Horses don't always improve with age ..

And yes I am aware what Rachel did this year, unlike you of Zenyatta ...

I expect you may need a visit to a proctologist soon, but that is beyond the scope of this discussion ...

I think that was a waffle ...

Right. RA was a much better 2yo than 3yo.

What did Z do that I'm missing? Beat Gio Ponti on Pro-ride? Let's see. Gio Ponti has three lifetime starts on synthetic, all over the SA version of that crap.

His first start was in an off the turf start where he beat the legendary Medjool, who has subsequently managed to finish third four times out of thirteen starts since then. In third was El Gato Malo.

His next start was in the Strub, where he finished fifth by 1.5 lengths to Cowboy Cal.

Then the second by 1 length to Z.

Tell me why again this is supposed to wow me?

I will defer to your vastly greater experiences in this arena and schedule an appointment for as soon as possible.

What should I look for in searching out a good proctologist?

I am not here to wow you ... You would not get it anyway ...

Any proctologist will do ...

Rachel had bone chips removed at two . She improved after that ...

There was a reason ...

I would not get it.... because....

there is freakin nothin to get........

I'll get right on the proctologist.... thing.... Should I mention I'm very regular....?

There was ... a... reason...? For what? You doing a James Kirk impersonation when you type?

Recto cranial inversion is a tough thing ... You may be regular, but RCI is the problem ...

Of course you would think there is nothing to get ...

Get well soon ...



















.

Article in DRF
http://www.drf.com/news/article/109970.html

Shirreffs does not mention in the article why he (or the Mosses) worked the "retired" horse a third time.

Does not seem like Zenyatta is losing her "edge" after this third work if she is breathing fire today at the barn.

Wonder if the Mosses are waiting for the Eclipse awards on January 18 to make a big splash announcement with the whole racing world watching. Two years ago, Jess Jackson announced at the Eclipse awards that Curlin would race as a four-year old.

Definitely makes the Eclipse awards a week from Monday must-see TV.

It would be stupid to race her, horses don't get better at 6, at least not 99% of them, and you she has no where to go but down.

If she runs one or two times more in March/April, she would only be 4 or 5 months older than when she won the BC Classic.

.
Yeah, but, on Jan 01, they all age a year.

There is always the possibility of her being unable to conceive and those results won't be made public until the Eclipse Awards.
(Juicy plot noise follows)

I will say a 48 second 1/2 mile is too fast at this point for an April race.

Her actual birthdate is April 1st, 2004. :D

She doesn't need to improve. If she just runs the way she's been running, I think she'll be fine.

I understand your argument that she has nowhere to go but down but I don't necessarily agree. As of right now, alot of people still doubt her. They think that she's not as good as RA and they mininmize her wins because the wins (with the exception of one) were on synthetic.

If she were to beat RA on the dirt, I think that Z may finally get the respect she deserves.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that they should run the horse again. I'm just saying that there could be some upside to running her again. If she won a big race or two on the dirt (and beat RA), it would finally shut up all the doubters for good and she would get the respect she deserves.

60,000 60,000? I've seen a day of over 70,000 on Arkansas Derby Day. Make the Apple Blossom, The Arkansas Derby and the Oaklawn Handi. all of the same day and make lot's of Pick 3's and 4's with them races.

they got their 3 yo colt gr 1, now they need to put some effort into the filly race and maybe the oaklawn handicap, formerly a gr 1. with dubai going to syn, oaklawn becomes a viable alternative.

From the Santa Anita stable notes, quoting the wife of Sherrifs:

“It’s very cold in Kentucky, two degrees,” Ingordo said when asked when Zenyatta might ship there for breeding. “We sent one horse there and it got sick.”

they said weeks ago that they might keep her in cali til breeding time, that they didn't want to put her in the cold before necessary. just because the clockers timed her the other day, doesn't mean it was an actual work for a race. hell, get jesse ventura on the case, he'll uncover the truth. :rolleyes:

noooo it's going to be like the movie Seabiscuit. They are just keeping her return under wraps for dramatic effect :) :)

It's definitely looking like her connections have their lips sealed until at least the Eclipse awards. Once again Moss was not very convincing in the winner's circle after Neko Bay won when he said that Zenyatta was only hanging around for the nice California weather.

Moss will get at least one chance to speak when Zenyatta receives the Eclipse for champion older female.

It could be that Moss will issue a challenge to Jackson when he gives his speech. Perhaps he has been consulting with folks from pro wrestling on how to do it with proper effect.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-still-retired

Lips unsealed. They said she's still retired.

They are going to breed her to Unusual Heat.

Not exactly--they said " nothing has changed " ...

The writer headlined the story as " retired " ...

It is totally true though that the weather in KY is really cold ...

It is probably true that Steve Willard--Zenyatta's regular rider was injured ...

It is probably less true that Zenyatta had to be officially worked by a new rider, and " she went a little fast " ...

It is possible that the new rider could have simply galloped her, unless they did not want to miss a work ...

They are still being vague ...

If the over-hyped eastern filly gets HotY … they're gunna come after her…

Really not sure that it is that, but HOY decision MAY be a factor ...

I hear they are considering sending her across seas to be bred to Sea the Stars.

Talk about a priceless baby!

No chance they let her travel that far. Even if that was the plan, they'd likely scratch the day of the "meeting" because of the cold or something.

Priceless why it wouldn't be for sale? What makes you think she is going to be able to reproduce anything close to what she is.What makes you think Sea The Stars is going to be able to reproduce his brilliance? I figure they both will be somewhat of a disappointment...How can't they be look at the expectations. Go look at the winners of the Kentucky Oaks the last 15 years and let me now how many good never mind PRICELESS broodmares you find..

:tro:

I wonder if it's possible that Moss and Jackson already have something lined up and the winner of the HOY will announce it next Monday.

There has to be something more behind risking injury to an extremely valuable mare by continuing to breeze her.

i wonder if the risk is any greater than shipping or foaling complications?

The only reason you would have for her not to be in a paddock by now is because you were leaving your options open, that doesnt mean she is a lock to race again but I would think its at least 50/50 she does.

With that being said, they should keep racing Zenyatta. Sooner or later RA and Z would have to meet and put an end to all this .

Check the '04 trifecta... Goulash (Ashado) & Sassy Pants (Madcap Escapade). Z's big sis was favored and dreadful in '05. Besides that, not so much.

The winners have been dreadful with a few hi lites sprinkled in. I have been told that many of the place and show hores in the Oaks have been very successful boddmares for an excellent source. I haven't check out if his statement is accurate but I believe him when he tells me something as I deem him extremely well versed on the subject, unlike a hack like myself.