How big is Congress, again?.....1500 people?

Though previously used, I suspect that 'Deeming' has never been tested in the Supreme Court. I'll bet it will be tested if healthcare passes using this tactic.

From my novice point of view, it would appear to be unconstitutional in that a bill (identical language, not even as much as a single comma difference) must be voted on by both houses and passed (with ayes and nays recorded by name) before that bill can be presented to the president for his signature. The president then signs it into law or vetoes the measure and it would then be sent back to congress. The constitution is very clear and makes no mention of anything resembling a method by which a bill may be deemed to be passed.

Since I'm now working on my income taxes for 2009 and it looks like I owe, I may DEEM them to have been paid and save a few hundred bucks.

i don't think he's talking about reconciliation, but about 'deem and pass'.

you are joking, right? i thought everyone knew this? 435 reps, 100 senators.

Yes, that is what the article I posted talked about. Same thing. I agree it's confusing. Especially when the media isn't making it clear.

The Senate health reform bill - already passed with a supermajority - will be voted upon- unchanged - by the House (the passed House bill is done, the Senate will not vote upon that).

Within the same vote will be the House passing it's reconciliation package to that Senate bill. With the vote on these two items (one package voted upon), the Senate bill will be "Deemed" passed by the House, unchanged. At the same time, the reconciliations the House wants will be passed.

Then, the reconciliations go back to the Senate for a vote. Either way, the Senate bill has been passed, unchanged, by the House. It can either then be reconciled, or go straight to the Pres for signature unchanged. The House wants to make changes, thus the reconciliations starting there.

sorry...I was counting the czars and their staff also:p

What is the big rush? Reeks of no confidence. The Dems in the House don't trust the Dems in the Senate., but they want us to trust them?

Big rush? We've been dinking around with this for a year. Help us, pass it, and get back to eliminating and crippling Al Quaida! :tro:

Didn't Holder just say that Bin Laden would never be taken?

dont confuse her with the facts!

With all the deals this shady SOB of a President has made. Unfortunately we have to deal this worthless piece of **** until 2013. He would make a great host for Lets Makes A Deal in 2013. Hopefully the American public will wake and realize he is the biggest disgrace of a President that this great country of ours has had.

He said never taken alive ;)

I hear he says the same about you ;)

candidate for "comeback of the year":p

Okay, guys, here it is: the final bill, and the final CBO accounting of cost that came out today. Looks like a Sunday-Monday vote.

The actual bill is at the bottom of this page http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_502543.html

The bottom line - that's 32 million people we no longer will be paying for in our insurance premiums.

OK -- let's say you're right. You're not paying for them in your insurance premiums. You're most certainly paying for them a lot more than that in taxation, and interest on huge sums of borrowed money -- at least for as long as China is still willing to lend it.

Of course, the welfare crowd doesn't care in any case because they don't pay for anything. That's left to us suckers who work.

Im sure he says the same about you also.

As some astute person observed--if we can save a trillion in 20 years by insuring 30 million more people, then why not insure all the people in China and completely pay off the national debt? Even better, include India and we will all be rolling in cash. How simple this is.

That sounds like a great idea since this country is already helping every other country out. Might as well include all the illegals that are in this country. Im sure that will happen if this ridiclous bill is passed. This country is already kissing all the illegal's ass'.

So he endorses murder but not torture?

:zz: No, he was talking about bin Laden's fellow soldiers not allowing him to be captured alive.

Ah soldiers now? See military tribunals were right all along!

Hell the good ole USA Government now owns banks,car builders and now health care. They're the Johnson and Johnson of the world now. Who can I write about this ****? My god people already get free health care as it is.

This voting process seems like one big party, surprised some of these old people are still awake......

Interesting to see how this all works....the claim is this is a growth of govt but its going to cost us less. Lol. Call me skeptical.

If people stop going bankrupt from having a sick family member, then I'm all for it. If poor people can get something treated before it's too late, then I'm all for it. If you don't care about others, then you're not gunna get it. So, don't try to figure it out. It's better than blowing money by sending our inept military into Muslim Beehives (where the scum citizenry is on the side of the thugs.) We know how that goes. If you don't have honorable babysitters to turn the reins over to, then how are you ever going to really hold anything long term? It's stupid. Don't fight for land if you don't have someone decent to turn it over to. You need a better plan than that.

Health care might have stayed dead if the insurance companies hadn't started raising rates about 2-3 weeks after Massachusetts elected that Republican for Senator. They're brazen.

:D

A girl I work with was crying with happiness. Their baby had kidney problems when she was born, and has been uninsureable ever since. Child is just two years old now. Husband in the reserve. Terrible situation.

Not anymore :tro:

Clueless.

I don't think anyone likes going to the Doctor. So, I don't know how it can be like Christmas. It's more like the end of a war. One could see it to be somewhat like a birthday party for the working poor, but there are protections in here for all consumers.

How you view this as a negative is beyond comprehension. Show some compassion for your fellow American. You make it sound like the guy will suddenly gorge himself on doctor visits and prescriptions when in fact he's just happy to not have to sweat his diabetes at full cost. YOU ARE NOT PAYING FOR HIM! END OF STORY!!! WHEN YOU ARE COMPLAIN AWAY!!!

I don't get how you can say here that the President doesn't care about the retired military and on the other thread say you have great health coverage? Isn't that quite contradictory? When he takes it away, then you can complain away.

A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. ~~~Thomas Jefferson

:tro: :tro:

Yeah, knowing that her kid can now get insurance for the kidney transplant she may need in 10 years is pretty clueless. Doesn't she know we now live in a communist, socialist, marxist, kenyan state? Geesh.

Joe Biden
 

:D Joe ....

Repeal