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Revidere 04-20-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny (Post 637453)
Ramon is comitted to Rule and would want no part of that head case trying to complete 2 turns for the first time ever in the Derby. GOD help them all if he gets in and draws post #1.

I was trying to be facetious in print....As always, it doesn't work.

jms62 04-20-2010 09:07 AM

I won't get burned again. Borel gets 100 bucks even if he is riding a goat. I was live to 8 horses last year in the P4 and wasn't smart enough to respect Borels track record at Churchill in graded races.

slotdirt 04-20-2010 09:32 AM

You know, on Homeboykris, isn't there a point for Dutrow/the Sergio's guy/Joe Torre where it's perfectly clear that your horse isn't good/sound enough to be running in the Derby off three months rest, and maybe you point somewhere else? I mean, isn't there someone at CDI or the NTRA or somewhere begging these guys to reconsider?

Kasept 04-20-2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 637499)
You know, on Homeboykris, isn't there a point for Dutrow/the Sergio's guy/Joe Torre where it's perfectly clear that your horse isn't good/sound enough to be running in the Derby off three months rest, and maybe you point somewhere else? I mean, isn't there someone at CDI or the NTRA or somewhere begging these guys to reconsider?

For those that don't understand why Homeboy Kris is running, Louie Lazzinaro ("Sergio's guy") doesn't expect to stay heavily involved in the sport with his close friend Bobby Frankel having passed. He is not outrageously wealthy with money to burn chasing a Derby dream like a Ken Ramsey. He simply wants to be able to experience having a horse in the Derby knowing there almost certainly will never be another chance for him. It's as simple as that and I doubt any one of us would feel differently if the opportunity came our way.

Coach Pants 04-20-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637507)
For those that don't understand why Homeboy Kris is running, Louie Lazzinaro ("Sergio's guy") doesn't expect to stay heavily involved in the sport with his close friend Bobby Frankel having passed. He is not outrageously wealthy with money to burn chasing a Derby dream like a Ken Ramsey. He simply wants to be able to experience having a horse in the Derby knowing there almost certainly will never be another chance for him. It's as simple as that and I doubt any one of us would feel differently if the opportunity came our way.

Plus it's of the utmost importance that he's invited to the "I had a horse in the Kentucky Derby" Facebook group.

Kasept 04-20-2010 11:16 AM

Willie Martinez will ride Noble's Promise should he go in the Derby. Moved from 50-50 to 60-40 after today's work according to Kenny McPeek.

slotdirt 04-20-2010 11:23 AM

I get the "having a Derby experience" deal, but there seem to be some underlying issues with this horse that would lead me to believe they'd want to err on the side of caution. Plus, the horse makes Mine that Bird look like a good bet last year. If Homeboykris actually runs in the Derby this year, I will almost guarantee the graded earnings format is changed for the 2011 Run for the Roses.

Merlinsky 04-20-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637552)
Willie Martinez will ride Noble's Promise should he go in the Derby. Moved from 50-50 to 60-40 after today's work according to Kenny McPeek.

Heard about the work and thought that might happen. Thanks for the update Steve. Those scratches must be looking better, or he's running well enough in spite of them.

randallscott35 04-20-2010 11:31 AM

I hope he runs.

Merlinsky 04-20-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 637495)
I won't get burned again. Borel gets 100 bucks even if he is riding a goat. I was live to 8 horses last year in the P4 and wasn't smart enough to respect Borels track record at Churchill in graded races.

Gonna plunk some cash on Rachel if she goes in the La Troienne? Sounds like she has so much energy she might go enter herself if Asmussen doesn't do it fast enough. I bet they let Calvin do like he always does with her instead of all that screwing around like before.

As for Homeboykris, I totally get why they wanna go. I find it inconvenient for other horses, but I understand the thought processes. There've been worse reasons. I just hope he comes home safe and sound. He can't be in peak physical form right now can he? Has anybody here seem him lately?

Linny 04-20-2010 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Revidere (Post 637492)
I was trying to be facetious in print....As always, it doesn't work.

that's what the smileys are for:);)

Kasept 04-20-2010 01:17 PM

John Sadler has secured Rafael Bejarano to ride Line of David bumping Jon Court.

Scav 04-20-2010 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637595)
John Sadler has secured Rafael Bejarano to ride Line of David.

Unbelievable....

randallscott35 04-20-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637595)
John Sadler has secured Rafael Bejarano to ride Line of David bumping Jon Court.

And Court's wife just came down stairs with the ice pick fromm Basic Instinct

Left Bank 04-20-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny (Post 637453)
Ramon is comitted to Rule and would want no part of that head case trying to complete 2 turns for the first time ever in the Derby. GOD help them all if he gets in and draws post #1.

Speaking of head case,I saw a recent picture of 85inafifty working out at CD and he is busy looking at the infield like he did in his last race instead of concentrating on what he is doing.

VOL JACK 04-20-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 637563)
Gonna plunk some cash on Rachel if she goes in the La Troienne? Sounds like she has so much energy she might go enter herself if Asmussen doesn't do it fast enough. I bet they let Calvin do like he always does with her instead of all that screwing around like before.

As for Homeboykris, I totally get why they wanna go. I find it inconvenient for other horses, but I understand the thought processes. There've been worse reasons. I just hope he comes home safe and sound. He can't be in peak physical form right now can he? Has anybody here seem him lately?

What are you talking about?

Thunder Gulch 04-20-2010 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637552)
Willie Martinez will ride Noble's Promise should he go in the Derby. Moved from 50-50 to 60-40 after today's work according to Kenny McPeek.

So in reality that means he's 95%. He's not looking for sign the horse can compete, they are looking for a reason not to go.

-BT- 04-20-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637595)
John Sadler has secured Rafael Bejarano to ride Line of David bumping Jon Court.

stay classy johnny...... rafael gives this horse a much better chance of winning on the first saturday in may:rolleyes:

-bt-

Danzig 04-20-2010 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 637605)
What are you talking about?

calvin didn't like the instructions in the last race, they took her out of her usual running style.

ninetoone 04-20-2010 04:45 PM

So, on the off chance that Setsuko gets in, who rides him?

10 pnt move up 04-20-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 637642)
So, on the off chance that Setsuko gets in, who rides him?

there is no chance he can get in IMO

Coach Pants 04-20-2010 05:33 PM

Jon Court was gracious as usual.

You stay classy, Sadler.

Merlinsky 04-20-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637595)
John Sadler has secured Rafael Bejarano to ride Line of David bumping Jon Court.

Crap. When it went on like that with nothing firm, I got the feeling it wasn't gonna work out. Can I just ask, is there something Jon's got against him that keeps some trainer from wanting him? I mean are these just the breaks and it's nothing personal, or is there something that he needs to do that he isn't doing?

the_fat_man 04-20-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637507)
For those that don't understand why Homeboy Kris is running, Louie Lazzinaro ("Sergio's guy") doesn't expect to stay heavily involved in the sport with his close friend Bobby Frankel having passed. He is not outrageously wealthy with money to burn chasing a Derby dream like a Ken Ramsey. He simply wants to be able to experience having a horse in the Derby knowing there almost certainly will never be another chance for him. It's as simple as that and I doubt any one of us would feel differently if the opportunity came our way.

Racing needs to follow the marathon model. If a bunch of spastics want to run in the marathon against world class runners, NO PROBLEM, say the, for example, NY Marathon bigwigs. We'll start you AFTER the world class group, so you don't get in their way, let them run like athletes while you do the Special Olympian thing and let them collect their money for running well.

Problem with the Derby is that the Special Olympian horses get in the way of the better horses' chances of winning the race. We don't need 5 speed horses and 5 pick up the pieces after EVERYONE else has run types. Which, I suppose makes the race interesting if you're better 150 combos but not bettable if you're trying to make some money. In other words, Homeboy Kris' connections would probably be better served looking into a match race situation with Sweetnorthernsaint -- you know, the horse that, more often than not, impedes itself at the gate. I know I'd pay good money to see that one.:rolleyes:

johnny pinwheel 04-20-2010 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 637605)
What are you talking about?

hes talking about betting rachel at 2-5 again and making excuses for why she lost last time...bad jockey instructions........lol. go ahead bet her its great value....lol

AeWingnut 04-20-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 637651)
Crap. When it went on like that with nothing firm, I got the feeling it wasn't gonna work out. Can I just ask, is there something Jon's got against him that keeps some trainer from wanting him? I mean are these just the breaks and it's nothing personal, or is there something that he needs to do that he isn't doing?

Right after the Arkansas Derby I kinda got the feeling that Sadler didn't like the way he won. He said something like, "well I wanted the lead" can't remember but it sounded more like a criticism than an compliment.

I admit I am biased. There were too many races (outside of California) where I believe Jon put the horse in a position to win.

Linny 04-20-2010 06:52 PM

Gotta sting a bit when you win a $1m G1 and get replaced next out. :zz:

2Hot4TV 04-20-2010 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637595)
John Sadler has secured Rafael Bejarano to ride Line of David bumping Jon Court.

No Class from "Line of Davids" connections. This rider switch will not get their horse any closer to the winners circle.

philcski 04-20-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 637649)
Jon Court was gracious as usual.

You stay classy, Sadler.

Agree. What a dick move.

2Hot4TV 04-20-2010 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 637651)
Crap. When it went on like that with nothing firm, I got the feeling it wasn't gonna work out. Can I just ask, is there something Jon's got against him that keeps some trainer from wanting him? I mean are these just the breaks and it's nothing personal, or is there something that he needs to do that he isn't doing?

It's just Gods way of keeping Jon humble.

my miss storm cat 04-20-2010 07:03 PM

Wow that sucks.

philcski 04-20-2010 07:05 PM

Approximate current mid-market from Betfair (note the takeout is much lower than what is available stateside, but market is a bit thin right now and we should have a better idea of off odds this time next week):
Eskendereya 11/5
Lookin At Lucky 6/1
Sidneys Candy 12/1
Awesome Act 18/1 (offer 15/1, no bids)
Endorsement 19/1
Dublin 30/1
Ice Box 30/1
Super Saver 30/1
American Lion 35/1
Stately Victor 35/1 (offer 27/1, no bids)
Line of David 35/1
Noble's Promise 40/1 (offer 30/1, no bids)
Interactif 50/1 (offer 40/1, no bids)
Rule 50/1 (offer 35/1, no bids)
Homeboykris 100/1 (offer 65/1, no bids)
Aikenite 150/1 (offer 100/1, no bids)
Backtalk 150/1 (offer 100/1, no bids)
Conveyance 60/1 (offer 40/1, no bids)
Mission Impazible 30/1
Deans Kitten 75/1 (offer 50/1, no bids)

the_fat_man 04-20-2010 07:05 PM

What am I missing? Sadler's obligation is to do the best he possibly can for his owners. Opting for a top 5 jock over a mediocrity makes sense to me. It's not personal, it's (good) business. Not like this one has much of a shot but why not do all you possibly can, nonetheless?

NTamm1215 04-20-2010 07:09 PM

Gomez is also replacing Theriot on Blame when he returns in the Schaefer on the Preakness undercard, not Derby related but it's another instance of a winning jockey getting replaced.

NT

philcski 04-20-2010 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 637675)
What am I missing? Sadler's obligation is to do the best he possibly can for his owners. Opting for a top 5 jock over a mediocrity makes sense to me. It's not personal, it's (good) business. Not like this one has much of a shot but why not do all you possibly can, nonetheless?

Top 5 or not (which RB is), how many TC races has he won?

dalakhani 04-20-2010 07:21 PM

It sucks for Court but Sadler is a west coast trainer and putting one of the top jockeys out west on his horse obviously is a good move on many levels.

I know this couldn't have hurt him as bad as getting taken off of Leroids de animaux.

Coach Pants 04-20-2010 07:26 PM

Jon was out west for a few years and just recently left. It's a bad decision. Bejarano passed on the Arkansas Derby. What Sadler is really doing is saying his horse isn't that important.


I wish them all the best though.

Thanks for listening.

CP

ninetoone 04-20-2010 07:32 PM

Who did Bejarano ride that day instead? Don't remember.

NTamm1215 04-20-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 637697)
Who did Bejarano ride that day instead? Don't remember.

Interactif.

NT

Sightseek 04-20-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 637507)
For those that don't understand why Homeboy Kris is running, Louie Lazzinaro ("Sergio's guy") doesn't expect to stay heavily involved in the sport with his close friend Bobby Frankel having passed. He is not outrageously wealthy with money to burn chasing a Derby dream like a Ken Ramsey. He simply wants to be able to experience having a horse in the Derby knowing there almost certainly will never be another chance for him. It's as simple as that and I doubt any one of us would feel differently if the opportunity came our way.

I would hate to see how much it would cost for a glass of wine if he was trying to get outrageously wealthy!


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