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ateamstupid 01-13-2010 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Because, is the defensive player of the year the one who is the best shutdown corner or the one who is the best overall player for the year?

See, that's why I'm in the Rachel camp in the HOY debate, and it's strangely apt here, since you're basically saying that being awesome at one thing (beating boys in the Classic) should trump being a terror in everything defensively (being a terror all year long).

That's why it's a toss-up. You care about a guy playing in New York being the best shutdown corner in the league. I don't particularly care for whom you root when trying to figure out which guy I think is deserving. I see the argument for both, but your absolutism is so off-putting I'm learning to love Woodson and his Packer Green all over again...and by all over again, I mean for the very first time, I since I kind of hate him considering he's on the Packers.

Yeah that's an apt comparison. Because Revis only did one remarkable thing once, just like Zenyatta. Woodson's hardly a "terror" in anything, sorry to break it to you. He's pretty good at a bunch of things. He's not great at anything. I've already said everything I can say. Come back to me when Revis falls down on a touchdown and gives up 15 yards of field position with 10 seconds left and the other team straddling field goal range. I already said Woodson had a good year. Not as good as Revis's.

brianwspencer 01-13-2010 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Yeah that's an apt comparison. Because Revis only did one remarkable thing once, just like Zenyatta. Woodson's hardly a "terror" in anything, sorry to break it to you. He's pretty good at a bunch of things. He's not great at anything. I've already said everything I can say. Come back to me when Revis falls down on a touchdown and gives up 15 yards of field position with 10 seconds left and the other team straddling field goal range. I already said Woodson had a good year. Not as good as Revis's.

Well, we'll call it even.

You come back to me when you're done pretending that having a wide receiver run into you and knocking you down is the same as "falling down."

You can knock my analysis of it all you want. What you're unfortunately unable to say is that you're being fair in your analysis. "Falls down."

LOLZ. You're incredible. Aka, a Jets fan.

ateamstupid 01-13-2010 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Well, we'll call it even.

You come back to me when you're done pretending that having a wide receiver run into you and knocking you down is the same as "falling down."

You can knock my analysis of it all you want. What you're unfortunately unable to say is that you're being fair in your analysis. "Falls down."

LOLZ. You're incredible. Aka, a Jets fan.

Dude, you're looking at the wrong play. I'm talking about the first Fitzgerald TD that made it 31-10. Woodson fell down.

brianwspencer 01-13-2010 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Dude, you're looking at the wrong play. I'm talking about the first Fitzgerald TD that made it 31-10. Woodson fell down.

Ok, so you're willing to knock that one off Woodson's bill then, I'd assume?

Though sorry, I just looked at the other one too, realizing which one you're talking about -- like it's really that much better? Less pummeling, a bit less of the freight train-ing.....good call, that one proved your point. Total epiphany here.

You win.

ateamstupid 01-13-2010 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Ok, so you're willing to knock that one off Woodson's bill then, I'd assume?

:rolleyes: I've yet to see Revis get blown up by a receiver like that on a TD. Woodson didn't exactly put up a fight. But this is getting ridiculous.

brianwspencer 01-13-2010 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
:rolleyes: I've yet to see Revis get blown up by a receiver like that on a TD. Woodson didn't exactly put up a fight. But this is getting ridiculous.

Sorry, I edited while you were trying to say that something of a slightly more minor, less bulldozer-style, running over of a corner was somehow an indictment of that corner's ability. You got me.

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Though sorry, I just looked at the other one too, realizing which one you're talking about -- like it's really that much better? Less pummeling, a bit less of the freight train-ing.....good call, that one proved your point. Total epiphany here.

You win.


ateamstupid 01-13-2010 11:34 PM

The hell outta here. Fitzgerald didn't do anything to Woodson on the first TD. Woodson stepped in front of him and flopped to get a flag like a bitch. Then when he finally got up and saw he didn't get one, Fitzgerald had already torched his ass by 20 yards. The kinda play that happens when you allow a team to score 51 points.

brianwspencer 01-13-2010 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Fitzgerald didn't do anything to Woodson on the first TD. Woodson stepped in front of him and flopped to get a flag like a bitch. Then when he finally got up and saw he didn't get one Fitzgerald had already torched his ass by 20 yards. The kinda play that when you allow a team to score 51 points.

Yea, I'd say that if I was upset too.

Seriously, I would. Which is why I totally get all of this.

ateamstupid 01-13-2010 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Yea, I'd say that if I was upset too.

Seriously, I would. Which is why I totally get all of this.

I'm not upset baby boy, the Jets are still playing while the Packers' D is icing its collective butthole. But trying to defend Woodson's play on Sunday is laughable.

brianwspencer 01-13-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I'm not upset baby boy, the Jets are still playing while the Packers' D is icing its collective butthole. But trying to defend Woodson's play on Sunday is laughable.

Well, two problems with this.

Wait, three.

One, I don't care if the Jets or Packers are playing, I have no interest in either of them.

Two, too bad for you that Sunday doesn't count for Defensive Player of the Year.

Three, let's see, a receiver ran into him twice for two touchdowns...that will really kill lots of corners. Wide Receivers aren't big guys, but I'm sure most corners would agree that a WR could run them over if they weren't expecting it...you know, since it's not technically allowed.

Not excusing Woodson's play on Sunday. Excusing your bogus attempts to pin two WR bulldozer touchdowns on him.

That's the problem here, is that I have no dog in this fight, so to speak, and don't have to rely on hating someone to watch a play rationally...

Though thanks for the "baby boy," that's awfully affectionate, and I appreciate warmth.

ateamstupid 01-13-2010 11:45 PM

I don't hate Woodson. I just saw a lot of things "happen" to him on Sunday that I've never seen happen to Revis. If it's that easy to push you over and score two TDs, I can't call you a "terror," sorry, LOL.

brianwspencer 01-13-2010 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I don't hate Woodson. I just saw a lot of things "happen" to him on Sunday that I've never seen happen to Revis. If it's that easy to push you over, I can't call you a "terror," sorry, LOL.

Dude if YOU AND I were playing a game in which it wasn't legal for me to just run into you whenever I wanted, I'd imagine you wouldn't expect it....and though you've got a distinct bulk advantage on me (based on my recollection of our meeting a couple months ago), I'm pretty sure even I could knock you over if you didn't think it was coming, since you didn't think it was legal for me to do.

I'm glad though, that we're now getting to the real arguments, like, "if you fall over easily when a guy 15 lbs heavier than you runs into you, you're obviously no terror." They really get the job done.

For me.

ateamstupid 01-13-2010 11:49 PM

As opposed to "I could run you over too!"

I told you this was getting ridiculous.

brianwspencer 01-13-2010 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
As opposed to "I could run you over too!"

I told you this was getting ridiculous.

Sure is. Because you're a homer who can't see that there is even a possibility that Woodson deserved this for having a better year.

And for continuing to point out that Woodson got scorched on a play, and when I point it out, you say "no I meant the OTHER time Fitzgerald ran him over!!!!!!1!11!!1!"

ateamstupid 01-13-2010 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Sure is. Because you're a homer who can't see that there is even a possibility that Woodson deserved this for having a better year.

And for continuing to point out that Woodson got scorched on a play, and when I point it out, you say "no I meant the OTHER time Fitzgerald ran him over!!!!!!1!11!!1!"

I told you I'm done. Let it go.

Woodson's a terror who gets run over on two TDs and almost costs his team the game in the final seconds in a playoff game.

brianwspencer 01-14-2010 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I told you I'm done. Let it go.

Woodson's a terror who got ILLEGALLY run over on two TDs and almost costs his team the game in the final seconds in a playoff game.

FTEFY -- fixed that edit for you.

There's nothing to let go, since I don't particularly care about the award, Joey. As I said earlier, I'd have had no problem with it going to Revis, if that's what the voters cared about. They don't. I see the arguments for both. But the "oh god, I'm fainting, this is too much to handle, I can't believe this, where are my smelling salts!!!!" stuff and LOLcat-style pictures of Woodson to denigrate the great season he had is over the top.

dalakhani 01-14-2010 06:34 AM

I am going to interject this completely impartial fan's take on the situation. Lets really look closely at the respective schedules of each team. The only teams on Green Bay's schedule that could remotely throw the ball were Pitt, cin, min twice, dallas and zona. The rest of the games were against teams with issues in the passsing game I.E TB, chi, detroit, St louis (kyle boller!), bal, cle.

Pitt lit them up through the air. So did Minnesota twice and you see what Zona just did. Of course, Woodson isnt the entire defense but you are really going to give the award of defensive MVP to a guy who's defense gets trashed for 51 points in a playoff game? Really??

Because of my bet with Sniper I watched an inordinate amount of GB games this year. I watched the Jets play a few times as well. To me, there really was no question as to who was the better player. Revis changes the way an offense plays. He takes away a side of the field. He makes the QB do things he is not comfortable doing such as throwing to secondary targets...on every play. He will never create as many turnovers because the ball isnt going anywhere near his direction.

nebrady 01-15-2010 10:46 AM

Sporting news name woodson defensive player of the year!
 
Yo Kanyestupid! Sporting news voted woodson defensive player of the year. So get off your revis high horse. Also the award is for the whole year not for one game in the playoffs! Stop talking and face the facts woodson is defensive player of the year and the jets will crash and burn this weekend!

ateamstupid 01-15-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nebrady
blah blah blah my team is irrelevant and its dynasty is over after getting shitcanned by the #6 seed so i'm gonna keep deflecting to distract myself from the fact that the jets are still playing and the pats aren't and the division no longer goes through the pats

FTFY. LOL @ the Sporting News.

Coach Pants 01-15-2010 11:30 AM

Awards are for sissies. Congrats Woodson.

kenny p 01-15-2010 12:19 PM

I hope the Jets kick the **** out of them. Shut all you anti NY people up.

GBBob 01-15-2010 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kenny p
I hope the Jets kick the **** out of them. Shut all you anti NY people up.

I love NY, just not the Jets...

ateamstupid 01-17-2010 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady
Yo Kanyestupid! Sporting news voted woodson defensive player of the year. So get off your revis high horse. Also the award is for the whole year not for one game in the playoffs! Stop talking and face the facts woodson is defensive player of the year and the jets will crash and burn this weekend!

Sorry, please try again.

alysheba4 01-18-2010 10:50 AM

number 24 is unreal.....the chargers suck and so do DalASS.

nebrady 01-18-2010 12:51 PM

Yo kanye voting is over woodson defensive player of the year! Get over it. I know its gonna be hard for you, just like it will be for all you jets fans after next week when the colts finish what they started last time. Gonna be sweet to hear all the jets excuses next week and also next year!

Antitrust32 01-18-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady
Yo kanye voting is over woodson defensive player of the year! Get over it. I know its gonna be hard for you, just like it will be for all you jets fans after next week when the colts finish what they started last time. Gonna be sweet to hear all the jets excuses next week and also next year!

WTF did the Colts "start" last time??????? They lost!!!!

That was incredible, even for a Pats fan.

nebrady 01-18-2010 02:30 PM

Another jet fan who should think before talking! When manning and the starters came out they were winning. Admit it the jets got a gift. Big deal they beat the bungals and now the chargers who choke all the time in the playoffs. Next week its over and the crying can begin for you jets fans. Crash and burn back to reality!

Antitrust32 01-18-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady
Another jet fan who should think before talking! When manning and the starters came out they were winning. Admit it the jets got a gift. Big deal they beat the bungals and now the chargers who choke all the time in the playoffs. Next week its over and the crying can begin for you jets fans. Crash and burn back to reality!

lol

You will have AT LEAST two full weeks of crying in before Jets fans even have that possibility. So stop crying. Oh wait.


& I wish I was a Jets fan but I'm stuck with the Eagles.

ateamstupid 01-18-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
lol

You will have AT LEAST two full weeks of crying in before Jets fans even have that possibility. So stop crying. Oh wait.


& I wish I was a Jets fan but I'm stuck with the Eagles.

Don't you know. Anyone who calls that scumbag out on his hating ass nonsense is labeled a Jet fan right away.

Antitrust32 01-18-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Don't you know. Anyone who calls that scumbag out on his hating ass nonsense is labeled a Jet fan right away.

exactly,

eventhough any team who has a head coach with the last name of "Ryan", I am a fan of.

The greatest Royal Family.

Patrick333 01-19-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
exactly,

eventhough any team who has a head coach with the last name of "Ryan", I am a fan of.

The greatest Royal Family.

I agree with you on this one. I loved Buddy when he was coaching the Eagles.

ddthetide 01-19-2010 10:29 AM

an unfunny joke......
 
this years nfl playoffs. it's not about the best teams, it's about the hot teams.:wf

MaTH716 01-19-2010 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
this years nfl playoffs. it's not about the best teams, it's about the hot teams.:wf

I disagree. You have the #1 & 2 seeds in the NFC and the #1 seed and the Jets in the AFC. The Jets could fall into the hot category, but so could have the Packers (sorry Bob) and the Cowboys.

dalakhani 01-19-2010 11:14 AM

I disagree as well. 2 number 1 seeds, a legit number 2 seed and a team that went on the road twice and won with defense. "hot" implies breaks. I didnt see any of those teams that are in get an inordinate amount of breaks.

nebrady 01-20-2010 10:06 AM

Jets didn't get no breaks?
 
Your telling me the jets didn't get no breaks? Did we watch the same game. The jets offensive couldn't move the ball. The chargers had numerous penalities including two bonehead 15 yarders for a head butt and kicking a flag! Then rivers showed his true self and threw 2 interceptions, one that gave the jets the ball inside of the chargers 20! Oh and yeah the pro bowl kicker missed 3 field goals! Also 2 minutes to go instead of kicking it turner does an offside kick! With a time out and 2 minute warning to use. He's one of the bonehead head coaches i've ever seen and what do the chargers do give him an extension! Yes jets won it easy. Check the replay!

MaTH716 01-20-2010 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nebrady
Your telling me the jets didn't get no breaks? Did we watch the same game. The jets offensive couldn't move the ball. The chargers had numerous penalities including two bonehead 15 yarders for a head butt and kicking a flag! Then rivers showed his true self and threw 2 interceptions, one that gave the jets the ball inside of the chargers 20! Oh and yeah the pro bowl kicker missed 3 field goals! Also 2 minutes to go instead of kicking it turner does an offside kick! With a time out and 2 minute warning to use. He's one of the bonehead head coaches i've ever seen and what do the chargers do give him an extension! Yes jets won it easy. Check the replay!

I guess if you consider stupidity by the Chargers as a break for the Jets than yeah, I guess that's a break. But the interceptions, one was a bad throw that was the result of the Jets pressure and the other was an all pro play. Those aren't breaks, those are players making a play. Kaeding missing the 36 yarder was a break, no arguement from me but he sucked the whole game. As far as Norv goes, maybe he knew that his defense couldn't stop the Jets from getting 10 yards the way that they were both playing in the second half and thought that the onsides kick was his only chance to get the ball back. He was right, they couldn't stop them from the 45 what makes you think they would have stopped them from the 35? Like I said, as much as it hurts you to admit it, just give the Jets some credit.......they truely deserve it for their last 2 performances.

nebrady 01-20-2010 10:24 AM

You won congrats. But I still disagree the one interception landed in his lap. Check the replay. As for not thinking his defense could stop them. Maybe they couldn't. However technically the chargers defense did. The jets went for it on 4th down and made it. Your telling me if the chargers would have kicked it that the jets would have gone for it on 4th down in their territory! No way! Wouldn't have mattered though keading would have missed again probably! Good luck with the colts your gonna need it! lol

MaTH716 01-20-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nebrady
You won congrats. But I still disagree the one interception landed in his lap. Check the replay. As for not thinking his defense could stop them. Maybe they couldn't. However technically the chargers defense did. The jets went for it on 4th down and made it. Your telling me if the chargers would have kicked it that the jets would have gone for it on 4th down in their territory! No way! Wouldn't have mattered though keading would have missed again probably! Good luck with the colts your gonna need it! lol

I'm not even a Jets fan. As far as the interception, Revis had him covered well made a play to knock the ball away and then had the instincts to grab it out of the air. But you are entitled to your opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9LLwys7f8A

As far as the last Jets drive, I really believe that the play calling would have been different, but they would have made the first down if they were deep in their own zone. It just seemed like they figured out how to move the ball against the Bolts defense in the second half and would have got it done, but that's my own opinion.

As far as the Colts go, I'm really not sure. The Jets are playing really well and with a lot of confidence. They really believe and their defense is that good. I personally think that they will eventually need Sanchez to carry them for a few series and I'm not sure if he will be able to. He's seem to struggle in those 3rd and long situations (like the first half in SD). They stayed out of them in the second half and he was much better. He made a couple of great throws in that half. But as long as they keep the 3rd downs manageable and stay within a TD (if they should fall behind) then they definitely have a good chance to go to Miami. But if they fall behind 10-14 at the half, they might have to scrap the running at some point and it will be sqaurely on the #6's shoulders.

nebrady 01-20-2010 10:47 AM

Well see. Just think manning will dissect that defense. You don't need to throw at reavis to win. If they use dallas clark like the chargers did gates look out. As long as manning has time they will win. The jets offense is inept their gonna need breaks in both special teams and turnovers. Will know after sunday.

ateamstupid 01-20-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady
Well see. Just think manning will dissect that defense. You don't need to throw at reavis to win. If they use dallas clark like the chargers did gates look out. As long as manning has time they will win. The jets offense is inept their gonna need breaks in both special teams and turnovers. Will know after sunday.

Yeah the best running game in the NFL = an inept offense. Seriously, why are you still hating? You've been wrong twice and your team needs work. Let Jet fans have our fun for once.


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