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ddthetide 01-19-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
That is one slippery slope and quite an exageration. They are going to lose the House anyway...almost every mid term election that is set up this way swings like that. Stop making it out to be anything more than the normal fickleness of the US Voter.

But to make such a grandiose prediction about a one term President at this point is just grandstanding. Good luck with that one..As I have said elsewhere here, Four More Years and I truly think it will happen.

sadly you are probably right and not because he's a good president because the color of his skin.

GBBob 01-19-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
sadly you are probably right and not because he's a good president because the color of his skin.

Now Darren...Could it possibly be that there are more people now who aren't Republicans because most of the majority from previous years are DEAD!

And got your PM..want to reply properly, but need time..thnx

ddthetide 01-19-2010 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Now Darren...Could it possibly be that there are more people now who aren't Republicans because most of the majority from previous years are DEAD!

And got your PM..want to reply properly, but need time..thnx

they could catch obama on camera and mic selling drugs in front of the white house and he'll still carry the minority vote. you won't convince me otherwise.

don't worry about the pm.

dellinger63 01-19-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
they could catch obama on camera and mic selling drugs in front of the white house and he'll still carry the minority vote. you won't convince me otherwise.

don't worry about the pm.

one of DC's finest, Marion Barry

Rileyoriley 01-19-2010 08:24 PM

Scott Brown wins!:tro:

Riot 01-19-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley
Scott Brown wins!:tro:

I wonder if they know he's in favor of abortion?

randallscott35 01-19-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I wonder if they know he's in favor of abortion?

As are many Republicans including myself.

Riot 01-19-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
As are many Republicans including myself.

And me. We'd all fail the "Are you a true GOP supporter" party test, as would Brown :p Glad they dropped that silliness ...

My point was that Brown ran a great political campaign, and Coakely ran a lousy one. She got what she earned from the electorate.

AeWingnut 01-19-2010 09:08 PM

the spin will be that she ran a terrible campaign and that women voted for the man becasue they hate women

;)

SCUDSBROTHER 01-19-2010 11:04 PM

1) People in Mass. already have mandatory healthcare. They couldn't care less if it fails.

2) I just saw this guy Brown, and he said some entertaining stuff (inappropriate, but entertaining.) She's a bore.

3) She said Schilling is a Yankees fan. Every guy has one of these ("sports are stupid") type bitches somewhere in their life. You might want to run a sports fan in a sports state. A whole lot of people don't give a sht who wins, and are just gunna vote for the person most like themselves (that ain't a woman who ignores sports.)

4)She was AWOL in the Carribean etc. from Dec 19th-Jan 5th (while Brown was trying to get something won.)

5) As I said before, OBAMA was in Hawaii living it up for 10 days in late December (while the economy sucks.) Shouldn't be out golfing, n' having fun until you've fixed the economy(just saying.)

6) Dems are ignoring Illegal Immigration. That's a critical mistake that they are totally tone deaf about, and they need to stop giving away this issue.

7) Dems tend to think there is such a thing as Moderate Islam (there is no such thing as moderate evil.)

8) OBA hasn't set definite goals for what's going on in Afghanistan. I guarantee you the money would be better spent on working very hard to keep this Moslem scum out of this country.

9) Wall street prospering while mainstreet suffers.

10) Said he was going to recognize the Armenian Genocide (nope...liar.) Bailed on Armenian-American supporters. Again, why did he do this? Trying to be friends with Turks. How'd that work out? Crap, right? Who told you that was futile? Moi...Turks care about Turk Blood and /or fellow Muslims. They are sticking up for Iran's right to make nucs....Told you not to try to make friends with these savages, but nooo....You bail on Armenian supporters, and get what? Huh?


11) Bailed on Gay n' Lesbians (before he even took office...poor choice.) They will not be there working for him in elections like the one that ended tonite. OBA, go call Pastor Rick n' see what that gets ya.

12) Cut deals with Blue Dog Senators (instead of threatening to beat their ass in Democratic Primaries.)

13) He's too worried about being liked by people that have no intention of working with him.

14-20) Grow a Set (x 7)

geeker2 01-19-2010 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley
Scott Brown wins!:tro:


DeboDeb YEA! Great job! :tro: :tro: :tro:

gales0678 01-20-2010 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
1) People in Mass. already have mandatory healthcare. They couldn't care less if it fails.

2) I just saw this guy Brown, and he said some entertaining stuff (inappropriate, but entertaining.) She's a bore.

3) She said Schilling is a Yankees fan. Every guy has one of these ("sports are stupid") type bitches somewhere in their life. You might want to run a sports fan in a sports state. A whole lot of people don't give a sht who wins, and are just gunna vote for the person most like themselves (that ain't a woman who ignores sports.)

4)She was AWOL in the Carribean etc. from Dec 19th-Jan 5th (while Brown was trying to get something won.)

5) As I said before, OBAMA was in Hawaii living it up for 10 days in late December (while the economy sucks.) Shouldn't be out golfing, n' having fun until you've fixed the economy(just saying.)

6) Dems are ignoring Illegal Immigration. That's a critical mistake that they are totally tone deaf about, and they need to stop giving away this issue.

7) Dems tend to think there is such a thing as Moderate Islam (there is no such thing as moderate evil.)

8) OBA hasn't set definite goals for what's going on in Afghanistan. I guarantee you the money would be better spent on working very hard to keep this Moslem scum out of this country.

9) Wall street prospering while mainstreet suffers.

10) Said he was going to recognize the Armenian Genocide (nope...liar.) Bailed on Armenian-American supporters. Again, why did he do this? Trying to be friends with Turks. How'd that work out? Crap, right? Who told you that was futile? Moi...Turks care about Turk Blood and /or fellow Muslims. They are sticking up for Iran's right to make nucs....Told you not to try to make friends with these savages, but nooo....You bail on Armenian supporters, and get what? Huh?


11) Bailed on Gay n' Lesbians (before he even took office...poor choice.) They will not be there working for him in elections like the one that ended tonite. OBA, go call Pastor Rick n' see what that gets ya.

12) Cut deals with Blue Dog Senators (instead of threatening to beat their ass in Democratic Primaries.)

13) He's too worried about being liked by people that have no intention of working with him.

14-20) Grow a Set (x 7)


scuds you can paint it anyway you want , yesterday and the gov races in nov show the independents have given up on the dems for now

Nascar1966 01-20-2010 07:16 AM

Nice to see the Democrats lose another seat. But as the skank Pelosi said the Health Reform Bill will be passed one way or another no matter what the American public wants. O'Dumbass is now 0-3 when it comes to camaigning for people thats an awesome perccentage 0. Cant wait for November to get here, if Pelosi is up for election hoping she will have the same fate as Coakley and the two Democrats had in New Jersey and Virginia governor elections. Lets see how long it takes Senator Elect Brown to get seated. Will the Democratic party resort to the dirty pool they have been playing since O'Dumbass went into the White House. What happened to all the open door meetings he said would happen with the Health Reform Bill. Its turned into a secret camp fire meetings only Democrats invited. Im sure thier not toasting marshmellows or mayking smores. I especially cant wait for 2012 to get here.

Nascar1966 01-20-2010 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i remember a few years ago, dems were dead and the republicans were going to rule the world...remember? right now the republicans don't control anything. too soon to say it's over for obama and company.

but it has always seemed when it's all one way, the voters send congress in the other direction from the white house. that's what seems about to happen. but a lot can change between now and november.


That is a very true statement you just made. Im thinking if the economy and unemployment aren't fixed between now and November I would hate to be a Democrat up for election. They will feel the wrath of the voters.

joeydb 01-20-2010 07:28 AM

I keep seeing things about demographics and "old conservative white men" posted here.

This is what I don't understand: why would that matter? Are working non-caucasian people any happier about having their hard-earned money stolen from them through taxation to give to the bum next door?

It's about conservatism and how it's a better alternative to the overgrown and entrenched welfare state. And how that welfare state is not sustainable.

When enough people, whom we previously haven't heard from politically at the polls, vote in favor in keeping more of their money rather than subsidizing the lifestyle of those who don't work, liberalism is dead.

By the way, there is no such thing as an entitlement. It is impossible for anyone to be "entitled" to the earnings of somebody else. Not one penny. Charity and emergency spending are different, but this "baseline budgeting" of social programs year after year must end, so it will end, or the system (and the dollar) will break.

dellinger63 01-20-2010 07:43 AM

The Obama team (Axelrod) actually believing if only Coakley had called for their help sooner they could have won ignoring the fact that THEY are largely the cause of her loss is so priceless it should be publically ignored. (Don't tap the glass) The people of Mass don't want socialism and have spoken. Imagine how States like Ohio, FL, IN, IA feel? But you GO Obama don't let these voters tell you anything. Socialism works, at least on paper. LOL

IMO It's the most beautiful Wednesday in at least a year and now you know why all the big smiles!

Antitrust32 01-20-2010 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i remember a few years ago, dems were dead and the republicans were going to rule the world...remember? right now the republicans don't control anything. too soon to say it's over for obama and company.

but it has always seemed when it's all one way, the voters send congress in the other direction from the white house. that's what seems about to happen. but a lot can change between now and november.


thats because all politicians are incompetant. Both Parties. So one party is in there, they screw up like they always do, the other party goes in..

The other party screws up like they always do, back to the first party again.

Never ending cycle and nothing good comes out of it, like ever. We REALLY need a third party in this country. I'm voting for Coach Pants.

Antitrust32 01-20-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
I keep seeing things about demographics and "old conservative white men" posted here.

This is what I don't understand: why would that matter? Are working non-caucasian people any happier about having their hard-earned money stolen from them through taxation to give to the bum next door?

It's about conservatism and how it's a better alternative to the overgrown and entrenched welfare state. And how that welfare state is not sustainable.

When enough people, whom we previously haven't heard from politically at the polls, vote in favor in keeping more of their money rather than subsidizing the lifestyle of those who don't work, liberalism is dead.

By the way, there is no such thing as an entitlement. It is impossible for anyone to be "entitled" to the earnings of somebody else. Not one penny. Charity and emergency spending are different, but this "baseline budgeting" of social programs year after year must end, so it will end, or the system (and the dollar) will break.

friggin great post!

randallscott35 01-20-2010 08:44 AM

What a great day.

Danzig 01-20-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
thats because all politicians are incompetant. Both Parties. So one party is in there, they screw up like they always do, the other party goes in..

The other party screws up like they always do, back to the first party again.

Never ending cycle and nothing good comes out of it, like ever. We REALLY need a third party in this country. I'm voting for Coach Pants.

True. I also think its an indication that most voters want a middle ground. Heck of a result when you consider how long dems held that seat

Antitrust32 01-20-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
True. I also think its an indication that most voters want a middle ground. Heck of a result when you consider how long dems held that seat

Today is a great day and I am so thrilled there are 41 Red's in the Senate now.

Also, a very liberal dem in the house (dont know name) said "maybe we should think about taking a step back, passing through a jobs bill that has some health reform attached to lower costs"

If this hypothetical "jobs" bill has some tort reform in it, elimination of pre-existing conditions, language stating that you cant drop someone for getting sick, and opens up competition over state lines.... AND costs less than 50 billion or so (which is still insanily high).. then I'm all for it!!

joeydb 01-20-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
If health care reform passes and makes it a right for Americans,
the case will be made that your rights are "granted to you by your government".

...and provided for you by your fellow citizens, who therefore have less rights than the recipients...so much for the "universal" health care coverage.

dellinger63 01-20-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
...and provided for you by your fellow citizens, who therefore have less rights than the recipients...so much for the "universal" health care coverage.


yea but the guy who jogs by the nearby McDonalds every morning and sees the customers super-sizing and the workers on smoke break can feel good he and other health conscious people are, for a large part, subsidizing those who are not. Only a bleeding heart idiot would think that is fair.

The reasoning by Obama & Co. of taxing 'Cadillac insurance plans' is a sure tip off this administration cares more about insuring all rather than having good insurance.

Riot 01-20-2010 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966
That is a very true statement you just made. Im thinking if the economy and unemployment aren't fixed between now and November I would hate to be a Democrat up for election. They will feel the wrath of the voters.

Because McCain-Palin would have "fixed the economy and jobs" in that time?

Nascar1966 01-20-2010 02:43 PM

O'Dumbass knows his reform bill is in trouble now. Funny he is telling his fellow Democrats dont jam the bill down the Republicans. Wonder what O'Dumbass thinks about Pelosi's remark that the bill will get passed one way or another. I guess that means Senator elect Brown will probably have to wait an enormous amount of time to get seated. If it was Coakley who won she would already be seated. Cant wait for November to get here. We shall see who has the power. Especially waiting for November 2012 to get here. Im sure everyone would say that if it was the other way the same thing would happen. Everyone is entitled to thier freedom of speech. This is what makes this a great country to live in.

Nascar1966 01-20-2010 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Because McCain-Palin would have "fixed the economy and jobs" in that time?

Im pretty confident they would do a better job than the inexperienced O'Dumbass is doing. To go from being a 1st term Senator to President is a huge step.

Nascar1966 01-20-2010 02:50 PM

I feel sorry for people on Social Security and Military Vets like myself. Why you ask this is the first time in many years the above aren't getting a Cost of Living Allowance raise. Yet he wastes taxpayer's money to try to get the Olympics to Chicago which I am happy to see him miserably fail at. Seems like every time he butts his nose into to something failure occurs. Here are some examples of his failure:

Coakley losing the Senator election.
Republicans winning Governor races in New Jersey and Virginia.

Coakley's lose is an example of what happens when you take something for granted. She figured she was going to win because a Republicans hasn't won in over 30 years in the state of Massachusetts. Wake up missy people are already sick and tired of the Democrats lies and deception.

People might says the Republicans suck but at least Bush gave COLA raises.

Riot 01-20-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
True. I also think its an indication that most voters want a middle ground. Heck of a result when you consider how long dems held that seat

Funny you bring that up, as the talk today is the ultra-liberals wanting Washington to know "this is a referendum on your lack of aggression when we voted you in for change", while the right is saying, "it's economics".

But the folks in Mass are saying it was all just local politics, she wasn't liked nor endorsed by the Dem party in Mass, the machine didn't rev up the call centers for her, etc.

Unfortunately no exit polls this election to shed more accurate light.

As an aside: we've put with with alot regarding our politicians. Nixon, Haldeman, Ehrlichmann and their lying over Watergate. Clinton and his wandering pants zipper. The entire "C Street" Christians need to takeover government crew.

I cannot vote for a politician, however, who says, laughing, in public, "We can do that!" to a suggestion that his opponent get a curling iron shoved up her azz.

It's one thing to find out after you elect them that your politicians are ugly on a moral level. It's another to have them be proud of it and flaunt it as a reason for you to vote for them. I find it quite scary when voters deliberately choose that.

Riot 01-20-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
I keep seeing things about demographics and "old conservative white men" posted here.

This is what I don't understand: why would that matter?

It matters from the strictly political analysis of party makeups, voter predictions - census type stuff. There are very well-known trends there, and changes are significant.

dellinger63 01-20-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Funny you bring that up, as the talk today is the ultra-liberals wanting Washington to know "this is a referendum on your lack of aggression when we voted you in for change", while the right is saying, "it's economics".

But the folks in Mass are saying it was all just local politics, she wasn't liked nor endorsed by the Dem party in Mass, the machine didn't rev up the call centers for her, etc.

Unfortunately no exit polls this election to shed more accurate light.


As an aside: we've put with with alot regarding our politicians. Nixon, Haldeman, Ehrlichmann and their lying over Watergate. Clinton and his wandering pants zipper. The entire "C Street" Christians need to takeover government crew.

I cannot vote for a politician, however, who says, laughing, in public, "We can do that!" to a suggestion that his opponent get a curling iron shoved up her azz.

It's one thing to find out after you elect them that your politicians are ugly on a moral level. It's another to have them be proud of it and flaunt it as a reason for you to vote for them. I find it quite scary when voters deliberately choose that.

OMG you could make a rape sound romantic. BTW I'd rather vote for a guy shoving a curling iron up a socialist azz than one who makes fun of pickup trucks or thinks Schilling is a Yankees fan and obviously so did the people of Mass, so be scared. This was largely a vote against everything Obama but I hope like you he thinks this was a 'local thing' and becomes even more forceful wasting even more money. Maybe really roll the dice and admit he is planning on giving amnesty to illegals thus including them in the health care plan.

Riot 01-20-2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966
Im pretty confident they would do a better job than the inexperienced O'Dumbass is doing. To go from being a 1st term Senator to President is a huge step.

What do you think McCain would have done? "Cut taxes"? Well, Obama cut your payroll taxes already last spring. "Cut taxes more to create jobs"? See what happened to unemployment numbers when Reagan cut taxes to create jobs during his recession - those numberes skyrocketed (the concepts in "Reaganomics" was a pretty big failure in retrospect)

The GOP is currently gearing up to fight hard for tax cuts - the taxes that are going to be imposed on bank bonus money, as payback for TARP funding, as per the law that was passed when the banks got the money.

The GOP, fighting for free market capitalism.

What specifically do you think should have been done differently, had the GOP been in charge this past year, starting with the Bush bailouts and initial stimulus?

Riot 01-20-2010 03:31 PM

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See ? With the progressives, it's not about being anti-Republican.
It's about making the stupid citizens go along with their agenda.
"Because we progressives know what's best for you. "
I find the above disparate, because to me, it's most obviously the far (far extreme) right that is trying desperately to impose their opinion of "how the world should be" on everyone else, especially their religion and morals. Vocally, nastily, and with overt violence, lies and deep hypocrisy.

Riot 01-20-2010 03:40 PM

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If health care reform passes and makes it a right for Americans,
the case will be made that your rights are "granted to you by your government".
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Originally Posted by joeydb
...and provided for you by your fellow citizens, who therefore have less rights than the recipients...so much for the "universal" health care coverage.

Huh? Everyone in America already has, and has had, "the right" to health care. There is no "granting of a new Constitutional right" in healthcare reform.

The "fellow citizens" in America already pay for everyone's healthcare via Medicad, the hard costs you are charged if you visit an ER and you are uninsured, and your insurance premiums if you are insured.

What healthcare reform is about is cost containment and improvement of the level of care all citizens receive.

Edit: and yeah, our rights are indeed "granted by our Government", within our Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc. And our government - usually - defends our intrinsic rights as citizens within this country.

dellinger63 01-20-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
What healthcare reform is about is cost containment and improvement of the level of care all citizens receive.
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That's why the plan calls for taxing 'Cadilac policies'?
Give me a break, healthcare reform has nothing to do with either cost containment or improvement and everything to do with control as in who gets what care and what they will pay for it. Ten years from now I expect people to be asking 'blackmarket bypass' or 'regular'?

Riot 01-20-2010 04:48 PM

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That's why the plan calls for taxing 'Cadilac policies'?
Those are policies that not alot of people have, Dell. The ultra-expensive, super high-end, low deductable policies. And the "cadillac" part deals not with "improved care" (more care, better care) rather just giving the same care as other policies for a lower deductable type of thing, improve coverage for age, etc.

I'm not in favor of that, btw. But the other major way to pay, public option, was eliminated in the Senate bill.

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Give me a break, healtcare reform has nothing to do with either cost containment or improvement and everything to do with control as in who gets what care and what they will pay for it. Ten years from now I expect people to be asking 'blackmarket bypass' or 'regular'?
Yeah, "who gets what" care is important - all people should get treated for their diabetes on a regular basis, rather than just getting treatment in the ER when they need an amputation or they go ketoacidotic.

And yes, "what they will pay for it" - cost containment is a huge deal. The problem is the Senate bill was stripped down to fairly useless crap. The House bill is better.

Your last sentence about bypasses makes no sense at all, c'mon. There is healthcare rationing now in this country, that's for sure. The point is to eliminate it. Not start it up.

As an aside, there have been a couple reports from Haiti, people waking up post-surgery having had limbs amputated - and getting immediately upset asking "but how will I pay for it, I have no money"? They didn't seek care, they didn't expect to get medical care, as they didn't have money and that's the way it works there. There is little "free ER' in Haiti for the poor.

But we Americans, and French, and British, Canadians, etc - we don't let people die just because they don't have money. Well, most of us feel that way.

dellinger63 01-20-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Your last sentence about bypasses makes no sense at all, c'mon. There is healthcare rationing now in this country, that's for sure. The point is to eliminate it. Not start it up.
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so make a healthy person subsidize the insurance of a un-healthy or non-productive citizen so both can get into the same line for care? yea that sounds fair and a solution to eliminate it. BTW since you seem to be so familiar w/the bill what happens to the illegal who shows up at the ER since he's not included in the bill?

Riot 01-20-2010 05:16 PM

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so make a healthy person subsidize the insurance of a un-healthy or non-productive citizen so both can get into the same line for care?
Dell, we do that now - if you don't have insurance, and go to the doctor or ER, you pay premium high price, your price is higher than those with insurance, and that covers the shortfall from everyone else. The prices set by the ER and docs are set to cover those patients without insurance reimbursement. The costs of everyone paying for the non-covered are now built into the system.

I would rather the low-income person buy inexpensive coverage themselves, and pay for it themselves, and get them off Medicaid, rather than have me subsidize them via Medicaid taxes and increased costs for me because they don't have insurance.

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yea that sounds fair and a solution to eliminate it. BTW since you seem to be so familiar w/the bill what happens to the illegal who shows up at the ER since he's not included in the bill?
The exact same thing that happens now. He gets emergency only minimal overage and we pay for it. There is no provision for someone - including you or I - to have to show proof of American citizenship prior to receiving emergency medical treatment. We don't have to do that now, and we won't in the future.

The bills say specifically that illegal immigrants will NOT be able to buy into the government insurance pools (if any pools remains in the final bill, which I doubt). I don't know how they would check that, probably the very same way insurance companies now check for illegal aliens when those illegal aliens try and buy private insurance policies.

Crown@club 01-20-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
yea but the guy who jogs by the nearby McDonalds every morning and sees the customers super-sizing and the workers on smoke break walks in is......


Bill Clinton!

dellinger63 01-20-2010 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Dell, we do that now - if you don't have insurance, and go to the doctor or ER, you pay premium high price, your price is higher than those with insurance, and that covers the shortfall from everyone else. The prices set by the ER and docs are set to cover those patients without insurance reimbursement. The costs of everyone paying for the non-covered are now built into the system.

I would rather the low-income person buy inexpensive coverage themselves, and pay for it themselves, and get them off Medicaid, rather than have me subsidize them via Medicaid taxes and increased costs for me because they don't have insurance.



The exact same thing that happens now. He gets emergency only minimal overage and we pay for it. There is no provision for someone - including you or I - to have to show proof of American citizenship prior to receiving emergency medical treatment. We don't have to do that now, and we won't in the future.

The bills say specifically that illegal immigrants will NOT be able to buy into the government insurance pools (if any pools remains in the final bill, which I doubt). I don't know how they would check that, probably the very same way insurance companies now check for illegal aliens when those illegal aliens try and buy private insurance policies.



so we're going to force legals to pay for insurance but illegals remain the same (you know go they go to the emergency room and we pay for it). That's worse than the health conscious paying for the 'don't give a crap' crowd.


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