He's ridden in just 6 Derby's on horses like Desert Party, Monba, Sam P. and High Limit. He got a 2nd with the impossible Bluegrass Cat.

His Preakness mounts have been: Giant Moon, Xchanger, Diabolical, Scrappy T, Foufa's Warrior, Equality, and Bay Eagle ... it's like a who's who of horses that suck... and he was 2nd with the impossible Scrappy T.

He's had just one career mount in the Belmont Stakes - on a mega longshot named Caimen who just ran for a $2,500 claiming tag at Beulah the other day.

There's your 0-for-14 lifetime TC record.

and what is the BC record why did you convinetly leave that out?

but let me guess the trainer of that horse got lucky and if ramon wasn't riding that day the horse would have finished 8th right drugs???

what did Dominquez screw your girlfriend or something? I dont get the hate?

Dominguez' mounts routinely have outperformed their odds in the Breeders' Cup.

Ramon A. Dominguez 24/1-4-4-2 ($4,389,350.00)

Battle Won (S, 2005) 11th, 16-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2004) WON, 28-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2005) 7th, 8-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2006) 2nd, 18-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2007) 4th, 8-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2008) 8th, 36-1
Cannonball (TS, 2009) 3rd, 6-1
Cocoa Beach (CHI) (LC, 2008) 2nd, 8-1
Dance Away Capote (JF, 2004) 5th, 16-1
Dean's Kitten (JT, 2009) 6th, 55-1
Fabulous Strike (S, 2008) 5th, 7-1
Friendly Island (S, 2006) 2nd, 59-1
Gio Ponti (JT, 2007) 8th, 8-1
Gio Ponti (C, 2009) 2nd, 12-1
Miraculous Miss (FMS, 2008) 4th, 38-1
My Cousin Matt (S, 2004) 3rd, 61-1
Passage of Time (GB) (FMT, 2007) 3rd, 3-1*
Remarkable News (VEN) (M, 2007) 7th, 16-1
Rob Roy (M, 2006) 5th, 23-1
Sky Diva (JF, 2008) 3rd, 4-1
Unbridled Belle (LC, 2007) 5th, 6-1
Wild Gams (FMS, 2007) 9th, 11-1
William's Kitten (J, 2009) 8th, 78-1
Xchanger (DM, 2007) 6th, 8-1

i don't hate the guy at all , he is a very good rider , maybe the best in the game right now maybe close to the best depending on who you talk to

but would you not agree with me that before it's over and we crown him he should win some of racing most important races - ie the TC races or BC races

are those races not the most important races in the country every year?


i can make an argument that todd pletcher is the best trainer in the country and all i hear on here is that he stinks because he is 0 for 30 in the derby , doesn't win eneough bc races - todd may train another 25 years or longer who knows, maybe before it's over he will win the derby many times and maybe ramon will ride some derby winners for him , but tell me why , if both of these guys have a long way to go in their career only 1 can be crucified on here for not getting it done at this point , that does not seem fair to me


why is ok to bash pletcher for his failure to date in these races and ramon gets off scott free

again am i to believe that without ramon on the "impossible" bluegrass cat , he would have finished up the track that day

happy birthday

steve if you don't like my opinion you are the boss here , you know what you can do

he's a very good rider , he will be in the hall of fame - i am pointing out that to date he is 1 for 38 on racing's biggest days


maybe the agent isn't getting him on the right horses , because he is obviously better than a 3% jockey , i know that , the whole world knows that

todd is the best trainer in the game and he gets it on here for his failure in these big races , why am i not allowed to point out a fact that ramon has failed to menace on the big days

I think since Dominguez can only ride one in each derby, and Pletcher can send out multiple horses in the race almost every year, Pletcher gets more criticism for his Derby record. For whatever reason, Ramon is not getting on the "big" horse in the TC and BC. Steve shows in Dominguez' BC runs, his horses outperform their odds. I just don't see how you can watch races and not see this guy's talent and appreciate how he goes about his business. Did you think John Elway sucked until he won a Super Bowl later in his career?

A trainer, and if you're citing Pletcher specifically, gets DOZENS of high quality horses to train toward Triple Crown and Breeders' Cup races. DOZENS AND DOZENS of the best bred and most expensive horses... So his record in TC/BC races is far more suspect in a discussion like this than a jockey who gets exactly ONE mount, maybe, in any of the available races you're talking about. You do understand that nuance?

Also, I forgot to add above that $2 ATB wagers on Dominguez' 24 Breeders' Cup mounts would cost $144.00 and return $236.60.

You understand that you are ranting about races that equate to about .0042% of his mounts?

do you really believe that todd wanted to run all of those horses in the derby?

John Elway was a great player throughout his career, Dan Marino was better but he doesn't have 2 rings and that is a hole in his career resume

A-Rod is a great baseball player (maybe the best in the game over the last 10 yrs) , now he has a ring to go with it - he was hammered by the fans rightfully so because he didn't do it on the big days in the fall with either seattle or the yankees , this year he did it

Ramon is a very good rider , i keep saying that .....is todd not a very good trainer becuase he is 1 for 70 in the TC races , are all those training titles at the spa , belmont ,and elsewhere meaningless because he is 1 for 70 in TC races?

todd will have have more chances of course , he had 5 in 1 year , ramon can only ride 1

do you think todd wanted to run every horse in the derby that he entered ?

steve when do you bet show?

stop this nonsense

he's 1 for 38 to date , he is the best jockey in the country to many on here

he better do better than 1 for 38 in the next 38 mounts do you not agree?

Do you believe that Ramon thought that Sam P had chance to win ? Maybe he just took the mount, because he wants to evetually ride first call for Pletcher. Maybe he realized that he was lucky enough just to have an opportunity to ride in the big race. Maybe he though he really had a shot. Whatever the reason, but you have to be kidding me wanting to hold that over his head and count the fact that he couldn't bring home 43-1 Sam P and that's one of the reasons he's not an elite rider.

no

You understand that you are ranting about races that equate to about .0042% of his mounts?

matt be so kind and tell me what the % is for todd - tc/bc starters vs all horses that todd starts - isn't it going to be less than 5% as well?

marty i like you but wtf:rolleyes: :zz: whats the argument.. and todd does not do well in the derby.he takes everyones
old derby horses and turns them into multiple stakes winners..

here is what i am saying

todd is the best trainer in the country over the last 10 yrs that is a fact - he wins the most $ , wins the most races , wins the most training titles

he gets bashed on here for not doing it eneough in tc races and on bc day - fairly so , he has underperformed on those days

people on here believe that ramon is the best jockey in the country ,

shouldn't the best jock in the county be better than 1 for 38 on the big days?


why is ok for todd to be bashed for being 1 for 70 or whatever in the tc and 3 for whatever in the bc and ramon's record can't be bashed - i don't get it matt

both ramon and todd have a long way to go in their careers before the finals numbers are done - why not let it play out and see what happens , mabye they will both end up with multiple tc wins and multiple bc wins

I hope Ramon wins the triple crown this year!

didnt he win multiple jock titles in ny including the spa? his big race win perc has more to do with his agent then his ability..and todd is not worried about anything..he sleeps well on stacks of hundos.........

LOL....I hope he at least does well during the RTR, he's one of my two jockeys.

on a pletcher horse i hope

agree , agree , agreee

You like baseball analogies, here's one. Pletcher is like the Yankees (Brian Cashman). He's considered one of the best trainers in the game. He has all this high priced talent every year and unless he wins a couple of the huge races, then some people think he has been a dissapointment. There have been times when Pletcher has had 20% of the derby field and still hasn't hit the board. He probably deserves some of the grief he gets.

As far as Ramon goes, you see the list of horses he ridden. It seems like he's done very well with some not so live horses. He's coming into his own and you would think that he will soon be (if he's not already) considered in that top crop of jockeys that trainers fight for. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think he's on the verge of exploding. And the numbers you bring up are unfair and unjust and don't tell the real story.

Is it really snowing at Aqu today as the website says?

matt just 1 question that is out there that you have not answered

we know cashman is the gm but do you really believe he has final decision on all major moves in the organization - i don't (randy johnson et al)

now to my question that no one here has answered , do you think todd wanted to run every one of those starters in the derby? do you think he had a choice on each horse ?

i don't think he wanted to run certain horses in those big races , thus in my opinion i think it's unjust and unfair for people here to bash his record to the extent that they do because they don't know what the owners wanted to do

I agree that a couple of those Pletcher horses were only there becuase the owners wanted them there and you would think Todd probably thought that they were in over there heads. But that being said, they did need to have the earnings to get there so they did earn their way into the gates.
But the arguement you make isn't about Pletcher, it's about Dominguez.

Yes, you are probably correct that some of these entries were "owner decisions," but the reason a lot of people question Pletcher's big race record is that his stable has not performed the same on these days when the horses are more closely surveilled than it does the rest of the year. For that reason, your analogy between Pletcher and Dominguez is completely flawed.

so you mean to tell me they aren't watching on oaks day or grade 1 days in ny when it's not belmont day ,or florida derby day at GP is that what you are trying to say

the cops are really only out at the BC and 3 TC races - 4 days a year? , the rest of the time they are there but just sleeping like the cop in the parking lot that's supposed to be on duty , is it that simple???

ramon deserves more time , i will give you that

and what is the % of pletcher starters that start in the bc or tc races vs his total starters what is it ?? u still haven't put the % up

do you think it's fair for him to get bashed not only on here but in the media on what i will say is proably less than 5 % of his total starters , isn't that cherry picking as well?

who was going to beat smarty jones, who was going ot beat barbaro , was it todd's fault that the jocks gave street sense a perfect rail trip for borel to take for the best horse in the race , this arguemnt can go on and on

if you want to continue send me a PM , i'm done on this topic

ramon is a very good jockey , i'll leave it at that

Gales is hopeless.

What's your next brilliant conclusion.....Secretariat was fast?

Blackthroatedwind has rich friends.

Please no opportunities for him to name drop.

Having you as a friend makes me rich.

No, but they are certainly watching them differently with their "big race teams." A few years ago, an out-of-town trainer had his Belmont Stakes horse in our trainer's barn at Belmont during the weeks leading up to the race. They had someone outside the horse's stall monitoring the horse around the clock for the two or three days before the Belmont. That this is not taking place on the typical Grade I day in NY or any of the other venues you cited does not mean they are "sleeping in the parking lot"; it just means that they don't have as many cops on the beat those other days.

so are you saying todd cheats on g1 days that are non tc races and non bc races and can't cheat on the tc races or the bc days because there are more "eyes" around

so let me guess during derby week , todd had his oaks winning filies hidden away , far far away , and brought them in in the cover of the night after juciing them to the gills at some far away farm ,away from all the prying eyes that were watching his barn that week beucse the derby horses were there , wow you could turn this story into a movie it would be a hit

Marty let it go Ramon is perhaps the best Jock currently in the states. Peyton Manning is still Peyton Manning eventhough he and Eli have the same number of SB wins.. You made a bad cal, it happens, I do it ALL the time

fine freddy but how is TP not the best trainer in america right now and in the last 10 yrs , this thread can end and you can PM me and tell me who the best trainer is

Dixie Porter.

Now go away.