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NTamm1215 06-29-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662974)
No I compared the circumstances, but incase someone thought I did, thank you for allowing me to clear that up.

I'm glad you cleared it up but I have no idea what the similarities are between the two. Seriously, think about what Quality Road has done in his career and think about what Dollar Bill did and see if you want to maintain the comparison.

NT

CSC 06-29-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662971)
I love Z, I think she is a lot better then Rachel this year and would have won every single race Rachel won last year, but I think QR is a different breed, a different type of monster.

On his best day he can be, he seems to have his favorite spots to race, I'm not sure if CD will be one of them.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662983)
On his best day he can be, he seems to have his favorite spots to race, I'm not sure if CD will be one of them.

Favorite spots to race? Dude you are throwing **** out with no back up, your just making things up.


Aqueduct his favorite spot? Triple digit beyer first out....

Gulfstream? 4 giant races.....

Belmont? Giant run going 10f in a Grade 1 against a champion

Saratoga? Off a layoff and injury, he runs gigantic to turn back CCMC who comes right back to cross the line first in the Kings Bishop

So what one is his favorite?

CSC 06-29-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 662981)
I'm glad you cleared it up but I have no idea what the similarities are between the two. Seriously, think about what Quality Road has done in his career and think about what Dollar Bill did and see if you want to maintain the comparison.

NT

It was self explanatory, it wasn't so much about comparing their race records but more to to about the way they were perceived. Hard Rock Ten thinks QR will be as effective at 1 1/4 as he was at 1 to 1 1/8. I'm not as sure based on what I have seen thus far, add on the low odds he always seems to attract, makes him hard to bet as a win candidate if one wants to look at the wagering angle down the line.

CSC 06-29-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662986)
Favorite spots to race? Dude you are throwing **** out with no back up, your just making things up.


Aqueduct his favorite spot? Triple digit beyer first out....

Gulfstream? 4 giant races.....

Belmont? Giant run going 10f in a Grade 1 against a champion

Saratoga? Off a layoff and injury, he runs gigantic to turn back CCMC who comes right back to cross the line first in the Kings Bishop

So what one is his favorite?

He runs big at Gulfstram and Belmont especially, and I am pretty sure the Kings Bishop was run over a very fast track that day, but I think you knew that.

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662990)
It was self explanatory, it wasn't so much about comparing their race records but more to to about the way they were perceived. Hard Rock Ten thinks QR will be as effective at 1 1/4 as he was at 1 to 1 1/8. I'm not as sure based on what I have seen thus far, add on the low odds he always seems to attract, makes him hard to bet as a win candidate if one wants to look at the wagering angle down the line.

So you make an asinine comment comparing the obvious fanfare of a multiple GI winner to that of a hopeless plodder then back-pedal on your original assertion by no longer saying that QR can't win at 10fs but that you wouldn't bet on him?

NT

CSC 06-29-2010 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 662992)
So you make an asinine comment comparing the obvious fanfare of a multiple GI winner to that of a hopeless plodder then back-pedal on your original assertion by no longer saying that QR can't win at 10fs but that you wouldn't bet on him?

NT

Yes.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662993)
Yes.

Your out of control.

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662993)
Yes.

This :wf:wf would have just worked better.

NT

CSC 06-29-2010 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662994)
Your out of control.

About the Kings Bishop being run over a track yielding fast times or questioning if a board favorite will excel at 1 1/4? It's just outrageous isn't it?

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 662997)
About the Kings Bishop being run over a track yielding fast times or questioning if a board favorite will excel at 1 1/4? It's just outrageous isn't it?

What the **** does the KB have to do with it, my point was that QR beat a horse who came right back 3 weeks later to run a winning race in a G1, why are you bringing it up as if QR ran in it?

CSC 06-29-2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 662996)
This :wf:wf would have just worked better.

NT

By the way I only agreed that the Dollar Bill analogy in it's context, as to some continuing to believe and I stress "continuing " since this is the common thread of Dollar Bill supporters was accurate as much as you tried to obfuscate the comparing of the 2. Nice try...but not quite. :wf

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 663001)
By the way I only agreed that the Dollar Bill analogy in it's context, as to some continuing to believe and I stress "continuing " since this is the common thread of Dollar Bill supporters was accurate as much as you tried to obfuscate the comparing of the 2. Nice try...but not quite. :wf

So now you're ready to admit you've been talking out of your ass with that idiotic comparison?

NT

Cannon Shell 06-29-2010 02:04 PM

What does this all have to do with some idiot running a horse off of a 7 year layoff?

my miss storm cat 06-29-2010 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 663005)
What does this all have to do with some idiot running a horse off of a 7 year layoff?

:tro:

CSC 06-29-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 663004)
So now you're ready to admit you've been talking out of your ass with that idiotic comparison?

NT

LOL what is this azz fetish of yours, your the one making azz comments. I explained it 2-3 times already. I don't know if I can make it clearer for you.

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 663008)
:tro:

You're right, but its not my fault.;)

NT

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 663009)
LOL what is this azz fetish of yours, your the one making azz comments. I explained it 2-3 times already. I don't know if I can make it clearer for you.

You explain nothing, you say so much but your really saying nothing... Its a bunch of BS, blah blah.... You ignore facts and say whatever fits your agenda.

CSC 06-29-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 663005)
What does this all have to do with some idiot running a horse off of a 7 year layoff?

Nothing, but if one questions if a horse(a board favorite) if they can get a distance, it becomes an interesting half hour of mud slinging of particular body parts. :D

Duvalier 06-29-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 663005)
What does this all have to do with some idiot running a horse off of a 7 year layoff?

Thanks Chuck

CSC 06-29-2010 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 663012)
You explain nothing, you say so much but your really saying nothing... Its a bunch of BS, blah blah.... You ignore facts and say whatever fits your agenda.

Ok let's agree then to see who is correct when the time arrises. Just be here either way.

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 663013)
Nothing, but if one questions if a horse(a board favorite) can get a distance, it becomes an interesting half hour of mud slinging of particular body parts. :D

If you and your caddy from CA could have left the thread alone it would have been fine. Instead you're wondering why anyone would call you an ass.

NT

CSC 06-29-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 663018)
If you and your caddy from CA could have left the thread alone it would have been fine. Instead you're wondering why anyone would call you an ass.

NT

What the f are you getting so upset about, surely you are not this insecure from a poster questioning if a certain horse will be as effective at 1 to 1 1/8 to the 1 1/4?

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 663016)
Ok let's agree then to see who is correct when the time arrises. Just be here either way.

The time should be next month, when QR will be facing the best of the best. Where will Z be?

RolloTomasi 06-29-2010 02:16 PM

Has there ever been talk from the Jockey Club about amending a mare's registry papers once she's dropped a recognized foal so that she can't be entered to race any longer?

OldDog 06-29-2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 663005)
What does this all have to do with some idiot running a horse off of a 7 year layoff?

:tro:

"UPDATE: Shortly after publication of the article, an official with the Pennsylvania State Horse Racing Commission told the Paulick Report that Violet Eyed Diva will be scratched. She will be prohibited from racing in Pennsylvania until stewards are satisfied with her racing fitness."

CSC 06-29-2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 663020)
The time should be next month, when QR will be facing the best of the best. Where will Z be?

I was thinking more about the Classic. Be here, I will.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 663023)
I was thinking more about the Classic. Be here, I will.

Dude the Classic is not all that matters, the Whitney is the big Summer race, where will Z be?

my miss storm cat 06-29-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 663022)
:tro:

"UPDATE: Shortly after publication of the . . . article, an official with the Pennsylvania State Horse Racing Commission told the Paulick Report that Violet Eyed Diva will be scratched. She will be prohibited from racing in Pennsylvania until stewards are satisfied with her racing fitness."

Thanks for the update.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 663023)
I was thinking more about the Classic. Be here, I will.

As long as Steve does not dart me, I will be here.

CSC 06-29-2010 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 663024)
Dude the Classic is not all that matters, the Whitney is the big Summer race, where will Z be?

Dude, the way races are filling this year, I am sure you would want QR to be judged against Bullsbay or someone of this ilk. Let's not stack the deck too much on your side...The Classic, be here.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 663027)
Dude, the way races are filling this year, I am sure you would want QR to be judged against Bullsbay or someone of this ilk. Let's not stack the deck too much on your side...The Classic, be here.

LOL......OMG

Cannon Shell 06-29-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 663013)
Nothing, but if one questions if a horse(a board favorite) if they can get a distance, it becomes an interesting half hour of mud slinging of particular body parts. :D

Do you think that John Nerud was worried that 1 1/4 wasn't Dr Fager's best distance when he picked up those 4 eclipse awards that year?

Cannon Shell 06-29-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 663021)
Has there ever been talk from the Jockey Club about amending a mare's registry papers once she's dropped a recognized foal so that she can't be entered to race any longer?

The Vatican is more open to new ideas than the JC

OldDog 06-29-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 663025)
Thanks for the update.

Happy to have been able to provide it.

When I read your original post this AM, it really bothered me. I know nothing of the owner/trainer, but at least on the surface it all seemed rather . . . unseemly.

Checking back on the board a short while ago I was stunned to see 3 pages, and thought to myself, WoW! This story sure has gotten a lot of attention! I have to see what everyone was able to find out about it. But instead . . . :rolleyes:

Hopefully the newfound attention on Andrew Davidovich and Violet Eyed Diva will pay off for her.

Cannon Shell 06-29-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 663022)
:tro:

"UPDATE: Shortly after publication of the article, an official with the Pennsylvania State Horse Racing Commission told the Paulick Report that Violet Eyed Diva will be scratched. She will be prohibited from racing in Pennsylvania until stewards are satisfied with her racing fitness."

I still dont understand why the tracks take entries on horses like this? It is not in their best interests to let a horse off a 7 year layoff compete and age discrimination isn't a valid argument in animals.

RolloTomasi 06-29-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 663024)
Dude the Classic is not all that matters, the Whitney is the big Summer race, where will Z be?

Just to tie this discussion back to the original thread topic:

At the pace Team Zenyatta gets things done with their big mare, I think its much more realistic at this time to anticipate Zenyatta lining up against 15yo broodmare Kobla, before worrying about any race against her son, Quality Road.

CSC 06-29-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 663030)
Do you think that John Nerud was worried that 1 1/4 wasn't Dr Fager's best distance when he picked up those 4 eclipse awards that year?

No, I don't know, but what does this have to do with anything I said in this thread?

CSC 06-29-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 663029)
LOL......OMG

Well you are the one that said QR would kill Zenyatta on dirt. You just didn't specify which race, since they seem to be on a collision course at CD, this would seem to be the place where we find out if this is indeed true.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 663040)
Well you are the one that said QR would kill Zenyatta on dirt. You just didn't specify which race, since they seem to be on a collision course at CD, this would seem to be the place where we find out if this is indeed true.

He would beat her on dirt in any race, at any distance up to 10f, and at any track....


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