Is there anyone who does not think they are both pretty special??.... as to who is better....until they actually face each other on dirt it's all just conjecture 'n bullshit proclaiming who's the better one.

And let's not forget that in this race she beat the winner of the previous year's BC Distaff (on dirt) in Ginger Punch.

Which is great. I have no doubt that she will put in a decent run at Oaklawn. Certainly horses shipping in from California have taken to the Oaklawn dirt recently. However, I still want to see her prove it on dirt against a quality horse like Rachel. I still think that if Rachel is a 100% fit she will be the better of the two.

However, I am not ready to crown either one until they hit the finish line in the Apple Blossem. Frankly, I hope that they are both fit and ready on 4/9 and answer the question that everyone has on the racetrack.

Z better be glad the other horse in her trainers stable ran at the fairgrounds today that's all I'm saying

They are both great, amazing horses, but Z is better.

:tro:

sadly, there are some who think one or the other isn't special, when in fact both are.

i didn't see either race. i'll have to go to twinspires to see the replays. we didn't get home in time from quiz bowl regionals (our team won, yay! my son was mvp-a bit of bragging is warranted i think!)....anyway, i hope they're both as close to 100% in a few weeks time as possible, and that they are still able to have the race.

so you are saying that Zardana beats Zenyatta today or any other day?

an opinion, but certainly not a fact as for the moment you can't prove it. you can give reasons til the cows come home for having that opinion....but that doesn't mean you proved it.

Hey genious, she is a 5 yo Mare. She's not gonna improve anymore. Unless switched to Wolfson of course.

One of them beat a field of pigs but did it stylishly after some trouble.

The other one was way short.

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in this game you make money when your opinion is correct and you lose when it is not.... I seem to recall your opinion being wrong at least as much as anyone elses

I wonder if Shirreffs/Zetcher would run Zardana against Zenyatta in the Apple Blossom. Jerry Moss seemed okay with it in the interview after Zenyatta's win. But if RA does not go in the Apple Blossom, the purse will drop dramatically.

actually, i think she's six now.

honestly tho--if i were the mosses, i wouldn't travel. keep her home and get the win streak record. not saying she'd lose travelling....but why mess with something when it's not broken? she hasn't shipped out of cali in a year, shipped and raced in two....
i have to wonder now how it's going to unfold. if jackson backs out, citing lack of readiness, zenyatta won't come anyway because the big purse goes away.

i see zardana staying and running in ark, and zenyatta staying in cali if rachel doesn't show.

Zeny had an easier group than did Rachel. Even though she won once she found some room. Zeny was running against a weaker group today for sure. Rachel on the other hand ran into a buzz saw today that horse can flat out fly.

He's gearing up to put $1,000 to win on Z in the Apple Blossem and if she wins he will no doubt bust out his pom poms and tell us he is the best handicapper in the world!

Deb, nice reboard on your sons win and mvp :D

lol
that poor quiz bowl sponsor has had one zeigler or another (and one year, kelly and eric at the same time) for eight years now. i asked her if she was ready to be zeigler-free?

we're heading to the state comp in a few weeks (april 10-wonder what races i'll miss?) and then he made the all-star competition.....

so glad he's graduating in a few months!



btw, didn't win a dime.

Although I'm sure they are a little dissapointed, I can imagine Jackson/Assmusan are too terribly upset in losing a prep race.

How is this different from making sure to always check a certain someone's NYRA picks before putting down YOUR money? At least he basically has his OWN opinion.

Enjoy the day's events.

having an opinion is good.... confusing opinion with fact is not so good

Unlike you, I don't have the time to pour over racing videos to obtain all the information that I would like to have before I make my selections. I am sure you will try to lump me into a speed figures guy, but frankly, I see them as only one piece of information to use with other factors in handicapping. Regardless of what you think of Serling, he provides valuable information to people like me who play the game for fun, not for a living. I would be a fool not to take time to factor that information into my handicapping.

The all-time win streak is 56 races, the feat of the Puerto Rican star Camarero in the 1950s. The top-international-class-racehorse record belongs to the legendary unbeaten Hungarian mare Kincsem with 54. Any other 'record' is an artificial construct, made by limiting by time (21st Century?) or location (US and Canada? The Caribbean Islands are usually counted as part of North America.) I doubt that Zenyatta's people are going campaign her to reach either of these two records.

Those "records" are not relevant. Puerto Rican racing in the 50's and Hungarian racing in the 1870's have no relation to modern racing. It is like insisting that the All time, single season HR king is Joe Bauman for his 72 hr season in 1954 for the class C Roswell of the Longhorn league.

Well said...One thing you know from Serling is he is telling the world exactly were his betting dollars are going if at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!What else do you want then that a Fat Chart?

I have nothing against Serling. I respect Serling, and his opinion, and always have. I consider Serling to be one of the best trip handicappers, if not the best, around. And, his game is constantly improving. I thought this was obvious.

This game is brutal and I'd be the last person to deny anyone the opportunity to do whatever it takes to cash a bet. Here, however, there are a number of different factions and I just never felt the need to go with the consensus.

Nothing more than that involved.

:rolleyes:


i'm talking about the record pepper's pride currently holds (sorry, miraja!) but you knew that. and yes, i think everyone is well aware of kincsem and her 54wins, irrelevant as it is.

i know, i was kidding about "he tried to lose" but that ride was a nightmare. he could of went 9 wide and still won going away.

No he wouldnt have , if he would have circled he would have got beat , he only won by little more than a length , he loses if he circles.

Looks like it was quicker ground in there. See Interactif fly on the turn (while running on the rail.) Caracortado looks like he's not getting his moneys worth out there, and then goes even wider coming into the stretch. In the 5th race, the winner seems to be running on better ground down there. After the race, you can see this animal still full of run on the 1st turn. Ditto the San Felipe winner. The winner of the 5th has had easy leads on this surface before, and still hadn't won here yet. He got run down late after being clear on a 1:14 pace. Today, they weren't coming. Some of that is due to that better ground down there today. That trainer isn't very good, and/or doesn't cheat. His horses don't usually look the way that winner did after the 5th race. I think he was enjoying better ground. There were some slow paces involved, but, still, I think they also had a lil better ground down there. Zenyatta had to run down the #1 horse, right? Down on the inside in the stretch (some lil rat with Garcia trying another thievery.) In the last race, some horse on the inside leads until late, and finally gets passed. I think Smith probably stayed down there for a reason. I think Atkinson probably didn't know that, or didn't care. I'd dump him now for the smarter money rider (Smith) if he's not already committed. Not saying he was gunna beat the soft pace leader, but he shouldn't of gone wide on a track that wasn't favoring the outside. A horse that is this hardcore (Caracortado) is often gunna get hurt in a situation just like this.

I think this is highly unlikely. The Apple Blossom has been Zenyatta's early season target. If the RA people duck the race, I can't imagine that Moss would "let them off the hook" by keeping Zenyatta in California.

I'd certainly bet Zardana over Zenyatta on dirt... but yeah, they only both run in the Apple Blossom if RA goes... obviously.

While watching both races I initially thought, "Wow, Zenyatta's still got it." and "Rachel's not as good as a Horse of the Year should be."

Then I realized that after long lay offs BOTH races were just preps for the main event--the Apple Blossom.

it only became her target a few weeks ago. if rachel doesn't go, the purse drops dramatically. no reason to ship then, and zardana is already close by. they both won't run if rachel fails to appear.


just saw that moss says they'll show regardless...we'll see.

. DITTO FOR HER OTHER 14 RACES.

I just saw this now.
How dare you bring up She Who Must Not Be Named!?!?

:mad: :( :mad:

:D