If that's the case, then, why worry about whether new owners to the game are going to make money or not, and do what you can to keep the stars on the track? On the one hand, you say, we need to attract new owners and keep them so they need to be able to attempt to make as much money as they can breeding. On the other hand, you say it's never been possible to make money racing no matter what (I think you're right, by the way).

Depending on breeding to keep racing afloat results, I think, in inflated sales prices because the horses are being sold as breeding prospects from the start.

Poor horse racing- depending on wealthy dynasties, then breeding syndicates, and now slots. It's really the ultimate charity case, isn't it?

Yeah sure

Again freddy he probably bred closer to 60 mares at 6k. Shareholders dont pay twice.

Here let me explain without delving into the the numbers which overwhelmingly prove my point. If he was making money, he wouldnt have given up so easily.

Chuck its 3 years of this shiiiit and nobody has caught on including NY..There was this guy named Bob Frankel who had such a career.. Nobody caught him(may he reat in peace) so now you are hoping ness isnt the next Frankel.. Between you and me what is he doing? It's Friggin magic or genius

I think the math is overwhelming in HIS favor.. He was paying 35 40 a day for training an how much was a shockwave machine and human grade DMSO.. He was tossed

If you had the money would you buy a racehorse?

He was paying way more than that freddy. He had to pay all the employees, etc. he was paying the costs of a trainer, not an owner. he paid all the costs plus salaries plus paid for the land and vans etc...

The guy didnt even have workmans comp insurance last year at Tampa. He is cheating plus preying on small tracks with a monied owner. What good horses does he have? Frankel just rolled over in his grave.

Ness was a VERY mediocre trainer until he had a sudden epiphany in Jan of 2007.

He was dealing with scum and paid them as such.. He took 3 mil out of the state X Philly Park and he still has the residual value of the horses.. He made a lot of good claims..More good then bad and most neutral.. The bad horses made al ot of purse money.. The reason Beattie and friends had him tossed was because he was taken 'their" purse money... Ness is part of the team so they leave him be..

He lost his ass.

Frankel, the legend, started like Ness. He will win graded stakes very soon and he will be a major force in racing UNLESS he is caught...Frankel never was and continued his rule on racing until his demise..

I loved Frankel...I think the Ness situation is very similar.. Frankel cheated and was the best cheater ever and because he was the very best got great owners to give him great stock..The tuna Fish didnt even care he was robbing him until it became so obvious he pitched him

He had no money to loss his ass.. You think this was Dinny? he is a working guy.You think the mortgage buz in NH and Vermont is killing it the last 3 years

I agree though I doubt many here will admit it.

http://www.boston.com/sports/other_s..._money/?page=4

I know how much it costs. He lost. Alot.

There is virtually no relation to what Frankel did and what ness has done except they both involve horses. Frankel was the leading trainer at the leading track in the US training against great horseman. He claimed and bought horses cheap and made them into top contenders in NY when NY was clearly the best racing in the country. Ness is winning at Canterbury, thistledowns and tampa. You can say what you want about Frankel and cheating but the guy was a great horseman. Ness?

My crime is I made more money at Penn National last year [$3.1 million] than any one owner made from any other track. It’s a tiny little racetrack in the middle of nowhere. So it was real simple. They wanted me out because they wanted to cut up that $3.1 million pie themselves.’’

Bonds was great too. And then he got better.

Frankel was a HoF horseman and a HoF cheat.. When you are both its an excellent recipe for success..

Ness bought a few 2 year olds training..the kid is magic and will be one of the top 5 trainers in the country in 5 years

he earned $3.1 in purses. He didnt make 3.1 million. I'm sure that isnt a net figure after he paid the cut to the jocks either. How many horses did it take to get that 3 million? were they free? He brags about the 31 he gave away for a dollar. Think he made on them? How many were claimed away at a price higher than he claimed them for 10%? How much do you think it costs to feed and bed 200 horses ? Think the farm he owned was given to him? Think the riders galloped for free? Think Adamo and Norman and that delahousse guy were volunteers? think the vans didnt cost money? How much you think he spent in gas to have 2000 runners last year? Think the guys driving the horse vans volunteered? Think his work comp insurance isnt expensive? You know how much the meds he gives cost even at wholesale prices?

lots of guys hit in single A

I will take your action on that

This thread is another in a series of epic - Sunday Silence and Easy Goer like duels between one guy who made his fortune selling Austin 3:16 T-shirts to WWF fans - and another guy who was shrewd enough to tell the Ramsey's to GFY.

100 horses at 7k each is 700k...let's say they have resale at 560k or 80% of the purchase price mind you some sold for 15k and some for a buck.. 2.5mil pays a lot of has been trainers hay and shock wave machines.. Gill was doing this to earn. Claim Rover Boy at Penn Nat on 3/10 for 5k off trombetta and see if you don't make money in 3 months?

Ooooo, a new DT addition?

You will have to win a shake and chuck will have to vet the shiiit out of the horse BUT you can not lose unless the horse breaksdown PERIOD

:wf

Its a horse that can run mig 70 BSF when you only need to run mif 60's to win 15k pots.. Its not if you are going to earn just when the colt needs to be farming potatoes in Lancaster County

21k a week for training another 10k a week vetting is 1.5 mil a year

It is hard to believe you actually own horses and yet have no idea that anyone that has over 2000 starters in a single year will pay far in excess for $3 million to keep them. Not even taking into consideration that that same person owns a large training facility that would be a huge expense in itself.

I have 23 horses in training. My payroll is around $4500 a week right now. My employees get industry standard pay.

He made 2000 starts last year. Your idea that he had 100 horses is about 50% shy. He treats every horse with EPM meds. That alone for 200 horses is 20k a month if he gets a huge bulk discount.

You're getting closer - the "d" is just to the left

where did Mr lost my ass in racing 3 other times get all this money from to lose AGAIN.. Maybe it was the raging NE mortgage market in 08 and 09? Especially after his bath is 05,06 and 7? You think people just love cutting checks for 40 k a week to race 5 claimers that fall?

I think you got the message if you want I can email you a paragraph were only the first and lasr letter of the word is in the correct sequence and your brain will unscramble the words effortlessly and a paragraph without 1 single properly spelled word will read as though it was proof read by the senior editor of the NY TIMES

Let me ask you a question. If he is making so much money why doesnt anyone else do it? I mean if you can win tons of races, get an eclipse award and make money how come no one else does it?

I have no idea how much he makes in his mortgage business but his horse racing operation cant make money. Unless he can turn water into wine...or hay.

Well, the real reason we'll have a triple crown winner in 2013 is because that will be the crop from which Indian Charlie's stud fee jumped way up to 75k.

Though, I was really thinking 2012 back around 2003.

He got soundly beat at even money by a horse Johnny Joe ran 2nd to in his prior start before running 2nd to the Wonder Pig on Saturday.

The table is set for the final leg of the winters greatest racing trilogy.

Wonder Pig VS Hawk Mountain III

If you can finally come out on top of that match-up ... maybe you should look into getting Starbucks to sponcer a match race between Wonder Pig and Robachino.