Bowed Tendon
 

It's a bowed tendon for Eskendereya.

Who's considerably better than her? If there were ever a year to take a shot with a filly, this is the one. And I hope I don't have to hear about Eight Belles as a reason not to run.

I was looking forward to betting her in the Oaks, but with the new developments, I see no reason why she doesn't have a shot in the big race now.

completely disagree with it being stupid, and her having no chance. many entered have a chance at this point.

I thought Setsuko was being entered in one of the turf races. Don't know if he's shipped yet.

You won't hear that reason from me - Eight Belles has nothing to do with it. I don't see what she's done to prove she deserves a shot; she won one race, the Bonnie Miss. It was a nice race, but hardly spectacular. I think she'll finish much closer to last than she will to first.

I believe Setsuko is in Louisville and being pointed toward the American Turf on Derby day.

Were you really that impressed with her Bonnie Miss that you thought Derby at that point?

The most shocking thing that came out of the press conference to me is that Zayat is Jewish. In a country of 80 million there's less than 200 Jews in Egypt.

I was pretty sure he was out after yesterday's gallop from what I saw and then Steve and Mike Welsch saying the same thing.

Well now you look smart because he is not going to win....:D

What has Line of David done other than one race? What has Mission Impazible done other than one race? What has Stately Victor done other than one race? American Lion? Dean's Kitten? Ice Box? Endorsement? Awesome Act? Homeboykris? Discreetly Mine? And please tell me what was more 'spectacular' about any of their wins.

How many of the likely Derby starters have more than one significant win to their name? Eskendereya only had two, and he was going to be the heavy favorite. Why should having only one big win disqualify Devil May Care if it doesn't disqualify those other horses?

Not looking good for our two "E" horses, including Endorsement, my personal favorite. Let it go, Exterminator!

Must be tough to find a decent bagel.....

Tough break for anyone with a pool 1 future wager on Esky as well.

Well, I don't give Stately Victor a chance because he's a poly horse and Discreetly Mine doesn't belong in the race. Dean's Kitten? Same as Stately Victor. The crop is not all that good, but then again just because they aren't that good doesn't mean Devil May Care has a chance to beat them; I just don't think she's as good as the colts (not that that's saying much). Was she your KY Oaks selection?

:tro:

So I come back to my original question: who is significantly better than her? If she's so overmatched, you should be able to name at least 10 horses that are significantly better than her. I can think of maybe two.

And why aren't you railing against Stately Victor, Discreetly Mine and Dean's Kitten running? Why is Devil May Care singled out as a stupid entrant?

I agree-she has really done nothing and seems the best reason to like her and reason why they wanna run her is she can go the distance???

There are about 4 or 5 horses who have no business and are tosses no matter what for me

Stately Victor-Horse who was nothing until runs big on Poly,now he has a chance. Didnt we see in past years what happens with horses who run big there

Discreetly Mine-:(

Dean's Kitten-Another 1 doesn't need an explanation

Line of David- who if the Arkansas Derby was another 10 feet would have been 3rd and not even be in the Derby.

So much for getting a better price on the horse's now that Esky's out.

Distance? How about the field being terrible and being far from the least likely winner on paper?

This assessment of the AD is wrong. Welcome to the pools. :rolleyes:

Ditto. However I don't think it makes the race wide open, it just drops the odds on L@L and Sid'sCandy.

Hey if they wanna run her,run her and u wanna bet her,bet her

I dont mind all the women who make the $2 bets and u putting your money on her,it just brings her odds down and other ones up.

I am just saying that what I keep hearing. We think she will like the longer distance,the distance is perfect we just gotta see how she works out

She's just as fast as most of the field.

Running against males isn't going to make Devil May Care run any slower. The only thing that might stop her is traffic problems, but every horse in the field will have to deal with that.

she's been as impressive as just about any colt who is headed to churchill saturday. yes, she had two bad efforts after the frizette, both easily tossed. she apparently hated the synthetic in the juvie, and of course had a bad time at the gate at the fairgrounds. you say she 'only won the bonnie miss', but she beat two nice horses in there, amen hallelujah is nothing to sneer at. she's got the breeding, she's got the speed-i can think of many horses in the upcoming race who i think have a better shot than her at being closer to last than to first. any three year old who has an impressive race in the spring is automatically a oaks/derby thought. if i were them, with eskendereya out, i'd choose saturday over friday.

I don't understand why people can't grasp this.

Putting the Derby aside, I don't think she can beat Blind Luck in the Oaks.

Paul

With ESKENDEREYA out of the Derby lineup, Churchill ML oddsmaker Mike Battaglia says LOOKIN AT LUCKY will be made the 'solid favorite' Wednesday at an estimated 3-1. Battaglia believes he will have SIDNEY'S CANDY as about a 6-1 second choice, and AWESOME ACT the 8-1 third choice.

Battaglia added he believes that should DEVIL MAY CARE run in the Derby, she would go off as no worse than 6th choice, and likely as the shortest price of the Pletcher runners...

HRTV just reported that Rule is on the fence as well...

NT

Interesting but you will not get 6-1 on Sidney's Candy on Sat.

More out than in actually..

i guess im in the minority, but i dont see how she has been as impressive as just about any colt. shes won once going two turns, against amen hallelujah, who looked like she has some distance concerns after the bonnie miss. amen hallelujah is a nice filly, but a mile seems like her ceiling.

shes a very nice filly and i dont think shes going to be last at all. she will probably be among the top ten finishers. but her performances on track thus far have not been that impressive to consider her a legit threat.

i think you could say that about any probable starter at this point.

thats not true. just because the favorite is out doesnt mean anyone can win now.

i like devil may care a lot. and she can beat males. but shes run twice this year and did no running at all the first time. so she will be coming into the derby running one real race this year, against a horse with distance challenges, with 6 weeks in between starts.

not the kind of bet i want to make at what will sure be underlaid odds compared to her actual chance of winning.

I definitely toss the BC out because of the Poly; I have no idea what happened at the FG. I didn't realize she had gate issues - that just seemed like a bad race for her. Look, if they run her, I'm going to root for her ( or Ice Box); I hope I'm proven wrong. At least she's coming into her next race in good form because her last workout seems like it was perfect.

I don't think those horses belong, but I'm not going to rail against them being there because I'm not a fan of those horses. They have the earnings, they have the right to be there even if I think they're overmatched. I like Devil May Care - that's why I would prefer to see her run where she has a chance to win. Obviously we disagree; we only have to wait a week to see who's right.

Don't forget that she ran as fast as Icebox did in the Fla. Derby.

It's easier to be right when you pick one horse out of 20 to not win. I say Conveyance won't win and doesn't belong.

all in on the 8 hole.........:$:

i don't feel comfortable at this point saying any horse has a better chance than any other. and i do feel at this point that just about any horse can win. and when i say i don't include stately victor as one of those, i think back to last year. as for lack of racing, ice box is one i like-and he hasn't run in the same span as devil may care.