hurts..

Stupid is the handle at MP when Rachel comes visit.

freddymo 07-01-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 664042)
Yeah, the stakes at Monmouth have been awesome.

They had the best handicap horse run at this meet..oh wait, that was Quality Road at Belmont. They did have Gone Astray.

They had the best turf horse run at this meet...oh wait, that was Gio Ponti at Belmont. At least they had Get Serious.

They had the best 3YO filly run at this meet...oh wait, that was Devil May Care at Belmont.

They've had great claimers and allowance races though!

I hope Jess' prize for running in this meaningless race is a tofu lunch in the Dining Terrace with Snookie and the Situation.

NT

Yeah Quality Road is a real regular in NY

Yep Gio Pionti is all that especially when Interpatation beat him

Devil May Care, yep she is just terriffic did they rename the Go for Wand or Personnel Ensign yet Nick or are they waiting till she runs a fast race?

You are right MP has had a terriffic RESULT

Tell me you wouldnt hook up with Snookie?

johnny pinwheel 07-01-2010 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 663934)
I think you're a bit confused. RA has already lost and lost pretty badly this year. Jackson pretty much had no choice but to duck Z in the AB and might just be aware that his horse of the year caught a speed favoring track last out. You must be just about the only one out who needs to emphasize the belief that RA is not going in the Classic.

As for Z, as long as she shows up for the Classic, her connections have nothing to answer for. Let's face it, the intent is to go after the Horse of the Year award. How exactly does she get this by beating Rail Trip? Exactly.

this post makes perfect sense unlike so many others including the start. why should zenyatta come back east? so the other horse can chicken sh^t out again? people here are not even in reality. zenyatta barring injury will most likely start in the classic. at this point rachel has a prayer of even making it to the cup, let alone the classic. the horses that beat rachel are feed for zenyatta, especially at 10 furlongs. its going to be funny this fall when zenyattas starting in the classic and rachel is running friday on "ladies day". i hope she runs well at monmouth and comes back to saratoga where she will get beat again. the way they are "cherry picking" races...you know they are worried. they'll take the "bait" money at monmouth but for 5 million they wanted no part of zenyatta.....not that zenyatta can't lose, it just won't ever be to rachel. they've pratically admitted it with the recent events and schedule. when rachel shows up breeders cup day and runs in the classic And beats the other horse....i'll eat my hat.

Duvalier 07-01-2010 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 664042)
Yeah, the stakes at Monmouth have been awesome.

They had the best handicap horse run at this meet..oh wait, that was Quality Road at Belmont. They did have Gone Astray.

They had the best turf horse run at this meet...oh wait, that was Gio Ponti at Belmont. At least they had Get Serious.

They had the best 3YO filly run at this meet...oh wait, that was Devil May Care at Belmont.

They've had great claimers and allowance races though!

I hope Jess' prize for running in this meaningless race is a tofu lunch in the Dining Terrace with Snookie and the Situation.

NT

Are you trying to say the racing at Belmont overall this meet has been top notch?

NTamm1215 07-01-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 664050)
Are you trying to say the racing at Belmont overall this meet has been top notch?

The stakes racing at Belmont and Monmouth aren't even on the same planet. Has the day-to-day racing been top notch? Not even close but it is worth noting that the number of allowance races tomorrow at Belmont outnumbers Monmouth 3-1.

NT

NTamm1215 07-01-2010 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664047)
Yeah Quality Road is a real regular in NY

Yep Gio Pionti is all that especially when Interpatation beat him

Devil May Care, yep she is just terriffic did they rename the Go for Wand or Personnel Ensign yet Nick or are they waiting till she runs a fast race?

You are right MP has had a terriffic RESULT

Tell me you wouldnt hook up with Snookie?

So because Quality Road is only running three races in NY this year after three last year he's not a regular?

Come on, Freddy, you're trying to make it sound like Jess got some great offer from Monmouth and the racing office in NY basically told him, fine, go ahead. Do you really think Campo or anyone else wants to see Rachel ship to Monmouth for some dumb listed stake when they're going to house her for a whole meet? For s.hit sake, is this about 150k? The guy has enough money to feed the entire backside in NY and NJ for the next millennium.

What more does NYRA have to do for the guy? They kissed his ass all year last year when he ran her twice. They renamed a restaurant at the track for his supposed superhorse and created a stake so he can hand out the trophy. I hope, like Parsixfarms said, he's told to take Kensei and the rest of Assman's band of superstars in NY down to Monmouth with Rachel and stay there. Dr. W could probably mop up those 80k N1X races and Hoppsey will be 2/5 in the Oceanport on Haskell day.

P.S. I wouldn't get with Snookie with your thing.

NT

Duvalier 07-01-2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 664051)
The stakes racing at Belmont and Monmouth aren't even on the same planet. Has the day-to-day racing been top notch? Not even close but it is worth noting that the number of allowance races tomorrow at Belmont outnumbers Monmouth 3-1.

NT

To be fair...how about comparing Saturday's and Sunday's cards.


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