These same people didn't have a problem with Bin Laden when he was killing Americans. Quite to the contrary. Bin Laden's popularity in the Muslim world was at its height shortly after 9/11.

If Bin Laden didn't kill so many Muslims and he just concentrated on killing Americans, Christians, Jews, and Hindus, he would probably be more popular than ever in the Muslim world.

well i can see the gulf from my back yard. bp has hired every fishing boat in the area to work the boom lines.they have set up community claims centers all over the gulf from new orleans to key west. there were 30 clean up crews on the beach 1 day before the first blob of oil hit. they have stated they will pay claims for any loss of income..ie canceled bookings for rental homes ect.
it was an unfortunate mistake made on the platform. the high menthane pressure was not dealt with correctly. as i am sure you will come back on here and tell me diffrent. ill let it go.

also many oil rigs were damaged durring hurricane ivan and katrina..not
1 has had a problem like this .they have been fixed as much as possible.
think about this riot..how much do you think it costs too build one of these rigs.? and you really think they dont care?..the us coast gaurd , the epa,
osha, has had standerds for years that have made this kind of accident
a non issue. you dont know **** about what your saying. and i heard somthing
last night you will like ...this could have been stopped in 6 days by Halliburton
and obamas people wouldent even concider it. point your mouth twards your
boy obama..hes the one who does not care....this info came from the military......

Have you heard anything about the 33 deep-water rigs that are shut down?

I have.

Seems like Soros the Hedge Fund Hog is looking to move a few of them down south.

It must be nice to have employees in high places. :D

If BP cared (about the gulf), they wouldn't have spent, and currently are spending, so much time and effort and money fighting to have safety requirements waived or removed. BP wouldn't have disregarded the safe methods, supervisors having a fight over disregarding it, the night the rig blew and killed those men.

BP is a corporation. I expect them to think of their owners first. That is their responsibility. Our government through MM was responsible for not allowing our interests - as the owners of the property - to be disregarded. For not allowing BP to literally write their own safety inspections.

Let's see what comes out regarding the now famous meeting 100 days into oil man Bush's White House. Where Cheney met in secret with the oil companies. No minutes, no records. The whistleblowers are gonna fall from the skies.

But..but..you aren't allowed to bring up Bush in this forum.

The response to the spill is clearly Dubya's fault. If he wouldn't have f.ucked up for 8 years then we wouldn't have the community organizer in charge looking to kick some ass and file criminal charges before the spill is stopped.

Really it was more of a Cheney reference ... :rolleyes:

I believe you maybe on to something here just the wrong suspect. Locally we are hearing the condo Rahm stayed in rent-free in DC for five years is owned by a guy (Greenburg) who along with James Carvell and another guy run a consulting/promo business (GCS I think) with BP as a customer. In fact these guy's came up with the whole "Greener, friendlier BP" with all the green logos etc. I don't see any crime in any of this yet but it does have that Chicago stink I'm so familiar with.

sure you can..why exactly does this include him..

its a knee jerk reaction any time obama looks like a fool.blame bush/ch..
we wanted 'change' but not at the expense of the gulf of mexico..if true that
obama wouldent concider using kbr when in fact they were able to stop
the leak alot sooner thats just wrong.ive checked around and they do this [cap wells] also typical is the rush to blame the oil company for lax safety.
it was an industrial accident.obama dropped the ball on his toe..

your second award is on the way ..fine work..

I'll stick with BP being careless, incompetent in the face of disaster, and deliberately sacrificing safety for profit.

You stick with calling this an "industrial accident", and that it's wrong to, "blame the oil company for lax safety".

We'll see.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html


Maybe this is who we should blame, our corrupt politicians and the lobbyists they employ really they should be very ashamed of themselves but of course they arent.

Give BP credit. Like Carter and Obama with the mideast, they understand the complexity of the problem and in your mind isn't that what counts? :zz:

The quoted article, above, is dated May 5th.

Another point of view:
Media Matters EXCLUSIVE: Debunking the myth of Obama's "BP cash"
May 24, 2010 2:47 pm ET by Julie Millican & Eric Schroeck
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005240042

Who do you think gives the employees the money to donate ?????? You cannot be that blind read the rest of the article they pay commitees and spend millions on lobbying . Do you really believe that BP has no influence on how the regulatory commissions do buisness when they or their employess give them so much money. Get a clue .

:zz: No. You haven't noticed I've already posted about BP being in bed with MM, I guess.

You know its not even about Dems or Rep its all of them , its sickening to see the amount of "legal" corruption our government allows. If I were President the first thing I would do is outlaw campaign contributions by anyone. If you cant do it on your own then tough crap .

Shocking expose in Rolling Stone, how MMS became completely corrupt under Bush, Salazar failed to change a thing under Obama, and BP disregards safety, period. Eight pages - takes a while, but all are a good read. Unfortunately, very, very ugly.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...RS_show_page=0

burp.. obama s in town to roll up his shirt and 'get around this thing'...lol
photo op..4 trips too the gulf coast..advance party ,airforce one, cost the taxpayers about 75 mill..nice

Good point - let's talk about Presidential travel expenses: Bush II spent 1/3 of his presidency on vacation: chilling back at his ranch in Texas or hanging out at Camp David. Traveled there via Airforce One, presidential helicopters, advance party, Secret Service. Talk about $$$$$$$$$$ to taxpayers.

The gulf is now a longstanding, forever environment disaster caused by gross private corporate negligence that will have decades of negative impact on the lives of millions of Americans (and Brits who have seen their pensions tank), and isn't under one bit of real control yet.

Today BP warned of extreme employee safety hazard (threat of explosion, loss of life) and massive topspill hazards regarding the methodology of ships gathering oil directly off the well cap pipeline. So extreme they want to have the employees abandon the ships.

I have no problem with the president going to Louisiana.

b-b-b-but Bush

I've read some articles on dangerous gasses coming from the blown well.. VOC's or something like that. the articles said the VOC's could be toxic to people living in Gulf states (like me!!). Any truth to this? And if there is truth why arent the major networks talking about it?

Yes, there is truth to it, if one is exposed to the fumes. I hope you can't smell anything where you live?

BP appears to be covering up all it can regarding media, and most of the media is light and fluffy - hardly investigative or smart - nowadays anyway.

Riki Ott is a marine biologist who was involved in Exxon Valdez and the years of after-affects. She's been more and more vocally active in the press talking about citizens near the beach, and cleanup workers, developing respiratory symptoms and other problems from the fumes. Apparently Tulane U. sent a medical team down there this week, to start investigating it.

Edit: here, found this, dated May 1: http://blogs.reuters.com/environment...-valdez-spill/

Here's some more, plus a news video about VOC's:

http://spotlight.vitals.com/2010/06/...-bp-oil-spill/

I'm 40 miles inland from the Gulf.. and dont smell anything but Nasty Florida Humidity & Heat..

But I'm sure the problems are more in LA and MS right now... I do worry about fumes in the near future. I wish the EPA would shed some light on it...

Luckily this woman wrote at the end of her blog "In Alaska, the killing did not stop in 1989. Twenty-one years later, buried oil is still contaminating wildlife and Prince William Sound has not returned to pre-spill conditions – nor, honestly, will it. The remnant population of once-plentiful herring no longer supports commercial fisheries and barely sustains the ecosystem."


I was surprised to see this as a neighbor had one of his best fishing trips ever to Prince William Sound 2 years ago. This man lives fishing and bragged of the many species caught in a single trip both inland and in the sound. I looked up a Prince William Sound fishing report and was quite happy to find what I did…..

Report dated 6/8/10 put out by Alaskan Fish and Game


Salmon
• Sockeye fishing in the Eyak River ramped up this last week with many anglers catching their limits in an afternoon of fishing. Fish are dispersed throughout the river with boat anglers doing well downstream and shoreline anglers catching fish at the weir.
Salt waters
Halibut, Pacific Cod and Rockfish
• Small to medium-sized halibut are being caught consistently throughout the Sound. Locations such as Knowles Head, Knight Island, and areas around Port Wells have all been productive.
• Halibut anglers fishing Hinchinbrook Entrance and Middle Ground Shoal continue to have good luck halibut fishing with some larger fish (100 + lbs.) reported last week.
• Fishing for ground fish is always better the closer you fish to ocean entrances in Prince William Sound.
• Rockfish angling has been productive. Rocky benches adjacent to reefs are good places to find rockfish.
• Anglers continue to catch Pacific cod throughout the Sound while targeting halibut. They make a great meal when halibut are hard to come by!
Shellfish
• It’s been a great year thus far for shrimpers in the Sound. Great shrimping can be found throughout the Sound with Wells Bay, Blue Fjord, and areas around Chenega Island producing exceptional catches.
• Don’t forget your shrimp permit – everyone needs one.

http://www.sf.adfg.state.ak.us/Fishi...il/area_key/11

so she obviously has an agenda and is short on facts at least in PW Sound so take her with a grain of salt.

i dont smell anything..save the grill...and the pool..obama tied up the whole area so he could go to the beach and enter 1 building for 10 min.. fn joke..

a small development

http://www.thedestinlog.com/news/pas...and-plans.html

Did you read where the woman in the article said "HERRING" when she referred to the type of fish? Herring is not mentioned in your post. I've also read articles in the past about how Herring disappeared after the spill. So it is not false if you read it correctly.

They arent positive that the herring moved because of the spill, though it is the main theory. It is true they are gone though.

She made it sound like the entire eco-system relied on herring as mainly a bait food when in fact many species have obviously substituted and supplemented their diets and are now thriving including the whales.

Here's the local's take on the herring problem. The end to the moratorium on whale hunting makes more sense now.


http://www.adn.com/2010/02/08/112967...e-william.html

Wouldn't it be more interesting to find the motives behind the signing of the Deep Water Royality Relief Act? You know the one that implemented a royalty-relief program that relieved eligible leases from paying royalties on defined amounts of deep-water petroleum production over Federal Outer Continental Shelf lands. When leases for wells deeper than 800 meters went from 39 wells to 171 wells. Then in the next three years saw 712, 1110 and 771 additional leases issued? C'mon that's going from 39 deep water leases to 2764 in four years. The fact that the Clinton/Gore administration, you know the 'green guys', were the ones that signed the Act would seemingly make it a must see comedy.

She is completely anti-drilling (any drilling). But her facts are true - there is still oil on the beaches, and negative effects due to the EV spill.

Clinton certainly was the first to open up offshore drilling.

her portrail of the eco-system being barely sustainable is far from the truth but why let that get in her way.

but guess why in deep water?

Your own post regarding fishing supports it - small/med fish; big fish, best found at the mouth of the bay, not within the spill area, etc.

One person isn't the only scientist following the effects post EV. Plenty of duplicate information out there if you want to discount this person entirely.

I am amazed that some think there is no tipping point. That there exists no point where man can indeed permanently ruin this earth, and hasten our own destruction.

What does Hannity tell you think regarding "why in deep water"? :D

The Republican-lead Congress/Senate created and passed the deepwater royalty relief act to give a $ break to big oil regarding their payments to the government, lead by the GOP reps of the gulf states. Clinton signed it.

Hmmm then this article published a year before Bubba signed it must have been all wrong.


U.S. offshore operators got a boost last week when the Clinton administration offered its support for a deepwater royalty relief bill pending in Congress. (Brief Article)
The Oil and Gas Journal| April 18, 1994

:zz: What is "all wrong"?

Sorry you made it sound like Bubba just signed it. As though he wasn't for it but signed it to appease the Republicans?

The article points out that a full year before he signed it his administration publicly came out in support of it.

Yes, the bill was introduced and sponsored by the GOP (look it up) primarily of the oil states, and Clinton supported it and signed it to provide financial support for the industry. Clinton didn't create the bill, or tell Congress/Senate to make that law. The GOP oil men did that.

Bush then went on to completely remove government oversight via MMS. Obama then sent Salazar to fix that disaster, and Salazar did nothing.

The far right is trying to blame this disaster on Clinton and Obama, and completely ignore what happened during the eight Bush years in the middle. That's beyond absurd.

What do you think of that Rolling Stone article?