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freddymo 03-03-2010 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I respectfully disagree, 2005 at Belmont was VERY, VERY cold.

Wasn't great ... The turf course was OK but the day kind of sucked.. Too be fair it could have been 70 and sunny

tector 03-03-2010 08:01 PM

2001 and 2005 were very cold at Belmont.

Kasept 03-08-2010 06:48 AM

CANDOR AND THE CUP
By Ray Paulick

I was all set to name Satish Sanan the winner of the first annual John Mayer Foot in Mouth Award for comments he made on Steve Byk’s “At the Races” Sirius/XM satellite radio show last Tuesday from which he was quoted in a Bloodhorse.com article as saying Churchill Downs was the “worst” racing organization and each of the Breeders’ Cups at Lone Star Park and Monmouth Park was a “disaster.”

Then I thought I’d better listen to the show before throwing Sanan under the bus with Mayer, the pop star who made some outrageous remarks in a just-published Playboy magazine interview about former girlfriends Jessica Simpson and Jennifer Aniston, among other subjects. Since the interview was published, Mayer, a profilic Twitterer, said he has “been trying to prove to people I’m not a douche bag.”

For what it’s worth, I don’t think Sanan has to take that drastic of a measure.

FULL COLUMN: http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/candor-and-the-cup/

CONCLUSION: This industry needs people with the candor, the fresh perspective and the creative business acumen that Sanan has brought to Breeders’ Cup and other industry organizations, including the Thoroughbred Owners and Breeders’ Cup, where he is member of a committee addressing issues related to structural changes and horse racing’s broken business model.

The candor sometimes gets him in trouble. “There is a group of people particularly pissed off at me,” he said on the radio show, “not as to what I’m trying to achieve or what the group is trying to achieve, (but about) what I had said about the alphabet soup organizations…People are taking it personally, some of the officers of some of these organizations. Candidly, the old saying in business is if you are trying to solve a business problem, generally speaking people who are part of the problem are people who are going to object to it.”

It’s that kind of candor and blunt talk that doesn’t endear Sanan to some people, but I get the feeling he doesn’t really care about that. We haven’t gotten very far in this business by having boards who rubber stamp cautious executive decisions, discourage open dialogue, and keep electing the same people year after year after year.

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-08-2010 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tector
2001 and 2005 were very cold at Belmont.


So was 1990

freddymo 03-08-2010 07:01 AM

I hope Padua wins the Derby this year. Then Satish can really go Hog Wild

GenuineRisk 03-08-2010 08:59 AM

Satish is one of the figures profiled in Glenye Cain's The Home Run Horse, which I just finished. Entertaining read. Came out in 2004. It was fun looking up some of the horses mentioned in the book that were sold at auction in 2003 and finding out what they did on the track, if anything.

Kasept 03-10-2010 05:23 PM

Sanan: Listen to Message, Understand Context
By Tom LaMarra

Updated: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:08 AM
Posted: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:44 AM

Breeders’ Cup board member Satish Sanan said March 9 he has reached out to several industry officials he may have offended with comments made on a satellite radio program, but it’s time to move on and work to improve the economics for Thoroughbred racing.

Sanan, on the March 2 edition of “At the Races With Steve Byk” on SIRIUS/XM, offered his views on the ongoing efforts by Breeders’ Cup to hammer out a plan for future host sites of the World Championships. Sanan, in response to questions from callers, shed some light on what Cup officials are considering and why in the context of a strategic plan.

Sanan said he “made peace with two or three industry constituents,” including the heads of Churchill Downs Inc. and the New York Racing Association.

“I wear my passion on my sleeve,” said Sanan, a longtime racing fan who has invested about $150 million as a Thoroughbred owner and breeder. “I’m candid, and when I’m too passionate, my words come in the way of my message. People really need to listen to the message I’m trying to convey.

“Nobody wants this industry to succeed more than I do.”

randallscott35 03-10-2010 05:27 PM

Satish's honesty is refreshing. We need more like him.

Kasept 03-30-2010 07:14 AM

Extensive piece by Ray Paulick this morning, (based on his exchanges with Cup consultant Bill Field), explaining the strategy behind Santa Anita as a BC 'home'.

We will expand on with it with Satish this afternoon on ATR...

THE CASE FOR A CALI CUP
By Ray Paulick

The recommendation, not surprisingly, has been met with criticism, from several fronts. Easterners feel they are at a distinct disadvantage when shipping horses to California. Horseplayers are focused on their dislike of the Pro-Ride synthetic track at Santa Anita (which has produced two consecutive injury-free renewals in 2008-09). Many Kentucky breeders want to be able to drive to Churchill Downs to attend the event, especially when it is scheduled right on top of the breeding stock sales at Fasig-Tipton and Keeneland.

I asked Field, who consulted with English soccer’s Premier League during a phenomenal growth period, how a group of Kentucky breeders could realistically be convinced that it is in their best interest to approve a plan to relocate the Breeders’ Cup 2,000 miles away. They might agree in principle that a dramatic and bold step is needed to infuse the Breeders’ Cup with additional revenue, but what would convince them to put the interests of the organization ahead of their own self-interest?

“Make no mistake,” Field replied by email, “if all the right elements of a deal can be put in place, Santa Anita will be the best place for Breeders’ Cup to maximize its impact. With the sport facing such difficult times, the success that Breeders’ Cup can have there will make a real difference–not least to the benefit of those Kentucky-based breeders you refer to. So, I’m not sure I agree with the implication in your question that having Santa Anita as the long-term location won’t actually be in the interests of those breeders.”

Antitrust32 03-30-2010 07:34 AM

well, after this year I dont have to bother watching the BC, unless they put dirt on the main track again.

tector 03-30-2010 08:27 AM

I see that it remains neck and neck as to which sport has been more destroyed by its leadership (or, the lack thereof): horse racing or boxing. Both had great traditions and a prominent place in the American sport consciousness, but they have both been completely marginalized over the past couple of generations.

randallscott35 03-30-2010 08:29 AM

I will boycott the Breeders Cup if it has a permanent home....at least the first race.

Kasept 03-30-2010 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tector
I see that it remains neck and neck as to which sport has been more destroyed by its leadership (or, the lack thereof): horse racing or boxing. Both had great traditions and a prominent place in the American sport consciousness, but they have both been completely marginalized over the past couple of generations.

While there is plenty correct about laying aspects of the struggles of boxing and racing at the feet of their respective leadership(s), there is something far more basic at the heart of the erosion of their 'prominent place in the American sport consciousness'. The fundamental societal differences and changes in post WWII America have more to do with boxing and racing losing their position than mismanagement.

randallscott35 03-30-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
While there is plenty correct about laying aspects of the struggles of boxing and racing at the feet of their respective leadership(s), there is something far more basic at the heart of the erosion of their 'prominent place in the American sport consciousness'. The fundamental societal differences and changes in post WWII America have more to do with boxing and racing losing their position than mismanagement.

I agree and isn't it ironic that things like UFC have become more mainstream than boxing and do as well Pay Per View wise. Strange.

herkhorse 03-30-2010 08:40 AM

(which has produced two consecutive injury-free renewals in 2008-09)

:rolleyes:

randallscott35 03-30-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse
(which has produced two consecutive injury-free renewals in 2008-09)

:rolleyes:

To Turfway Park we go....Gaining Ground is Zenyatta.

tector 03-30-2010 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
While there is plenty correct about laying aspects of the struggles of boxing and racing at the feet of their respective leadership(s), there is something far more basic at the heart of the erosion of their 'prominent place in the American sport consciousness'. The fundamental societal differences and changes in post WWII America have more to do with boxing and racing losing their position than mismanagement.

Sure there was some of that. But there was plenty that was self-inflicted. For example, both badly handled the rise of television--boxing would put its "everyday" product on TV, but foolishly restricted its premier events to a pay model. Could you imagine if the NFL had done the same thing?

But back to today--why would any sport put its premier event, from the perspective of its core fan base, on a surface they detest? And this is just not any sport--it is a sport utterly dependent upon those same fans wagering money on that event? I mean, not only is that stupid, but it is arrogant. Moreover, that same surface not only disfavors many stars of the sport, but actually promotes the interests of foreign entries over domestic ones. It is a decision so stupid, in so many ways simultaneously, that if someone was deliberately determined to sabotage horse racing in the in the US, they would have been hard-pressed to devise such a scheme. But, somehow, the clever folks at the BC have managed the feat.

IF SA goes back to dirt, then this move is arguable. Absent that, it is a disaster.

philcski 03-30-2010 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Extensive piece by Ray Paulick this morning, (based on his exchanges with Cup consultant Bill Field), explaining the strategy behind Santa Anita as a BC 'home'.

We will expand on with it with Satish this afternoon on ATR...

THE CASE FOR A CALI CUP
By Ray Paulick

The recommendation, not surprisingly, has been met with criticism, from several fronts. Easterners feel they are at a distinct disadvantage when shipping horses to California. Horseplayers are focused on their dislike of the Pro-Ride synthetic track at Santa Anita (which has produced two consecutive injury-free renewals in 2008-09). Many Kentucky breeders want to be able to drive to Churchill Downs to attend the event, especially when it is scheduled right on top of the breeding stock sales at Fasig-Tipton and Keeneland.

I asked Field, who consulted with English soccer’s Premier League during a phenomenal growth period, how a group of Kentucky breeders could realistically be convinced that it is in their best interest to approve a plan to relocate the Breeders’ Cup 2,000 miles away. They might agree in principle that a dramatic and bold step is needed to infuse the Breeders’ Cup with additional revenue, but what would convince them to put the interests of the organization ahead of their own self-interest?

“Make no mistake,” Field replied by email, “if all the right elements of a deal can be put in place, Santa Anita will be the best place for Breeders’ Cup to maximize its impact. With the sport facing such difficult times, the success that Breeders’ Cup can have there will make a real difference–not least to the benefit of those Kentucky-based breeders you refer to. So, I’m not sure I agree with the implication in your question that having Santa Anita as the long-term location won’t actually be in the interests of those breeders.”

There are flat-out LIES in this piece. (1) "On the plus side, New York is the media capital of the U.S. (though the media has pretty much ignored the Breeders’ Cup)". This is absolutely not true. The NY Post runs 4-5 full color pages a DAY for the week running up to the Cup, regardless of location. The LA Times... not so much. (2) "but there are disadvantages to putting the Louisville, Ky., track in a heavy Breeders’ Cup rotation. Poor weather, a small media market". Media market statistics assumes that consumer penetration is equal amongst all locations. If I were selling shovels on a TV commercial, would I expect more people to watch in Florida or Minnesota? LA has a laughably bad sports history supporting their teams (outside of the Dodgers and Lakers), let alone interest in a sport 90% of the local population would never attend. How about comparing actual potential viewers? 10% of 17 million isn't different from 40% of 4 million (the population within 90 minutes of Louisville.) (3) "If Breeders’ Cup can generate a 50% revenue increase over five years from sources that are driven by being at Santa Anita–seating and wagering revenue, increased sponsorships and state support–then it is very hard to argue against." Even the most pie-in-the-sky optimists can see a 50% growth target would be near impossible to attain, especially when you consider a large portion of your target wagering audience could potentially walk away if they never got to see the event live locally.

Don't get me wrong- I love Santa Anita, but to have it as a permanent host completely defeats the vision of the initial BC.

viscount26 03-30-2010 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
:D I muddled through a few glasses of scotch from the stands, but it really was cold.

Next time you should watch from Austin's. I'll try to book some entertainment :D

Cannon Shell 03-30-2010 12:15 PM

Apart from the surface issue, like Phil I dont see anything that makes their case and in fact think they are going completely in the wrong direction. While weather can be a nuisance to the on track customers the vast majority of money is bet off track. Having a West Coast BC also makes for an early start for the on track patrons which cant be considered a positive. Marketingwise I dont see how having the event at the same place year after year cant get a little stale to the local media. It isnt as though marketing has helped the industry in CA, especially with traditional cards like the Big Cap which 20 years ago was still a major event that drew 70000+. Selling the industry year after year to CA when the sport is facing serious hurdles there and the everyday racing is in decline is a strange philosophy. So there are 17 milion visitors to CA a year? What the hell does that have to do with anything? Why not hold it at Disneyland?

The Breeders Cup board has to decide just exactly it wants the Breeders Cup to be. Right now they are selling it as something different that what they seemingly believe it to be. Like so many others in the business, they simply dont understand that the best way to improve business is to improve the product, not selling primo seats, squeezing out sponsorship money or tricking people that a permanant host is a swell idea.

Seriously it is the least of my worries as a horseman. I wont nominate any of my foals to the BC because simply having them in a regional state breeding program is more than enough reward. I dont currently have a whole lot of contenders in the barn (though being at AP on a synthetic surface probably would be an advantage over my eastern counterparts if I did). I rarely spend a lot of money betting the 2 days races. But it is important because it is the biggest event in my business in the fall and even if it falls short as a true championship day the marginalization of the event is not a good thing. And you can talk all you want about the reasons why it should have a permanent site but that will serve to marginalize it regardless.


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