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kgar311 06-04-2010 09:31 AM

Funny Cide(greatest NY Bred of all time) only has a shitty 65k stake named after him, what kind of Stake do you THINK SB should have??

randallscott35 06-04-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311 (Post 653877)
Funny Cide(greatest NY Bred of all time) only has a shitty 65k stake named after him, what kind of Stake do you THINK SB should have??

Your shitty stake is another man's Derby----Ralph Waldo Emerson

Coach Pants 06-04-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311 (Post 653877)
Funny Cide(greatest NY Bred of all time) only has a shitty 65k stake named after him, what kind of Stake do you THINK SB should have??

A 30k stake on a Wednesday...in the Summer.

OMG I KEEL MUHSELF

Antitrust32 06-04-2010 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 653872)
You don't think so? The N.Y triple, I would have to think they will have no choice but to. Even With Anticipation has a race named after him.

I cant think of one that should be re named for him. What stake do you think should be renamed for Summer Bird?

CSC 06-04-2010 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 653873)
No Point Given race

Point Given didn't complete the triple, on that note maybe Easy Goer deserves a race in his name also as the poster has mentioned. I think it's alot more appropiate to name races after horses that have done something special on the track rather than name races after geographical locations or people. If With Anticipation and Rinkaverse can have races named after them then why not horses that have had a bigger historical impact on NY racing than lesser one's. Atleast they did the right thing with Forego, but it is strange to me Secretariat is associated with Arlington Park rather than Belmont, I don't know maybe they beat them to the punch by naming the Secretariat stks after him, but it's hard not to think of him and what he did at Belmont Park.

randallscott35 06-04-2010 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 653882)
Point Given didn't complete the triple, on that note maybe Easy Goer deserves a race in his name also as the poster has mentioned. I think it's alot more appropiate to name races after horses that have done something special on the track rather than name races after geographical locations or people. If With Anticipation and Rinkaverse can have races named after them then why not horses that have had a bigger historical impact on NY racing than lesser one's. Atleast they did the right thing with Forego, but it is strange to me Secretariat is associated with Arlington Park rather than Belmont, I don't know maybe they beat them to the punch by naming the Secretariat stks after him, but it's hard not to think of him and what he did at Belmont Park.

The whole naming system is a joke.

KirisClown 06-04-2010 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ogygian (Post 653874)
Does Easy Goer have a stakes race named after him? I don't remember seeing one...

It's a little surprising that NY doesn't have a race for him.. You'd think will all he accomplished in the state, plus who his owners were, that there would be a race named in his honor...

Antitrust32 06-04-2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 653883)
The whole naming system is a joke.

:tro:

CSC 06-04-2010 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 653883)
The whole naming system is a joke.

If it's a joke, then it's about time they start honouring horses that have had an impact on the sport, horseracing is alot about sentimentality, the stars are the horses. What is the stubborness with sticking with same outdated names of races...This reminds me of why I hate Baseball now, you have a perfect game pitched the other night, it should have been overturned but Bud sticks to some old fashioned concerpt of not overturning the call. It's ridiculous if you ask me how baseball sticks to some old etiquette. Horseracing is much the same.

Ogygian 06-04-2010 09:50 AM

Easy Goers New York wins....Cowdin, Champagne, Belmont, Travers, Jockey Club, Wood, Gotham, Whitney, Suburban and Woodward...
How in Gods green earth does he NOT have a race named after him???? It is absurb....and someone wants to give Summer Bird a stake...come on!!!!

CSC 06-04-2010 09:52 AM

Easy Goer and Summer Bird completed the Belmont/Travers/Jockey Gold Cup in the same year. They should have a race in their honour as should Secretariat for obvious reasons of what he accomplished on the dirt and turf at Belmont.

Ogygian 06-04-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 653893)
Easy Goer and Summer Bird completed the Belmont/Travers/Jockey Gold Cup in the same year. They should have a race in their honour as should Secretariat for obvious reasons of what he accomplished on the dirt and turf at Belmont.

I agree they both swept the 3, but you CAN'T give Summer Bird a stake race for winning the 3 and not give Easy Goer a stake with 10 New York Graded wins...

CSC 06-04-2010 10:11 AM

Sure both should Easy Goer can have a race named after him first as long as both horses are recognized, Secretariat should have a race in his name also. I think it's ridiculous that Arlington Park has a race named in his honor and not Belmont. I seem to remember Woodbine and CD having a race named the Northern Dancer at the same time so it is not out of the ordinary, rename the Belmont Stakes "the Secretariat Belmont Stakes" or "the Secretariat Turf Classic", It's great marketing and it would make everyone feel good when they hear it. It's probably too logical and we are thus stuck in naming races after Geographical locations or people, which makes a helluva alot of sense huh?

Ogygian 06-04-2010 10:16 AM

Is there any one reason why Easy Goer does not have a stake named after him? How about Sunday Silence...is there a California Stake named after him?

CSC 06-04-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ogygian (Post 653902)
Is there any one reason why Easy Goer does not have a stake named after him? How about Sunday Silence...is there a California Stake named after him?

The Brooklyn Hdcp and The Suburban Hdcp are due for a name change, but with the NYRA, it will probably happen in 2050.

Ogygian 06-04-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 653903)
The Brooklyn Hdcp and The Suburban Hdcp are due for a name change, but with the NYRA, it will probably happen in 2050.

Heck...even my namesake on here has a overnight stake named for him i believe...Barbaro has 2 as well

CSC 06-04-2010 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ogygian (Post 653904)
Heck...even my namesake on here has a overnight stake named for him i believe...Barbaro has 2 as well

Yeh, you know 2013 will mark the 40th anniversary of argubably the single most vivid sporting performance ever witnessed. Secretariat's Belmont win, it would be fitting if Belmont would honor this accomplishment with renaming either the Belmont stakes or the Turf Classic in which he won in track record time in his name, I'm floating the idea, I don't care if someone steals it. But it is long overdue that a race be named after him at the place where he forged so many great memories.

Ogygian 06-04-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 653906)
Yeh, you know 2013 will mark the 40th anniversary of argubably the single most vivid sporting performance ever witnessed. Secretariat's Belmont win, it would be fitting if Belmont would honor this accomplishment with renaming either the Belmont stakes or the Turf Classic in which he won in track record time in his name, I'm floating the idea, I don't care if someone steals it. But it is long overdue that a race be named after him at the place he forged so many great memories.

Someone posted that the "system is a joke"....What is the system?

CSC 06-04-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ogygian (Post 653907)
Someone posted that the "system is a joke"....What is the system?

You asking me? Find a street or borough I guess...name it after a car, that is what a Suburban is when I hear that term.

brianwspencer 06-04-2010 10:46 AM

I've been petitioning Arlington all summer to rename the Million the Gio Ponti Invitational because he won it last year and then ran second behind the best racehorse EVAR, so I think it's pretty pathetic that he doesn't have a race named for him up here right now.

Or shorter answer: absolutely not.

Ogygian 06-04-2010 10:50 AM

Here's a good one...Lets name the Derby Trial..."The Cliff's Edge Derby Trial"...the horse didn't win the Derby Trial...because he didnt even run it...there is a joke for ya...come on Bob...could of named it after War Pass at least...Cliffey only won one grade 1...WP won 2

CSC 06-04-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 653911)
I've been petitioning Arlington all summer to rename the Million the Gio Ponti Invitational because he won it last year and then ran second behind the best racehorse EVAR, so I think it's pretty pathetic that he doesn't have a race named for him up here right now.

Or shorter answer: absolutely not.

Jeeze, you had to bring it up. How long before we have the Rachel Alexandra stakes at Delaware Park after or if she wins the Obeah?

Seriously, I think you guys should give back the Secretariat Stakes name to NYRA. However with these guys they probably wouldn't know what to do with it, and continue to treat naming races as a geography lesson.

Ogygian 06-04-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 653911)
I've been petitioning Arlington all summer to rename the Million the Gio Ponti Invitational because he won it last year and then ran second behind the best racehorse EVAR, so I think it's pretty pathetic that he doesn't have a race named for him up here right now.

Or shorter answer: absolutely not.

In my opinion I believe they should at least wait til after the horse retires...

fpsoxfan 06-04-2010 11:00 AM

How about naming a race called the "15 minutes of Fame"

Name it after Tim Ice and Chip Woolsey

brianwspencer 06-04-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 653914)
Jeeze, you had to bring it up. How long before we have the Rachel Alexandra stakes at Delaware Park after or if she wins the Obeah?

Seriously, I think you guys should give back the Secretariat Stakes name to NYRA. However with these guys they probably wouldn't know what to do with it, and continue to treat naming races as a geography lesson.

Yes, I "had" to bring it up, because it was the most patently ridiculous way I could think up to try to say that a horse doesn't deserve to have a race named after him.

And I may not follow the "give back" portion above, but hey, what's new?

Revidere 06-04-2010 11:02 AM

They should rename the Lady's Secret.

TouchOfGrey 06-04-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Revidere (Post 653921)
They should rename the Lady's Secret.

Now THAT's a good idea! Oh, wait....

Danzig 06-04-2010 12:40 PM

I don't think summer birds career warrants a stake named for him. Surprised that easy goer wasn't honored with one

Antitrust32 06-04-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 653954)
I don't think summer birds career warrants a stake named for him. Surprised that easy goer wasn't honored with one

But he won THE NEW YORK TRIPLE!!!!!

Summer bird was the 4th/5th best horse in training last year. It would be absolutely ridiculous to have a stake renamed after him, unless they want to mess with some 60k overnight stake.

Cannon Shell 06-04-2010 01:22 PM

If I was a billionaire I would sponsor the Belmont, give them a couple million to add to the purse and make them change the name to the Hank the pony Belmont Stakes.

CSC 06-04-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 653965)
But he won THE NEW YORK TRIPLE!!!!!

Summer bird was the 4th/5th best horse in training last year. It would be absolutely ridiculous to have a stake renamed after him, unless they want to mess with some 60k overnight stake.

4th or 5th best horse in training last year? Who was ahead of him may I ask? It's okay you can have your own poll as to whether Rachel can have her own stake named after her, hopefully it will be run right beside prestigious Curlin stakes at Saratoga.

Antitrust32 06-04-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 653986)
4th or 5th best horse in training last year? Who was ahead of him may I ask? It's okay you can have your own poll as to whether Rachel can have her own stake named after her, hopefully it will be run right beside prestigious Curlin stakes at Saratoga.

Zenyatta / Rachel Alexandra
Gio Ponti / Summer Bird / Quality Road

Eh.. he could have been as much as the 3rd best horse, or the 5th. that third row is pretty interchangeable.

pointman 06-04-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi (Post 653785)
It was an odd statement because the fact that he was retired has no relation to SB being transfered to a new trainer. The horse broke his leg in Tim Ice care and for some reason the owners decided to change trainers thereafter.

Tim Ice had something to do with SB fracturing his leg?

pointman 06-04-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen (Post 653771)
Just ask the Owners of Unptowncharleybrown, they will give you all the inside information you want. Charley was in Ice's barn for a Short short time before Kiaran got him.

I don't know the owners. Care to share?

eajinabi 06-04-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 654016)
Tim Ice had something to do with SB fracturing his leg?

Did transferring the horse to another trainer had something to with SB retirement?

pointman 06-04-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi (Post 654147)
Did transferring the horse to another trainer had something to with SB retirement?

Did I ever say it did? I made a simple point that it was an arbitrary decision to change trainers with the horse after Ice campaigned the horse to an Eclipse award. I am sorry if it was too difficult for you to understand.

eajinabi 06-04-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 654151)
Did I ever say it did? I made a simple point that it was an arbitrary decision to change trainers with the horse after Ice campaigned the horse to an Eclipse award. I am sorry if it was too difficult for you to understand.

Apparently the owners did not like him for some reason however its thier horse and thier decision to transfer trainers. It wasnt like Tim Richtey was a bad choice either. Also, do you blame Edward P Evans for switching trainers for Quality Road too?

pointman 06-04-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi (Post 654156)
Apparently the owners did not like him for some reason however its thier horse and thier decision to transfer trainers. It wasnt like Tim Richtey was a bad choice either. Also, do you blame Edward P Evans for switching trainers for Quality Road too?

You can disagree if you want, it is a merely an opinion. It doesn't make it odd because you disagree. It was my opinion at the time that a trainer change wouldn't improve a horse who appeared to be running at his highest level with Ice. Steve explained there was more to it after I posted, information I was not privy too. I have now wasted much more time responding to you than it is worth.

eajinabi 06-04-2010 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 654164)
You can disagree if you want, it is a merely an opinion. It doesn't make it odd because you disagree. It was my opinion at the time that a trainer change wouldn't improve a horse who appeared to be running at his highest level with Ice. Steve explained there was more to it after I posted, information I was not privy too. I have now wasted much more time responding to you than it is worth.

Same here


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