...and don't forget the fine work done by the FDA!

Americans are so spoiled and so lucky to be born in this country.

mabye that's why we expect things to be done correctly by companies that affect the public, and why we expect to have elected officials that have the public interest at heart. .....rather than what we have....

Try to spend one day without using any of the benefits we get from our government.

the benefits were here long before this current Congress

government doesn't give us benefits, its takes our wealth and redistributes it.

try spending just one day in the private sector without sending a wad of cash to our government.

all of which we pay for. it's not as tho it's some charitable deity living on a mountain, bestowing it's largesse. lol gimme a break. the govt makes no profit, produces no goods-it feeds off it's citizens hard work.

No thank you

I thought "freedom of choice" was a hallmark of of Liberal thinking. What if someone "chooses" to not buy an insurance policy? I don't feel sorry for someone who chooses not to get insurance when it is offered at a reasonable price then sings the blues when they have a health problem and try to get insurance to pay their medical bills only to be turned down for a "pre-existing condition". Forcing young heathy people to buy in would help foot the bill for others (the whole premise for insurance to work, and part of the premise of Obamacare). It would be better accomplished without the Govt. mandating what coverage you should have, and allowing companies to offer different detailed plans from a list of different options for people to choose from. Some could be basic skeleton plans and some could be caddy plans like the ones enjoyed by union members and Govt. employees. We (the taxpayer) should pay for NO insurance for members of Congress.

They do have a way to pay for it. Drill for oil off-shore. That would help not only their situation, but that of America. Or they can suck it out of the rest of us in Federal bailouts, without any regard to the fact that they have no one to blame except their own failed Progressive policies that are also this administrations vision for America.

This is a time when it almost sounds like you are starting to get it!
Sounds a lot like what is going on with the Federal Govt. doesn't it? Doing the same crazy sh!t over and over while expecting a different result is, well, the definition of crazy. This Utopian vision of the world lives in the minds of most Progressives.

If the house passes the Senate Bill there is no need for "reconciliation". It goes straight to Obama for his lefty signature. Do you understand how this all works? That is why the fight in the house is so crucial. If they make CHANGES to the bill, it goes back to the Senate for a new vote. Then and only then does "reconciliation" rear it's ugly head.

exactly. obama and pelosi are working the house, promising to make any changes they want if they just trust them, and vote for the bill as is. lol if their lips move, a pol is lying.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...LEFTTopOpinion


President Obama may wind up just signing the Senate bill into law no changes whatsoever -- preserving some of the most egregious elements that made the Senate bill such a public lightning rod.

These include not just the "Cornhusker Kickback," "Louisiana Purchase" and other special-interest deals rolled into the Senate bill last December to buy wavering Democratic votes. Democrats also would have to explain all over again why 800,000 seniors in Florida will be spared Medicare Advantage cuts, while those elsewhere won't.


Meanwhile, President Obama met with 20 undecided House Democrats yesterday in private. He urged them to put aside their political concerns and vote for the Senate bill in the interests of duty and country. "It's always a bad sign when a chief executive tells members of Congress of his own party to ignore the politics," says presidential historian Al Felzenberg. "It usually means he's got a bad product."

are we spoiled because of our govt, or because of our hard work and ingenuity? the govt didn't give me my skills or my job, my husbands either. we earned where we are. this is sanctimonious crap.

how can you like Obama and not like Carter when Obama is Carter to the power of 10?

Obama Now Selling Judgeships for Health Care Votes?
 

Tonight, Barack Obama will host ten House Democrats who voted against the health care bill in November at the White House; he's obviously trying to persuade them to switch their votes to yes. One of the ten is Jim Matheson of Utah. The White House just sent out a press release announcing that today President Obama nominated Matheson's brother Scott M. Matheson, Jr. to the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit.

“Scott Matheson is a distinguished candidate for the Tenth Circuit court,” President Obama said. “Both his legal and academic credentials are impressive and his commitment to judicial integrity is unwavering. I am honored to nominate this lifelong Utahn to the federal bench.”

Scott M. Matheson, Jr.: Nominee for the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit
Scott M. Matheson currently holds the Hugh B. Brown Presidential Endowed Chair at the S.J. Quinney College of Law, University of Utah, where he has been a member of the faculty since 1985. He served as Dean of the Law School from 1998 to 2006. He also taught First Amendment Law at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government from 1989 to 1990.

While on public service leave from the University of Utah from 1993 to 1997, Matheson served as United States Attorney for the District of Utah. In 2007, he was appointed by Governor Jon Huntsman to chair the Utah Mine Safety Commission. He also worked as a Deputy County Attorney for Salt Lake County from 1988 to 1989. Prior to joining the University faculty, Matheson was an associate attorney from 1981 to 1985 at Williams & Connolly LLP in Washington, D.C.

Matheson was born and raised in Utah and is a sixth generation Utahn. He received an A.B. from Stanford University in 1975, an M.A. from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar, and a J.D. from Yale Law School in 1980.

So, Scott Matheson appears to have the credentials to be a judge, but was his nomination used to buy off his brother's vote?



Consider Congressman Matheson's record on the health care bill. He voted against the bill in the Energy and Commerce Committee back in July and again when it passed the House in November. But now he's "undecided" on ramming the bill through Congress. "The Congressman is looking for development of bipartisan consensus," Matheson's press secretary Alyson Heyrend wrote to THE WEEKLY STANDARD on February 22. "It’s too early to know if that will occur." Asked if one could infer that if no Republican votes in favor of the bill (i.e. if a bipartisan consensus is not reached) then Rep. Matheson would vote no, Heyrend replied: "I would not infer anything. I’d wait to see what develops, starting with the health care summit on Thursday."

The timing of this nomination looks suspicious, especially in light of Democratic Congressman Joe Sestak's claim that he was offered a federal job not to run against Arlen Specter in the Pennsylvania primary. Many speculated that Sestak, a former admiral, was offered the Secretary of the Navy job.

Hardly. The comment was in regards to some people on this list who repeatedly, broadly and stupidly paint all government with the same broad brush of their ignorance.

Some are apparently to dense to realize that their ability to sit on an internet list and spout off, complaining about our government in broad, general first-grade terms while completely ignoring - or being ignorant of - the thousands of other ways our government has made life in this country better - is the sanctimonious crap.

It's just more, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" - type true ignorance.

Someone thinks the FDA is worthless or useless? Go ahead. Abolish it as Arl Jim would love to see, and see what happens to your safety and lifestyle. FCC? Same thing. Agriculture? The Federal Court system?

Welcome back to life in the Third World. Your hard work and ingenuity will serve you well, but you sure won't enjoy the lifestyle and safety you have now. Who gave you the environment to be able to "earn where we are". Your government.

What a ridiculously inaccurate statement.

The options here are essentially:

1) Complete crap
2) Nearly-complete crap
3) Nearly-complete crap poorly disguised as something that isn't crap.

4) Single-payer :tro:

a fear monger means anyone who thinks its a bad idea..and by the way obama has not read it.on page two he got up and looked at himself in the mirror.

:D :tro:

Single payer? Naw, look at single payer! It's terrible! Canadians, the English and the French are falling like flies due to their terrible healthcare system. In the US, Medicare has killed off all the old people, they are dying in the streets due to the terribleness of single payer healthcare .... whoops.

The GOP says they are going to campaign this fall on repealing any healthcare reform passed.

If the GOP thinks that is the ready ticket to political and re-election success, then why don't they just step aside and let the Dems pass it?

Who said anything about charity? You think you don't get hidden benefits every single day from living in this country? The roads you drive, the water you drink, the food you buy, the medicine you buy, the TV you watch, your mail, your banks, the air you breath? Gimme a break.

Who exactly called for the complete abolishment of the govt? The difference between the govt serving its citizens and becoming intrusive is a fine line that you seem not to see. The fact that the GROWTH of govt that is seen by many to be troubling seems to elude you. The idea that the govt can run any business in an effective or efficent manner is not bourne out by the dismal performance of many govt run industries and the gaping money pits that many govt programs have become.

And geeshus cripes, basic reading comprehension continually fails you, Simon.

You need to read some of your posts. Do you even realize what you write? Seriously...

you made it sound as tho i should be grateful, that all i have comes from the govt. i disagree with that. those hidden benefits, folks like me pay for. i know where roads come from, i'm well aware of who pays for much of what others receive. people like me. you say the govt allows me to have what i have? i say it's because of people like me we have a govt that has money to pass out to others, and a way to pay for all the 'hidden' benefits. this govt is of and for the people. you seem to have that backwards. it's because of people like me, my husband, my uncle, untold cousins, my sons, my nephews, that we have what we have-that you have what you have.

oh, and my water comes from a very deep well in my yard.

ah, irony

Ah. I see the problem. You are still confusing the nonsensical things you make up out of thin air and attribute to me, with reality.

Are you kidding?

I take responsibility for the things I write, but not the things people assume or make up in their heads.

Nope. Didn't say that at all. Don't think it in the least.

Nope. You've completely missed the point of what I wrote.

Ah, completely missed the point.

You have made numerous posts insinuating that those who may not be as infatuated with our govt as you seem to be are dense or stupid or ignorant. I was merely pointing out that you have for the most part misinterpreted the disdain that we have for an expanding role of govt and the govts general ineptness in many areas (most self inflicted). Of course I didnt "personally attack" you or call you names so your responses have been, in the words of Danzig, ironic.

And I am merely pointing out that repeatedly, your assumptions, presumptions, and wild-azzed guesses about what I am insinuating are just a bunch of wrong crap.

What you insinuate is mostly crap, that I will agree with.

not at all. you tend to be the one to cry insult first, but that post was rather insulting. you pretty much think anyone who doesn't see things as you do is stupid. but the ironic part is that you can't even spell 'too' while talking about others being dense.

you're so unbelievable.. we pay more for those "benefits" than we do for ANYTHING else.. like 25% of our darn paycheck.

You act like they are free or somethign.

hey idiot.. she knows that. You for some reason make it sound like its "free" when these benefits are as expensive as our houses.. or more.

our health care quality is a million times better than Canadians.. why do you think Canadians who can afford it come to America to get it?

I will. Shes outta her mind. And unfortunately our POTUS has a similar line of thinking.

Of course it is, because you think the way you do, no matter what someone actually says :D

Sorry, your assumption is wrong. I don't think anybody who thinks differently than I do is stupid.

And yes, when certain posters here - the same ones, over and over - can't seem to keep to debating subject, and start instead snarking at and insulting the posters, rather than the content, it is what it is. Sorry you don't like to see it named.

Some here can't stand the Dems, or Obama, and anybody who posts opposite to what they believe is snarked at or insulted, sworn at, etc. It's all some on this board can come up with.

Yeah, that behaviour isn't as "dense" as mistyping "too" :rolleyes: