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She earned a 105 Beyer speed figure for her Vagrancy win...solid...and that is with Eoin Harty training her!!!...(not a huge fan of that guy as a trainer, wish Bin Suroor or Albertarni had her)...doubt they seriously consider running her against the boys in the BC Sprint, but she is pretty fast..
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I guess Dave Grenig and the DRF is finally coming around.....
http://www.drf.com/news/article/75431.html ..recognize this story from anywhere? |
Joel, you were way ahead. Good job!
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dont know if many know, but godolphin also have UTOPIA who they bought after he won godolphin mile on dubai wc day with a US dirt campaign ahead
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Nice write up, but just a couple of points.....
Henny is no longer with Godolphin. Someone said Discreet Cat didn't beat much in the UAE Derby? No, perhaps that was true in the Areej (I mean Sand Cat? O-kaaaay), but remember Invasor, Flamme de passion and Simpatico Bribon were all beaten. I don't know about anyone here but I'm thrilled with Invasor and can't wait to see this triple crown winner in the Suburban. Electrocutionist isn't with Darley, he's with Godolphin. Bad to mix the two up..... Frankie has been working Iffraaj and he's looking like a monster so look for him next week at Ascot. Afrashad..... now there's one to watch. * * * * * The Godolphin runners, by age..... ( long, sorry)... Eight-Year-Olds With Reason (USA) Ch G Nashwan Just Cause Seven-Year-Olds Sights on Gold (IRE) Ch H Indian Ridge Summer Trysting Naheef (IRE) Bay G Marju Golden Digger Six-Year-Olds Etesaal (USA) Dkb/br H Danzig Electric Society Desert Destiny (GB) Bay G Desert Prince High Savannah Lateen Sails (GB) Ch G Elmaamul Felucca Roskilde (IRE) Bay G Danehill Melisendra Five-Year-Olds Andean (GB) Bay G Singspiel Anna Matrushka Bull Run (IRE) Gr G Daylami Bulaxie Bygone Days (GB) Ch G Desert King May Light Into The Dark (GB) Ch G Rainbow Quest Land Of Dreams Brunel (IRE) B H Marju Castlerahan Byron (GB) Bay H Green Desert Gay Gallanta Caradak (IRE) Bay H Desert Style Caraiyma Cherry Mix (FR) Gr H Linamix Cherry Moon Electrocutionist (USA) Bay H Red Ransom Elbaaha Golden Sahara (IRE) Bay H Green Desert Golden Digger Heart Alone (BRZ) B H Music Prospector Sylicon Purple Iffraaj (GB) Bay H Zafonic Pastorale Imperial Stride (GB) Bay H Indian Ridge Place De L'opera Rosencrans (USA) Bay H Forest Wildcat General's Mistress Sabbeeh (USA) Bay H Red Ransom Capistrano Day Guadalajara (GER) Ch M Acatenango Guernica Four-Year-Olds Afrashad (USA) Ch C Smoke Glacken Flo White Ballinteni (GB) Bay C Machiavellian Silabteni Belenus (IRE) Ch C Dubai Millennium Ajhiba Berenson (IRE) Bay C Entrepreneur On Air Centaurus (GB) Gr C Daylami Dandanna Council Member (USA) Bay C Seattle Slew Zoe Montana Crimson Sun (USA) Bay C Danzig Crimplene Descartes (GB) Bay C Dubai Millennium Gold's Dance Desert Chief (GB) Bay C Green Desert Oriental Fashion Earl's Court (GB) Bay C King's Best Reine Wells Echo Of Light (GB) Bay C Dubai Millennium Spirit Of Tara Esquire (GB) Bay C Dubai Millennium Esperada Goodricke (GB) Bay C Bahamian Bounty Star Great Britain (GB) Bay C Green Desert Park Appeal Layman (USA) Ch C Sunday Silence Laiyl Librettist (USA) Bay C Danzig Mysterial Mathematician (IRE) Br C Machiavellian Zibilene Northern Splendour (USA) Ch C Giant's Causeway Ribbonwood Perfectperformance (USA) Ch C Rahy Balistroika Pinson (IRE) Gr C Halling Tadorne Proclamation (IRE) Gr C King's Best Shamarra Rock Music (GB) Ch C Singspiel Stack Rock Safsoof (USA) Bay C Gilded Time Halcyon Bird Satchem (IRE) Br C Inchinor Mohican Princess Stetchworth Prince (GB) Bay C Cadeaux Genereux Elfin Laughter Subpoena (GB) Bay C Diktat Trefoil The Geezer (GB) Ch C Halling Polygueza Where With All (IRE) Bay C Montjeu Zelding Windsor Knot (IRE) Ch C Pivotal Triple Tie Antique (IRE) Ch F Dubai Millennium Truly Generous Astronomia (NZ) Ch F King's Best Astralita Gonbarda (GER) Bay F Lando Gonfalon Lake Toya (USA) Bay F Darshaan Shinko Hermes Oiseau Rare (FR) Ch F King's Best Oiseau De Feu Pictavia (IRE) Ch F Sinndar Insijaam Portrayal (USA) Bay F Saint Ballado True Glory Shawanda (IRE) Bay F Sinndar Shamawna Vista Bella (GB) Bay F Diktat Cox Orange Ashkal Way (IRE) Ch G Ashkalani Golden Way Craft Fair (IRE) Bay G Danehill Brush Strokes Jalldee (FR) Bay G Green Desert Princess Haifa Kerashan (IRE) B G Sinndar Kerataka Real Quality (USA) B G Elusive Quality Pleasant Prize Scriptwriter (IRE) Bay G Sadler's Wells Dayanata Sunday Symphony (GB) Br G Sunday Silence Darrery Zabeel Palace (GB) B G Grand Lodge Applecross Three-Year-Olds Achill Bay (IRE) Bay C Peintre Celebre Albacora Always Emirates (USA) Bay C Danzig Country Belle Ashaawes (USA) Bay C Kingmambo Crown Of Crimson Austrian (UAE) Ch C Jade Robbery Anne D'autriche Blue Ksar (FR) Bay C Anabaa Delicieuse Lady Blue Mirage (IRE) Bay C King's Best Catch The Blues Bold and Free (USA) Ch C Giant's Causeway Sweeping Story Bold Crusader (GB) Bay C Cape Cross Tee Cee Capricorn Run (USA) Dkb/br C Elusive Quality Cercida Count Trevisio (IRE) Bay C Danehill Stylish Dawn Quest (USA) Bay C Dynaformer Sun And Shade Dickensian (IRE) Br C Xaar Cappella Discreet Cat (USA) Bay C Forestry Pretty Discreet Economic (IRE) Bay C Danehill Dancer Warusha Emirates Skyline (USA) Bay C Sunday Silence The Caretaker Emirates To Dubai (USA) Ch C Storm Cat Morn Of Song Extreme Measures (GB) Bay C Montjeu Fade Faith And Reason (USA) Bay C Sunday Silence Sheer Reason Familiar Territory (GB) Br C Cape Cross Forever Fine Gulf Of Gold (USA) Dkb/br C Seeking The Gold Borodislew Hawks Home (USA) Bay C Distant View Altamura Highland Blaze (USA) Ch C Unbridled's Song Green Lady Highlander (GB) Ch C Elusive Quality Highland Ceilidh Jeu de Mot (IRE) Bay C Montjeu Nwaahil Kilworth (IRE) Gr C Kalanisi Perugia Leo (GB) Ch C Pivotal Miss Penton Maraagel (USA) Bay C Danzig Hasnaael Reef Melodic Score (USA) Bay C Kingmambo Ring Of Music Narvik (IRE) Ch C Galileo Arctic Hunt Natural Force (IRE) Bay C King's Best Wolf Cleugh Noble Gent (IRE) Bay C Danehill Blanche Dubois Opera Cape (GB) Bay C Barathea Optaria Palace Episode (USA) Dkb C Machiavellian Palace Weekend Pawtucket (IRE) Bay C Cape Cross Manchaca Power Politics (USA) Bay C Seeking The Gold Stormy Pick Priors Hill (IRE) Bay C Danehill Lailati Rampallion (GB) Bay C Daylami Minute Waltz Rondo (USA) Dkb C Grand Slam Dama Ruler's Gold (USA) Bay C Rahy Crystal Crossing Scandal Keeper (USA) Dkb/br C Danzig Canny Miss Seabow (USA) Bay C Rainbow Quest Dream Bay Shariki (USA) Dkb/br C Spectrum Zahrat Dubai Sharpsburg (USA) Bay C Giant's Causeway Sofitina Stepping Up (IRE) Ch C Soviet Star Rise And Fall Testimony (USA) Bay C Yes It's True Kit Kat Kitty Thought Leader (USA) Ch C Saint Ballado Classy Mirage True Cause (USA) Ch C Storm Cat Dearly Tufton (GB) Bay C King's Best Mythical Magic Winged Cupid (IRE) Bay C In The Wings Sweet Emotion With Interest (GB) Bay C Selkirk With Fascination Abhisheka (IRE) Bay F Sadler's Wells Snow Bride Act Friendly (IRE) Bay F Sadler's Wells Ozone Friendly Deveron (USA) Dkb F Cozzene Cruisie Dubai On (GB) Bay F Daylami Cambara Emily Bronte (GB) Gr F Machiavellian Zafadola Felicitous (GB) Bay F King's Best Embassy Fibou (USA) Ch F Seeking The Gold Lilium Platinum Princess (GB) Br F Diktat Nachtigall Pure Illusion (IRE) Bay F Danehill Saintly Speech Reunite (IRE) Ch F Kingmambo Allez Les Trois Royal Proposal (GB) Bay F King's Best Mrs Ting Saffwah (IRE) Bay F King's Best Saafeya Silca's Sister (GB) Ch F Inchinor Silca-cisa Taranto (GB) Bay F Machiavellian Magna Graecia Shelhom (GB) Bay G Green Desert Felawnah |
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As for the Darley/Godolphin difference, there really isn't a difference at all ither tahn entity...you clearly missed the whole point here...technically, I could include Shadwell and the rest of the family here with my setiments.... ..the bottomline is that the Oil money is the best money in this game, and for a while I thought it would forge them into dominance - but the reason it did not for sooooo long was because of the defficiencies in their operation... ...Now though, you can clearly see them making more sounder decisions and it is leading to better racing results....the only thing I really disagree with them in terms of their operation is that they are still sending Eoin Harty horses....I think Harty is a horrible horsemen..... ..Coolmore has done more with less ovre the past decade due to the simple fact that they are smarter horsemen and run a far better all-aropund operation....Coolmore doesn't have NEAR the cash to play with the Sheiks when it comes down to it, but they have the top horse evaluator that I've ever seen in Demi O'Byrne ad guys like Pletcher, O'Brien, Biancone, etc. training their horses and those horsemen are far more talented than Ferguson, Bin Suroor, Harty ad guys like that ever thought they could be... ...If Darley hired Buzz Chace and fired Ferguson and hired Baffert, Mandella, Asmussen, etc. and fired Bin Suroor, Harty and crew - Godolphin would probably dominate American racing - and would have probably had a FAR better chance of winning the Derby by now... |
as far as im concerned the only difference between godolphin and darley in my eyes is the color of sillks, and that mostly of their 2 yr olds based in the US, and 3 yr olds pre TC races run under the Darley. Then usually the cream of that crop get to wear the blue, and possibly sent back to Al Quoz for further evaluation of their campaigns.
Im the expert on all things Godolphin, Darley, Shadwell, Gainsborough, Hamdan related topics |
Joel, in reference to the trainer situation. They keep bin Suroor as sort of a figurehead to run their operation, while in fact in most cases Mohammed is the one calling the shots during training, Baffert has even said in one instance that it would be difficult working with the Sheik even if they are friends. David Loder in England has spoken about this the Sheik's give him more rein I should say then they do bin Suroor
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Seattle if you are the expert how did you blow Jazil's talent level so badly?
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oracle--I like the horse but not enough to fully back and support, I just said he wouldnt win the derby, The Belmont just happened to be his day, maybe now he can mature into a better horse.
In that race I liked Bob and John, Sunriver,Steppenwolfer,Jazil, Bluegrass Cat in that order |
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yeah my miss I know that, I remember a few years ago one of my horses in the contest became Darley..grrr i forgot to play this year, how are you doing in it my miss? |
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Ashaawes and Jeu do Mot will give me points eventually. Maybe. Hope so. |
I think that Bill Gates should get into horse racing. We need another owner with DEEP pockets. Plus he is here in the US so that makes it even better.
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Are there still any non-believers out there? :)
Bernardini is a beast.....might prove to be one of the best horses since Spectacular Bid...he certainly has the ability |
darley is a great operation. their horses are managed conservatively and well. they buy buy buy. they have my respect and admiration.
i still like to see all the big operations get beat however :) |
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I have no desire to make predictions for his future because I just want to enjoy Bernardini now. I don't claim he's going to win the remainder of his races this year, or that he's going to be HOY or anything like that - that's a lot of "what ifs". Right now, I'm just thrilled. I do believe that the Sheikhs will run him next year....there's some speculation that he would run under the Godolphin colors and possibly race in Europe. Boy, I hope not; it won't happen, but I'd prefer that he stay with Tom. |
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As a matter of fact, the main thing I would love to see from him is to see how he would react if another horse challenged him in the stretch - but he has never been challenged in the stretch to date... I would bet anyone that he is a fighter....You can just tell his class by watching his manuerisms....I love this freaking horse :D As for running him in Europe, I WOULD BE PISSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is NOT a turf horse and running him on the grass in Europe would be the biggest mistake that opperation could ever make.....I can't really see that happening.. However, if he wins the BC Classic or runs well in that race - I believe that it is pretty safe to say that they will freshen him and run him as a 4YO in the Dubai World Cup......Hell, its all those guys really care about anymore...winning their own super race... |
Ironhorse, the Sheikhs have run Dubai Millenium and Street Cry as four year olds, so why wouldn't they want more fun with Bernardini? Heaven knows they don't need the immediate cash flow that comes from retiring a horse to stud..
Joel, it would piss me off if they sent him to Europe for a couple of reasons. First, he's bred for dirt mostly (although Indy has had some good turf runners) and second, this is what Darley has waited for for years - an American classic winner. They wanted success in the US and they have it; I imagine they are very proud of their horses. Why wouldn't they want Bernardini to (hopefully) clean up some of the most important stakes in the US? Also, I don't see why it's so important for Bernardini to prove himself over turf - if he becomes great on dirt, that's sufficient for me. I hope it's the same for the Sheikhs. I think he would be a fighter, too, but we may not find out until he faces older horses. I've heard criticism of Bernardini because he's winning so easily......wow, that makes no sense. A really good horse will often win easily-why knock a horse for being talented? I have to admit that I favor all AP Indys; I'm biased, I admit it. That being said, this colt is so darn gorgeous and charismatic; I noticed in the Withers that he floats over the track. What a stride. I'm just going to enjoy him for right now; no sense worrying about the future. He apparently came out of the Jim Dandy in good shape, which is the most important thing |
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Here Oracle...I thought you'd want to read this agin to refresh tour memory since you claim that i just love these guys and have an agenda.....i called this in May and it is now happening and i am reporting it coming to fruition as it does....
BTW, what was going through your head when Bernardini urinated on your horse at the top of the stretch? :D ...that was unfair....it was like Mohammed Ali fighting Oscar De la Hoya....just two horses in two different classes... |
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