Slews are you looking for a fight here? :p

To this day, even now that Bellamy has been taken from him, Zito says he is the most talented horse he had to work with and I think Zito has seen his fair share of talent throught his years. (he is the trainer of Sun King after all :p )

Hey Sightseek! I've heard Zito say that on numerous occassions too, but remember he did say that Sun King was his favorite! :D

I see that you're not arguing the fact that Alex was clearly the best horse in the Derby though ;)

Perhaps....but I highly doubt he would have held up after that pace whether he had a popped splint or not.

Thats like saying that perhaps a tennis player may not have won a match whether he pulled a hamstring or not. Do you realize the sheer insanity involved with speculating on what a horse with a popped splint may have done without it? Before yo go out today for a jog, take a big ****ing hammer and bash your shin or ankle with it. Then get back to us after your jog and let us know how it went.

I don't agree. I think he would have held on. He finished 7th, injured. Not too bad considering the pace.

It never ceases to amaze ... how badly people can miss the point.

No one is bashing Giacomo ... we're just commenting on the goo-goos who were trying to convince us ... despite all evidence to the contrary ... that Giacomo is still a G1 race horse.

If you read my earlier posts on this thread ... and comprehended them ... which I know is asking a lot ... you'd realize that I'm a fervent supporter of Giacomo ... and dearly hope that he's given a decent opportunity as a stallion.

Hey, Steve ... is it possible to add a Remedial Reading Comprehension section to this site?

Sheeeeeesh !!!

Do I need to have several people running in front of me or can I be loose on the lead when I bash myself with a hammer?

Alex is more tactical than Bellamy but not as talented.

Feel better now? :D

I don't see why he couldn't be a grade one winner this year. He won a grade two this year... who's to say he couldn't win a grade one?

You can be loose if you want, just make sure you hit yourself real ****ing hard and then when you get beat we can all tell how much you suck for losing while limping.

LOL, is this supposed to be a compromise or something?:D

Actually Bellamy didn't walk away from the race limping. It was announced a few days later and they had tried to work him. I'd love to use the popped splint as an excuse to since I absolutely adore the horse but all of the horses crumbled at the finish, except Giacomo and Closing Arguement. Stupid Coolmoore...............

So now my friend Nick is a liar and you know more than he does about the horse? I will let him know!!!

You can believe what you want. Considering his connections believe the popped splint was from before the Derby I think it is quite the coincidence that he was able to run a mile in 1:36 before it started to bother him. Seems more likely to me that he just got tired. Certainly the splint didn't help him but even Zito says he thinks the lack of seasoning on the horse was as big a factor in his Derby performance as the popped splint. His Beyer in the Derby was a 90, only six points lower than his figure two races back and higher than any of his previous figures.

I am. .

Beyers are bologna. What was his rag sheet number?

No one called him a liar and actually I've discussed the horse with him as well.

He thinks the horse was incredible and that the pace was not his undoing. The splint was. His race in the Travers was the most incredible thing I have ever seen. He only had 4 works for the race off that injury layoff and at the beginning of the month he didn't even think he could make the Kings Bishop with him. He was asked to run him in the Travers and fought back in the lane even after he was passed and actually galloped out ahead of Flower Alley after the wire. Its one of the most incredible efforts I ever saw, EVER. 4 breezes after an injury layoff and he fights the whole way and gallops out ahead of the winner and crushes Roman Ruler who came back in his next start and gave RHT all he could handle.
His Travers was far more incredible than his Wood was and I guess it will never truly be appreciated.

I was extremely impressed by his Traver's, thought it was the best race he ever ran.

This is what the DRF said on the Tuesday following the Derby. I don't think Nick would have tried to work the horse that day if he was limping following the Derby:

Bellamy Road injured

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Bellamy Road, seventh as the favorite in the Derby, could make a return in the summer.
By MARTY McGEE
LOUISVILLE, Ky. - For Nick Zito, injury has been piled onto insult. Already struggling with the disappointment of seeing all five of his starters fare poorly Saturday in the Kentucky Derby, Zito discovered Tuesday morning that the most heralded of that quintet, Bellamy Road, has a popped splint bone that will force the colt to miss the Preakness and Belmont Stakes.
Zito came upon Bellamy Road's relatively minor injury as training wound down at Churchill Downs. Starting around dawn, Bellamy Road had been lightly jogged around the shed row and cooled out fine, but several hours later, Zito noticed that something was amiss. Subsequent X-rays revealed a BB-sized bump on the inside of the left front cannon bone.

"The bad news is he popped a splint," said Zito. "The good news is the X-rays are clean otherwise. There's no fracture, so he'll be back for the big races this summer."

A popped splint, technically known as exostosis, is the result of a slight hemorrhaging around the small splint bone, which is attached to the cannon bone. If neglected, the injury can grow, calcify, and become more painful for the horse. One standard remedy, and the one Zito has chosen for Bellamy Road, is for the affected area to be freeze-fired with liquid nitrogen, so as to arrest its progression. Healing time is relatively brief, in this case about 30 days, and Zito said he is optimistic that Bellamy Road could be back in time for major races such as the Travers Stakes at Saratoga in late August.

The splint injury may help to explain why Bellamy Road finished seventh as the 5-2 favorite in the Derby, which was won by Giacomo, a 50-1 shot.

Even with the setback, Zito still has three horses who might run in the May 21 Preakness at Pimlico: High Fly, Noble Causeway, and Sun King. After how those colts performed in the Derby, though - they ran 10th, 14th, and 15th - Zito is trying his best to put on a happy face.

"It's like your preachers around here say: there's always tomorrow," he said. "Is this disappointing? It's devastating. But we're going to fight through it. I always say, disappointment is inevitable when you have the kind of expectations we had. We had five horses - somebody told me the odds against that were a trillion to one - and we didn't get anything. Of course we're disappointed."

Zito said he is inclined to run one or two of his three remaining contenders in the Preakness and that his final decision will be based on how they train in the next few days. All three went back to the track early Tuesday but did nothing more strenuous than lightly jog.

"Whichever ones I decide on, they'll fly to Baltimore the Wednesday morning before the race," he said. "I definitely want to train them here."

While those three colts stay behind, Bellamy Road and the 30 or so other Zito horses who have been in Kentucky the last several weeks will be shipped to Belmont Park this weekend. Bellamy Road will not have to be turned out.

Zito already has ruled out his fifth Derby starter, Andromeda's Hero, for the Preakness, saying he will point to the Belmont. Andromeda's Hero was eighth in the Derby.


As for arguing the merits of the horse, you're wasting your breath as I probably adore the horse more than anyone out there, but even the best ones lose and not just because of injury.

It was a courageous performance considering the layoff and the competition he faced. Roman Ruler's stock was never higher at that time, and of course you had Flower Alley coming off a big peformance too.

Then you oughta know that splints arent like fractures and arent always noticed right away. I adored that horse. His Travers was the most inccredible display or raw talent and guts I ever saw. Noone I ever saw would have run a race like that off 4 slow breezes and 30 days training, noone. The fact that he actually took after FA after the wire and caught him tells me everything I need to know about what kind of guts this horse had. That and the fact that any other horse I ever saw who was hooked by a sharp fit horse like FA was who had only 4 slow breezes would have stopped to a walk. he actually came back at him after he was passed and kept going to the wire and after it. He was as game as any horse I ever saw in my life that day.

Then I take you weren't at Saratoga when Repent ran the same sort of race under the same sort of conditions against a demonstrably better horse (Medaglia d'Oro).

Yeah Ann I was there, but there was one huge difference, That race was run in sloppy conditions that one horse loved and one didn't. In addition, the winner was coming off a HUGE number in the Jim Dandy and had bounce written all over him. Frankel himself actually spoke about that one morning on the backside when a few of us were there. Even though his Dandy win was "easy" he ran a number that was just too fast on the sheets.
The sloppy track was a real equalizer and we both know that many short horses stretch out farther in the slop. You are in sad shape if you think you are gonna find one detail of one race run up here in the last 20 years that i won't know.

In addition the track favored outside closers STRONGLY that day and the pace was ridiculousy fast. I recall the final time to have been sundial like and the last 4f in absolutely glacial fractions. That race earned nowhere near the figure that last year's Travers got on the sheets but I don't wana confuse you with historical facts like track bias and fractions and circumstances.

Well in one post you tell someone to hit themselves with a hammer and go for a run and see how they feel and than you bring up the fact that splints are not noticed right away, which if his wasn't (and Zito did term it "invisible") than how much could you really say it affected him in the Derby? If it was SO bad, like hitting yourself with a hammer, I'd think it wouldn't be invisible now would it? Also, there is a debate on whether or not horses feel pain while running which is why they will continue to run while breaking down (:( ) because of the adrenaline. So in the end no one can really say for certain what got him but, only that unfortunately he did.

Also, for anyone who has been waiting for his return, unfortuantely he hasn't had a published work in over a month.

Sadly I don't think there will be a return.
I guess I'm gonna have to always remember him by that last race, the Travers, when he was trying so hard and battling with guts and raw talent even though he was up against it with his lack of works for the race. He proved his mettle that day, moreso in that loss than any victory he ever had.

I certainly agree with that and I will do cartwheels if somehow they can get that enormous mound of handsomeness back on the track. :D At least they have been trying; DRF did an article on how they were swimming him daily and doing other things to get him fit before he posted those few works.

He is a threat in any 2 turn race that has a 46"0 and 1:10 etc.If you don't believe that,all I can say is he already has won a grade 1 like that.You're saying he can't do it against older.I disagree.He can win a grade 1 against older(if it goes his way.)I don't believe(like you do)that he is class-limited.He is pace limited.We simply disagree on this.Now go btch about some other horse you think can't do something.

More sewer backup from the copy/paster who always mistakes quantity for quality.

Not much chance we'll ever get a cogent thought from this sausage machine ... is there?

But ... I agree wholeheartedly ...

... Giacomo will definitely win another G1 race ... the next time every other horse in the race collapses from exhaustion before the finish line.

Maybe he should revert back to the days of Eclipse ... and try four-mile heat races ... maybe by the third heat ... if it's a really hot, muggy day ... everyone else will throw in the towel.

Sort of like Joey Maxim "defeating" Sugar Ray Robinson on a 110° night.

Now ... if we could only get someone to put up about a million bucks for some 32f heat races ...