I think there's ample scientific behavioural evidence in humans that people feel their sexuality is predestined from as early as they can remember thinking about it. It's not a choice to be attracted to the same sex, any more than it is a choice to be attracted to the opposite sex.

Looking at that within the broad spectrum of conferring evolutionary advantages to different species regarding self-perpetuation makes it even more clear that it's not "black and white" that males/females are the only desired pairing (from an evolutionary/species preservation point of view)

And it's a ridiculous 'debate,' so it's going to get derailed.

1. If people are born straight, people are also born gay. To say otherwise is to question the legitimacy of the concept of homosexuality entirely.
2. There are few social benefits to 'choosing' to be gay, so it doesn't make logical sense that so many people would choose it.

I agree but it isn't ridiculous to ask the question when there are still a huge chunk of people who feel it is a choice.

Hence my question: if one feels it is a choice, fine. Keep it to yourself and think that. But why do some then go on to feel they have a right to impose that personal assessment on everybody else in the world? Through laws?

There's a huge chunk of people who think Obama is the Antichrist too, should we be discussing that as well?

Probably. 21% is the number you were looking for on that. Don't get me started on religious nuts.

If I'm straight but sleep with a lesbian, what does that make me? (Other than THE MAN!!) ;)

The type who compensates for his 5' 2'' height by cruising lesbian bars for girls to bang in order to increase your street cred?

Someone who wants to cause all women to have low self-esteem issues, not just heterosexual women? :p

I agree with what you originally posted but I disagree with this, especially in women. Let's be honest, if you were a woman would you be physically attracted to a man? I sure wouldn't, most men are gross. Women are far more beautiful. That being said, there is the innate need in most women to reproduce, which obviously requires a man, therefore causing the conundrum of need versus want.

Big Brown is obviously gay.

i got into an argument (probably a waste of time on my part) with a woman i used to work with, who said 'god wouldn't make gay people'. so she said they must choose to be so. :rolleyes:

Obviously people can hook up with both sexes, I'm simply saying you are one or the other, there is no 50/50 split nonsense. It's made up.

I asked my wife her opinion on this and she said you are born straight or gay and the people that go both ways are just really horny.

This thread is gay..

and I mean delightful

So.....there are hundreds of thousands of people in the world who claim to be bisexual....argue that they find both men and women attractive....and actually engage in sexual experiences with both men and women.
Are you really saying that these people are either gay or straight, and despite what they think they feel, they absolutely must fall into one of two categories of rigidly defined sexual orientation.

That is absurd.

Well I know there's one DT'er he's always "happy to see," so you may be onto something.

I have only slept with 1 lez, but I didn't put out :)

I'm nearly married and have the most amazing daughter in the world. I quit worrying about street cred long ago

OMG!

Look who is maturing.

I was going to say growing up but we know he isn't gaining in the height department :) :)

Yes there is no such thing as being born bisexual.

Those two quotes in order basically sum up the confusing night I've had so far.

Scav bothered to respond to a repetitive height joke for Kev, but left the fact that Big Brown's new nickname at the stud farm message board is "bonerz4scavzgirl," go untouched.

Really, the entire premise of the thread is ludicrous to me anyway, so let's just have some fun, laugh at Timm, and just overuse the word "albatross."

And the Health Care bill would never pass either..0 for 2

At least with the gay baboon article ( no..I didn't read it) you were quoting something of merit...This is just your shot gun opinion on a subject I don't think you, or very many of us posting really know that much about.

Unless you really are Bi-Sexual and know that you weren't born that way.

Yes it is my opinion....I realize it was a long article with some big words, try it sometime. Best of luck with Obama care.

Okay.
Timm would definitely have sex with an albatross....as long as it is a female albatross.....because Timm isn't gay.

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

I witnessed an albatross last year, then gave the guy who got it a belly bump and a hug, but neither of us are gay.

LOL

Did you swing your shaft and head at your balls or put your friend's balls in your pocket that day at all?

I mean, not that that's gay or anything.

Being gay would exclude him from his long-awaited invitation to the RNC... not that there's anything wrong with that!

No, But I did yell "it went in the hole!" and I'm not ashamed to admit that one single stroke cost me 14.00.

14 bucks for a stroke? It's cheaper than that in Vegas!!!
Last time I, ahem, heard, it was $300 for a half hour which was over a 100
strokes :D

Recession must not be hitting the Mohawk Valley...

Watch the 1st 30s of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHVhwcOg6y8

Then the bi-version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p_bnrtqSRQ

Oh my God.







thud

Doesn't have to be a gene.

i'm really not sure why it matters whether it's a choice or not, altho i also feel that you're born that way. i never made a conscience decision on what i like-whether it's men, liver and onions, or reality shows on television. i just know if someone asks if i would like liver for dinner, the answer would be no. to me, it tastes awful. i know it's supposed to be good for me, but i still can't convince my taste buds that it's something i should like. ugh

at any rate, it all comes down to people needing to mind their own business. i don't want anyone dictating to me who i should or can love, or who i have in my bedroom.


and it may not be a gene-all fetuses start out as female, the chromosomes dictate the growth of outies rather than innies at a certain stage of formation-i think it's got something to do with that change during gestation.

Right answer!!

Break it down into desire versus behavior.
 

I think the question needs to be broken down into two pieces: homosexual desire versus homosexual behavior. As a starting point in a philosophical argument, I would assert that:

1. Most people are born straight, and some are born homosexual. There have been biological findings concerning the development of the hypothalamus in men, showing a correlation between homosexual desire and a hypothalamus more like that of a woman. Being biological in origin, the degree to which an individual is different from "straight" behavior, and the age of discovery, can vary.

2. Homosexual behavior can be a choice, especially when you consider prison as an example. The stereotypical womanizing criminal, who today has many girlfriends. This man will be locked up for 20 years starting today, and somehow later will be participating in homosexual behavior. He is not biologically predisposed to having homosexual desires, and may never have participated in the behavior had he not been sent to prison.

3. If we treat the desire as separate from the behavior, it would seem that those having homosexual desires would see it as natural to have homosexual behavior. There also may be those who have homosexual desires who resist the behavior, for whatever reason: guilt, social ramifications, religion, etc. Then there are those who are straight, who do things more associated with homosexuals while in prison, which, frankly, I do not understand.

sometimes I wonder if that is a dominance thing, not really a sex thing even though its a sex act. Kind of like a dog mounting another dog for dominance.

I also wonder how much it occurs. Probably less than what we are lead to believe with all the "dont drop the soap" stuff we hear on tv.