the most common lie in american politics is any politician saying they care deeply about american dependence on foreign oil.

it's usually framed as a national security issue by republican's and a national security and environmental issue by democrats.

and it's quickly followed by an offer of cheap gas if you'd only elect them.

why? because they know their audience. no politician ever lost an election by underestimating the maturity or intelligence of the american voter.

any politician that tried to explain the long term benefits of $4-$5/gal gas would finish behind the transvestite-communist party candidate.

both sides play loose with facts on this subject. shocker.

Isn't there going to be a few people getting health insurance for free. Dont you call that getting a handout? Im talking about people who can work but aren't working and they aren't looking for a job. I guess you think thats okay. Isn't it true that people will be paying for this so called insurance and won't be able to use it until 2014. By that time O'DUMBASS will be long gone. Some health insurance when people will be paying into it and cant use it.

What are those AZ teabaggers gunna do now that their hero … Sarah The Quitter … is out there stumping for "rino" McCain???

NO... they're won't be anyone getting health insurance for free.

The closest to "free" will be people who ARE working, yet not making enough to comfortably purchase coverage on the state health insurance exchanges, will receive tax credits to help pay for them. Hardly even close to free, especially considering the value of tax credits individuals (read: they aren't all they're cracked up to be.)

Again, if you would read the fact sheet I posted instead of making sh1t up you would be a lot more informed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62L2CT20100322

FTFY

LOL.

All im asking is a question. Obviously you take offense if a question is asked. Maybe its because I wont kiss O'Dumbass' @ss like the rest of you people want to. I will be glad when November gets here for voting. All I have to push is one button. I have no problems with a working person getting help for paying for it. The only sh1t around here is you. I do have a question is it true that lots of people will have to wait until 2013-2014 to use this insurance? If this true then how is this insurance going to help out the American public?

so how's everyone doing with thosr $3+ gas prices

Should be higher Marty

What an interesting time to bring this topic back to life. Is the "drill, baby, drill" crew still in the gulf tonight?

A non-life essential product? I guess you didn't watch the National Geographic special on March 8 - A WORLD WITHOUT OIL.

Lack of health care would take a back seat to the crises of no oil.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...he.html?cat=15

I don't profess to understand how oil prices work - there are so many pundits with their own theories. I just know that in 1999, gas was about $1.00 a gallon, and now it's $3.00 a gallon and diesel, which should cost less than any grade of regular gasoline, costs more than hi-test.

The world has become dependent on oil - not just the United States. Chaos would reign if the world ran out of oil. I'd venture to say that 40% of the U.S. oil usage is for non-transportation usage.

You Betcha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hgR6wXfvhM

he was talking about regulation of gas prices, not about oil. as for diesel, prices depend on supply and demand. huge demand for diesel, of course the price will rise.

No, he said, "a non-life essential product".

That's all well and good about the usage of diesel, but it's cheaper to process than regular gasoline - so it shouldn't cost more. Supposedly, the price of diesel was supposed to drop drastically after the 2009 Summer Olympics in China, and it did a bit, but now it's going back up.

You can't have an intelligent conversation with a stone so why waste your time. This nitwit hardly even reads the headlines.

I have to commend you. Your not using anyone else's quotes. Maybe you do actually have a brain cell. In reality I do doubt you having a brain cell unless your sitting on it.

You got me there big fella.

i know what he said, he said gas prices, a non essential product-and then you started spouting off about oil in response. those are comparing apples and oranges. gas is a product of oil. oil produces a number of products, gas being just one of them.

as for diesel, i know it's a by product. i also know demand is high as ever. of course the price will follow.

Hope you enjoy your weekend.

:)

JHC - how you cherry pick what I have to say just so you can grouse in return. Hope Philcski isn't paying you too much to be his spokesperson. And, yes, I know that gasoline is a by-product of oil, and it is a life-essential product.

Take a bit of time to read the web-site I posted about the NG special that was on back in March - THE WORLD WITHOUT OIL. I do have a knowledge base other than what's posted on horse forums.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...he.html?cat=15

<<At five days after the oil disappears, the theory is that the United States would be reduced to martial law as gas stations run out of gasoline and stores begin to run out of food because there isn't enough fuel to keep supplies coming in. Armed guards are needed to simply allow citizens into stores to pick through half-rotten food - which is all that is available.>>

You too can I expect the usual vulgar PM's?

why do you keep going to oil, when the original post mentioned gasoline? that's what i don't understand. how is gas 'life essential'? there are other fuels that could take it's place pretty quickly. it's certainly far from essential. food is essential, so's water...i'd give up gasoline before i gave up refrigeration, electricity, etc. as for phil, i'm sure he can speak for himself just fine. not sure what your point was there. funny tho, when i reply to you, you're the only one accusing me of cherry picking. but then, maybe rupert is just trying to think of a retort to my post about barrack. or maybe you take these discussions far more personally than many? i'm just enjoying the discussion, sorry if you feel picked on when someone disagrees with you.

You started it to me.

don't worry danny. she has a thick skin.

we know this because she posts about it every few days. that doesn't strike me as the least bit defensive so i'm sure it's true. she's as sincere about her invulnerability to criticism as she was about really really really hoping that rumor she spread about obama's non-existent affair wasn't true.

Why do YOU keep insisting that I'm talking strictly about oil? Just what product is there that would so readily replace gasoline to power a transportation vehicle? Without gasoline you wouldn't have food in the grocery stores or any othe other items in every day living upon which you have grown dependent . You'll not be able to commute to work, let alone do any other type of long distance driving. And, oil is related. Without it, you don't have gasoline or any of the other products that come from oil.

Gas rationings in the 70's damn near brought this nation to its knees. Can you imagine waiting on line for 2 - 3 hours or more to fill your car with 5 or 10 gallons of gasoline every other day? Can you imagine going to the supermarkets and finding the shelves nearly bare because the trucks delivering goods couldn't make it because they, too, had long waits to fill up when they could.

"The rationing led to incidents of violence, after truck drivers nationwide chose to strike for two days in December 1973 because they objected to the supplies Simon had rationed for their industry. In Pennsylvania and Ohio, non-striking truckers were shot at by striking truckers, and in Arkansas, trucks of non-strikers were attacked with bombs."

Please don't try and tell me that gasoline isn't life essential. What would your day be like without it?

And, by the way, did I borrow money from you and forget to pay it back? Seems you're on my tail every opportunity you can make of it, so I do take it personally. I could say the world is round, and you'd argue the point,

I'm here. I'm going to say what I have to or want to say. It may not set right with you, but take Antitrust's advice about talking down to people. You're not the fountainhead of knowledge.

Oh, and by the way, hi_good gawd. Grow up, minion!

A non-life essential product? I guess you didn't watch the National Geographic special on March 8 - A WORLD WITHOUT OIL.

Take a bit of time to read the web-site I posted about the NG special that was on back in March - THE WORLD WITHOUT OIL

those are what you posted when gas was mentioned. maybe that's why i thought you were talking about oil?

as for if there were no gas, there are alternatives to gas for cars, trucks, etc. and yes, i understand it's the big dog right now, it's cheaper, etc. but the world wouldn't end with no gasoline. with food and water, most certainly we wouldn't survive long.

as for me being 'on your tail ', did that include my answer to your question about esky? paranoid much?

as for whether you stay or not, i could care less. but thing is, if you expect to enjoy a public forum, you might want to understand that it works better when people reply to one another. it sure would be quiet if we just read something and had no reply. :rolleyes: for someone who proclaims to not get angry, stays unruffled, and has a thick skin, you act like anything but...i certainly can handle someone disagreeing with me, i'm not sure i can say the same about you.

ok, minion. lol minion...

Thank you for the lecture. Try not quoting me out of context in the future. And, it's I couldn't care less. If you could care less, you would.

Disagreements I have no problem coping with. Ankle biting terriers do, however, get me riled.

G'night!

minion for phil's spokeperson.

mom's so proud of me.

that's ankle biting spokesperson, don't forget! :cool:

This is actually a real person in the world?

Really?

Come on -- this simply *has* to be a ruse of some sort. Whoever created this incredible alter ego can fess up now...you definitely put one over on all of us! Well played!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuS5...ayer_embedded#!

I've finally figured out your problem and those who laugh at your crude behavior:

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...aspx?gt1=43001

Bring back BUSH, "the Golden Years"