The Whirlaway was always a huge Ky Derby prep. You're right, it's just not the same.

NT

First NYRA Apoligist takes a shot.. Think we may hit 6 horses for the next prep Nick? NY Debry Preps are a F**u**c***k**i**n**g Joke but I am sure you know that deep down inside. Unfortunately your job states otherwise and your credibility is basically ZERO that you even argue the point. Lets play Jeopardy Nick....

Answer 2008 Gotham Stakes
Question: What is the last Nyra Triple Crown Prep Race to offer a Superfecta Bet?

The plus side is any winner of a NYRA prep is a throwout May-01-2010

First of all, there was a super in the 2009 Gotham. It paid $351.70.

More importantly, and your frustration with field sizes in stakes lately is understood, but you have to know what you're dealing with in NY this time of year. Does anyone really consider the Count Fleet and Whirlaway Derby preps? If you have a quality 3YO right now you want him tested and that's just not what's going to happen as easily in NY as it will in other places.

NT

Big difference between blowing a turn and something far more serious. Did you consider that perhaps the thread starter was quite sure of what happened? After all, the horse is ok. You're accusing someone of jumping the gun-maybe he's not the only one?

You are corrrect aboutthe2009 Gotham, I misread my stats. NYRA Derby Prep races are in ascending order. This shouldn't even be a discussion. You should be able to field a Super Race for EVERY DERBY PREP.

1. Remsen
2. Whirlaway
3.Gotham
4.Wood
5. Withers (I will give you a pass here)

The lack of a super in the last two editions of the Wood had nothing to do with field size. In 2009, it had to do with the fact that Kelly Breen had an entry, thereby prohibiting super wagering under an arcane NY racing rule (even if they had a 12-horse field). Same thing in 2008 due to WinStar entry.

Wait, so the 2008 Gotham and 2009 Gotham aren't the same? You wrote 2008 in your original post.

NT

See my update I was wrong about 2009 and admit it and I am sorry. Will you admit NYRA derby preps are NO LONGER RELEVANT?

Without question the Count Fleet and Whirlaway are seldom relevant.

NT

Dude.. My year is Derby Prep Supers, otherwise I am either trading money or giving it back. Forgive me that I am VERY frustrated that NYRA can't have a Super on EVERY derby prep race. Sorry if I come across asADick

The winner of the 2009 Wood was the morning-line favorite for the Derby.

What preps do you deem "relevant" these days? The Blue Grass has been marginalized as a Derby prep since Keeneland installed Polytrack (save for an obviously-prepping Street Sense), and many knock the Santa Anita Derby for the same reason. If you throw out the Wood as well, what's left?

Mike Gill obviously sabotaged Eightyfiveinafifty....

Isn't it clear that he slipped in faulty equipment which HE KNEW would break RIGHT AWAY - and he boxed the remaining four horses in the field UNTIL THE COWS COME HOME and the man CLEANED UP at the betting windows.

This man almost KILLED another jockey and he MUST be stopped NOW!!

Putting a rider and horses life in danger just to plaster a trifecta ... outrageous.

I don't know man. I've been watching races since 1984, and for about half those years, I went to the track every day.

At some point in time I learned to tell the difference between a horse being hurt and a horse blowing a turn. In my eyes, it was ridiculously obvious that this horse was rank and blew the turn. This wasn't something like the 2006 Preakness after all, where the horse that got pulled up was equally obviously injured.

Maybe you need to watch a few more races to learn to process and believe what your eyes are telling you?

I mean really, I'm flabbergasted how anyone with any experience betting horse racing could be so utterly without a clue.

Oh, and does that mean everyone else who posted about this incident before official word came back that he was okay is also a dick? Or did you just reserve that for me for some weird reason?

Hmmm. I don't buy it. As I just mentioned, you didn't call anyone else a dick, especially the person who started the other thread.

I think you called me a dick because you are frustrated with something.

That, or you have some sort of Internet version of Tourette's syndrome.


Yes, it is much more humorous when a horse finishes up the track, which is when something might actually be physically wrong with a horse. I laugh my ass off every time a horse gets distanced!!

Classless? Who is the one that called someone a fugging dick on here?

And what history are you referring to? The history of talking sense? Of making fun of PG1985? Of trying to be helpful to people?

Do tell!

Joseph. I almost forgot to thank you for weakening Elvis' position here.

Thank you.

"Eightyfiveinafifty blew the first turn and crashed through the outer rail of the inner track, hurdled the outer rail of the outer track and wasn't corraled at Gate 6."

I think the horse was just foreshadowing his future career as a steeplechaser.

Im my opinion, the NYRA hit a walk off, grand slam homerun, here. The NYRA product has been inept for some time, (decades) and now they have an incident they can/might/probably, milk.

Degeneratates/psychophants/ hardcore chronic losers and others will
have someting to stew over, but why bet this circuit in the winter, or ever.
Rather be flogged!

This thread is not about the hiring of BTW or the choice of showing old 70's and 80's replays on MSG during snow cancel days.

Aren't you on the wrong type of message board to be attempting to solicit that kind of thing?

In a way, having to read some of the opinions on here is a form of flogging.

Fatman will love you.

Seems to me there has been excellent value this winter, did you see what the early pk4 paid?

OK so you don't like NYRA, and that's your opinion. But, how does a broken bit turn into a walk off grand slam for NYRA and in what way are they going to be able to milk this?

I didn't play this weekend but there too many times where there are 5 horses and nothing pays tax money. I mean how much can the all Fav Ramon Dominguez pick 3, 4 pay? Maybe that's changed I wouldn't know.

$2 P4 payouts the last 8 days of AQU racing:

$1,646
$15,364

$686
$67

$219
$189

$5,075
$723

$172
$39

$13,918
$252

$2,117
$436

$6,576
$853

If you exclude the 2 extremes ($13k/$15k highs and $67/$39 lows), the average P4 payoff the last 2 weeks is about $1,450.

Including the extremes, it would be close to $3,000.

:D none of that means squat! the heavy fave didn't win, so nyra sucks...or something like that. ;)

To be fair, I think John was saying that because Dominguez-riden short-priced winners come in regularly on the inner, P3 and P4 prices are depressed, and that can happen. In fact though, the opposite can be true as the quad prices show, because when those short-priced faves fail, the payouts are inflated. Point is, the multi-race sequence bets during the AQU winter are likely no lower on average than during the higher quality spring, summer and fall meets at BEL, SAR and AQU.

what Steve said

I don't play if I think it will be a chalk-fest it just doesn't excite me

right, as your info showed. i just think he might feel that one or two races would be indicative of betting in general there, and that simply isn't true. yes, all racetracks on occasion have small fields in certain races, but perhaps focusing only on potential derby preps isn't the way to go.

Wow, all this time I thought he had navigated turns in his sprint races.

Wow you ZINGED me. (I certainly didn't know that.:rolleyes: )

Shouldn't you be over at PA, bullying people with your EUNUCH boss? Having those extra 'privileges' does allow some to grow (online) nuts.

There was no need for further posts...It was equipment. Why don't we wait for another race from this one?

The Dominguez factor works both ways, sure it creates a lot of underlays on horses he is riding, but it also creates overlays on other horses in the race which can often turn into nice scores. As Steve has pointed out, the value has been there at the Big A over the winter no worse than any other time of year.

Wow. You're really relishing your new position as board azzhole around here.

"No need for further posts"?

Not a bad plan. I know I for one am going to stop reading any thread once you show up.

Yeah, you are right, I've always held back and not said what I thought until I was asked to help moderate. I was just trying to give you the courtesy of a response to your dumb post since nobody else did.

Really?

So, your assumption is that after 35 years in the game, I'm not aware that they go around a turn in sprints? :rolleyes:

Not about what you have to say but how you and your EUNUCH pal feel the need to CENSOR those who have dissenting opinions. Kind of makes both of you PUSSIES. Know what I mean?

I don't censor, I argue.

If you knew that already, what was the point of the post? That Contessa didn't train him to turn? He has already turned. Your post looked even dumber after the equipment issue came to light.

Your vocabulary is really a gem. What are you in, second grade?

Maybe I posted BEFORE the equipment thing was make public. Ever think of that? And certainly, this is the 1st time a sprinter initially stretching out has bolted, right? :rolleyes:

And, how could I compete with a SERVICE MAN when it comes to level of education. Clearly, you trump me there. :rolleyes:

You're sounding more and more like a ****** --- your EUNUCH boss is rubbing off on you, a bit. Shouldn't you really be spending your valuable time BASHING POLY or hand timing races?

True colors exposed...again.

Who is his EUNUCH boss?

It is from another board I help moderate as a friend...hardly my boss.

To tell the whole story, TFM begged me to ask the owner to allow him to come back because he said this board isn't worth of his talents. I foolishly did so, and he promptly acted like a jackass again (just like he does here) and was banned yet again within a few weeks.

So, he has returned to the place he loves to disparage in PMs. The posters here were smart enough to ignore him and I apologize for not doing the same.