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dalakhani 03-14-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman
This decision really makes very little sense, either there is something wrong with her or they are hitting the panic button.

Considering the connections, would you think that they would panic off of that performance? Neither of those guys strike me as being "scared to lose" types.

Coach Pants 03-14-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
"If I knew she wasn't going to win I wouldn't have ran her". Asmussen

What did I tell you this forum...

You can apply that to last year also with running in the Woodward against mediocre Bullsbay and Macho Again rather than trying real horses in the Travers. Then she skips the BC and now when she loses a 'Prep' which is designed to get the horse ready for a match up with Zenyatta, they once again duck, avoid the race. It's embaressing that they moved the race 1 week back to accomodate her.

But I told you so last year to all that bought into this marvellous campaign that she somehow faced the best. With racing there is always risk to losing, however with these connections the chance of winning does not equal the fear of losing. Let the excuses come via the fanclub.

If this wasn't dissapointing this would be actually funny.


hoovesupsideyourhead 03-14-2010 03:30 PM

managment at oak= suicidal..but hey could be they say she is kicking down the stalls and wants to go anyway..

Coach Pants 03-14-2010 03:31 PM

Churchill should be opening up the checkbook for a showdown on Derby Trial day.

What are the odds those morons step up to the plate?

Duvalier 03-14-2010 03:31 PM

Jackson just stated in his press release regarding not going to the Apple Blossom "We have a whole season before us to help define her greatness." The great sportsman has spoken...

CSC 03-14-2010 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That's funny, relax it's only horseracing.


freddymo 03-14-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier
Jackson just stated in his press release regarding not going to the Apple Blossom "We have a whole season before us to help define her greatness." The great sportsman has spoken...

This really means: I am fn PO'd that she isnt ready..I thought ASS would have had in tip top shape..Instead of shipping to Florida the idiot shipped to FG. Now I am a laughing stock...Pass my the Kendall Jackson Private Reserve I need to but a buzz on

Coach Pants 03-14-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
That's funny, relax it's only horseracing.




I R WRITE





pointman 03-14-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Considering the connections, would you think that they would panic off of that performance? Neither of those guys strike me as being "scared to lose" types.

I agree, which is why this decision defies reasoning. But at this point, considering the alternatives, I think it is fair to question whether they are panicking, otherwise, if she wasn't hurt, why wouldn't they take the month to train her to see if she is ready to run for $5 million?

Duvalier 03-14-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
This really means: I am fn PO'd that she isnt ready..I thought ASS would have had in tip top shape..Instead of shipping to Florida the idiot shipped to FG. Now I am a laughing stock...Pass my the Kendall Jackson Private Reserve I need to but a buzz on

He should send her to Ness...that guy gets results.

Coach Pants 03-14-2010 03:38 PM

Send her to Tim Ice Ice Baby

freddymo 03-14-2010 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier
He should send her to Ness...that guy gets results.

He really does. Chuck should send a spy in to see what junk is in the barn

Cannon Shell 03-14-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
He really does. Chuck should send a spy in to see what junk is in the barn

Yeah he could run her in the Tampa Sprint next year or drop her in for $16k.

Smooth Operator 03-14-2010 03:48 PM

No surprise


They don't want their (overrated) 'HotY' starting the new season 0-2.



Quack quack




Unbeaten :cool:

freddymo 03-14-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah he could run her in the Tampa Sprint next year or drop her in for $16k.

Make sure Bob drops a claim I think she would be worth a chance..

Ness bought some ok two year olds..Don't be so shocked to see him win a graded race or two real soon.

Cannon Shell 03-14-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Make sure Bob drops a claim I think she would be worth a chance..

Ness bought some ok two year olds..Don't be so shocked to see him win a graded race or two real soon.

They dont run too many graded stakes races at canterbury, thistle and Presque isle

CSC 03-14-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
No surprise


They don't want their (overrated) 'HotY' starting the new season 0-2.



Quack quack




Unbeaten :cool:

KFC is more appropiate. I wonder how many will convert to the good side due to this, afterall she supposedly ran a better number than Zenyatta did so what are they fearing. :rolleyes:

Indian Charlie 03-14-2010 04:00 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if this is just showmanship by Jackson. As others have noted, if she comes back working great, I'm going to expect the pressure to run her will be too great to ignore.

Smooth Operator 03-14-2010 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
KFC is more appropiate. I wonder how many will convert to the good side due to this, afterall she supposedly ran a better number than Zenyatta did so what are they fearing. :rolleyes:

Good question


Seeing the second-string Cali mare go by their filly yesterday must really have them freaked.

AeWingnut 03-14-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman
If Rachel doesn't show in the AB, you have to wonder if the Moss' are thrilled about Sheriff's decision to send Zardana against RA yesterday, even second place in the AB would have been worth a lot more than a win is worth now. It is not everyday you get to run for $5 million!


excellent point man. Sheriff's cost them big time. Rachel wins there is no excuse, they go to the Apple Blossum and get part of $5 mil. Now it's hardly a race of note.

freddymo 03-14-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
They dont run too many graded stakes races at canterbury, thistle and Presque isle

How could Assmussen not want to take shot at a 250k earn.. I get Jess not needing the money but Ass is not a billionaire

Danzig 03-14-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The problem is that for some reason not losing trumps proving yourself against the best competition. With very few exceptions (Personal Ensign) the best horses of modern times lost. It really isnt that big of a deal.


that's very true. i think some on here forget just how seldom a horse goes without losing. christ, i'd hate to see how some on here would have treated citation or dr fager!
but, i do think that jack/ass realize they were pushing rachel too quickly-they're backing off and regrouping. when she's ready, she'll run. then we'll see.

brianwspencer 03-14-2010 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I wonder how many will convert to the good side due to this

:zz: :zz:

My guess for the over/under is 0.

CSC 03-14-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
:zz: :zz:

My guess for the over/under is 0.

We've had our difference in views but you and I know if Zenyatta pulled out, this pro RA forum would be all over it. Really there is no excuse barring her being injuried to skip this race off a 3/4 length loss to a gr.2 winning mare in a prep race that was designed to give her fitness. The race was moved 1 week back to 1 month in between races to accomodate her, yet this still isn't enough to lure the HOY to race for 5 million dollars. Barring bending over I don't know what else can be done, you may find this very excusable but I am sure there are a few Rachel supporters that are getting tiresome of this act. If they are well good on them for having their eyes finally opened.

brianwspencer 03-14-2010 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
We've had our difference in views but you and I know if Zenyatta pulled out, this pro RA forum would be all over it. Really there is no excuse barring her being injuried to skip this race off a 3/4 length loss to a gr.2 winning mare in a prep race that was designed to give her fitness. The race was moved 1 week back to 1 month in between races to accomodate her, yet this still isn't enough to lure the HOY to race for 5 million dollars. Barring bending over I don't know what else can be done, you may find this very excusable but I am sure there are a few Rachel supporters that are getting tiresome of this act. If they are well good on them for having their eyes finally opened.

Would I, though? That's what matters when you're responding to me.

Whatever they want to do with their horse is good enough "excuse" for me, which has basically been my stance the entire time.

Count me still "on the bad side." Though I'm with miraja that I wish they would've waited to see how she was coming out of it before saying that. Knowing them, it's not even official yet.

Smooth Operator 03-14-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
excellent point man. Sheriff's cost them big time. Rachel wins there is no excuse, they go to the Apple Blossum and get part of $5 mil. Now it's hardly a race of note.


Wow … didn't realize Shirreffs owned Zardana…

Cannon Shell 03-14-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
How could Assmussen not want to take shot at a 250k earn.. I get Jess not needing the money but Ass is not a billionaire

He doesnt call the shots, that much has been pretty obvious since the day JJ bought her.

rgustafson 03-14-2010 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Wow … didn't realize Shirreffs owned Zardana…

He doesn't own Zardana and he sure isn't the one that cost anybody to lose anything. The owner od the horse ultimately calls the shots and it aint him.

Cannon Shell 03-14-2010 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
that's very true. i think some on here forget just how seldom a horse goes without losing. christ, i'd hate to see how some on here would have treated citation or dr fager!
but, i do think that jack/ass realize they were pushing rachel too quickly-they're backing off and regrouping. when she's ready, she'll run. then we'll see.

The problem with this theory is that her race should help get her ready to run next month, not hamper it. Of course this is taking the situation at face value.

hockey2315 03-14-2010 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The problem with this theory is that her race should help get her ready to run next month, not hamper it. Of course this is taking the situation at face value.

Exactly. That's the part I don't get. They should have at least waited a week to see how she's doing.

herkhorse 03-14-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Exactly. That's the part I don't get. They should have at least waited a week to see how she's doing.

or maybe a few days at least. Where's Paul Harvey when you need him?

Sightseek 03-14-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I think its great they didn't wait around to make this announcement. Good for them! They took a shot in the prep to see how she looked and it wasn't to their liking. That being the case- why run?

Hopefully, Rachel will be back sometime later in the spring or summer and we can see this go down.

Wouldn't you be pissed if they waited around for another week or two before making the announcement?

Me too.

Smooth Operator 03-14-2010 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rgustafson
He doesn't own Zardana and he sure isn't the one that cost anybody to lose anything. The owner od the horse ultimately calls the shots and it aint him.

Lol … was being sarcastic

Common knowledge that Zetcher wanted little z to crash RA's powderpuff-fest.



And quite a crash it was. :tro:

eajinabi 03-14-2010 05:44 PM

The Apple Blossom could still be Zardana Vs. Zenyatta. At least that would be more entertaining than the Pacquio vs Clottey fight last night.

AeWingnut 03-14-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Lol … was being sarcastic

Common knowledge that Zetcher wanted little z to crash RA's powderpuff-fest.



And quite a crash it was. :tro:


ok, Zetcher cost all parties a chance at $5 mil

happy

slotdirt 03-14-2010 05:50 PM

I'd have to imagine that Zenyatta's not going to Oaklawn on April 9th either, right? If they're going to take her out of her comfort zone, I'd think it would be for something more worthwhile than running against Careless Jewel or some other slob.

AeWingnut 03-14-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I'd have to imagine that Zenyatta's not going to Oaklawn on April 9th either, right? If they're going to take her out of her comfort zone, I'd think it would be for something more worthwhile than running against Careless Jewel or some other slob.

oh, haven't you heard - her best race was at Oaklawn

Danzig 03-14-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The problem with this theory is that her race should help get her ready to run next month, not hamper it. Of course this is taking the situation at face value.


yeah, it should. i'm just trying to figure out what they're thinking...which is useless really.

johnny pinwheel 03-14-2010 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
what do you mean? Haven't you heard of Zenyatta?!?

shes not invincible either, shes just better than rachel

PeteMugg 03-14-2010 06:54 PM

This could have been billed as the battle of the big dogs, plus the new shooter to spice things up.

BANG!

Hear that? Racing shoots itself in the foot, yet again.


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