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Riot 11-22-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
More times than I can count, people and/or groups in a position of power use the same techniques of those that they lambaste to achieve their ends. It's as if they are projecting their crap onto other people.

Yeah, when Beck sat there and called Obama a racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people, I thought, "poor Glenn, you feel nobody loves you?"

Now the scary buzzword this week is "rape". Beck, Limbaugh, conservative radio. Best when used in association with the black guy. I swear, these guys have professional fear-mongers consulting for them.

So in the past few months we've gone through threats of Hitler, Socialism, Communism, Stalin, Mao ... now rape. What threat is next? Smallpox? Plague?

This is hilarious from SNL last night: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_366748.html

SCUDSBROTHER 11-22-2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Christians are just Jews gone rogue, and Muslims view Jesus as a prophet.

There's alot to be said for Buddism, perhaps ....

No Doubt. Let me know when I can vote for one of those.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-22-2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
er, i was on your side. and i mean recently as in the last few years, where it's been only Muslims getting the press for their atrocities.

He doesn't care. He has a math project. If Hitler ever stepped foot in a church, then this guy is gunna say Adolf killed all those people to make Christ happy. I mean, really, if you were ever forced to go to Sunday School, then he's got your deeds put into the "Killing for Jesus" column. If you killed 5-10 deer, it must of been for Jesus. Meanwhile, the Muslims yell "Allahu Akbar!" to make sure you know exactly why they killed people (their gutter religion.)

dellinger63 11-22-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Christians are just Jews gone rogue, and Muslims view Jesus as a prophet.

There's alot to be said for Buddism, perhaps ....

This is how twisted you are. Ur a Republican who supports Obama, who thinks Carter 'got it' and now ur calling for Buddism? LOL ur Pres (OB) chose to 'heisman' the Dalai Lama until he saw the Red Chineese and everyone else. Maybe he'll bring him in for a beer in the Rose Garden in a couple months?

Riot 11-22-2009 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
This is how twisted you are. Ur a Republican who supports Obama, who thinks Carter 'got it' and now ur calling for Buddism? LOL ur Pres (OB) chose to 'heisman' the Dalai Lama until he saw the Red Chineese and everyone else. Maybe he'll bring him in for a beer in the Rose Garden in a couple months?

Your increasing level of attention to my political views is ... odd. Not to mention pretty inaccurate.

Yes, I voted for Obama. As did a whole lot of other moderate GOP. I waited two years to vote for McCain, but he screwed us over with that joke of a VP choice. He chose party over country. Sorry, John.

The only thing I've ever said here about Carter was that he understood the middle east was complicated (tribal relations independent of borders and country affiliation, mix of religions, etc). Yup, Carter "got it" from that angle. I've never said I supported Carter, or agreed with him. Didn't even vote for him.

No, I'm obviously not "calling for Buddism" How you got that from my post is .... :zz:

SCUDSBROTHER 11-22-2009 07:20 PM

Wow..A Pinto was a more exciting Ford than the one who was President. Maybe Riot is a Ford Republican.

dellinger63 11-22-2009 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Your increasing level of attention to my political views is ... odd. Not to mention pretty inaccurate.

Yes, I voted for Obama. As did a whole lot of other moderate GOP. I waited two years to vote for McCain, but he screwed us over with that joke of a VP choice. He chose party over country. Sorry, John.

The only thing I've ever said here about Carter was that he understood the middle east was complicated (tribal relations independent of borders and country affiliation, mix of religions, etc). Yup, Carter "got it" from that angle. I've never said I supported Carter, or agreed with him. Didn't even vote for him.

No, I'm obviously not "calling for Buddism" How you got that from my post is .... :zz:

I just find it amazing u are a 'moderate GOP' but never post as such... that is all

Coach Pants 11-22-2009 07:37 PM

"I've met holocaust survivors..."

STFU

Riot 11-22-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
"I've met holocaust survivors..."

STFU

I apologize for being pretty old.

Don't apologize for being a peckerhead. It's you ;)

Indian Charlie 11-22-2009 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
He doesn't care. He has a math project. If Hitler ever stepped foot in a church, then this guy is gunna say Adolf killed all those people to make Christ happy. I mean, really, if you were ever forced to go to Sunday School, then he's got your deeds put into the "Killing for Jesus" column. If you killed 5-10 deer, it must of been for Jesus. Meanwhile, the Muslims yell "Allahu Akbar!" to make sure you know exactly why they killed people (their gutter religion.)

Maybe.

Then again, maybe it has more to do with Hitler saying things like "I am doing Gods work" (in reference to killing Jews), among many other things besides stepping into a church.

What I find so ironic about you Steve is that you rip Islam while you so feverishly protect and promote a religion that says someone with your tastes is going to burn in hell.

Nice try though at belittling my position by dismissing the historical record and then saying Hitler is only a Christian because he stepped into a church once.

Oh, and Danzig, I knew you were on my side. I wasn't trying to attack you at all. Sorry.

There is this common belief these days that the Church, despite it's incredibly violent history, has suddenly turned over a new leaf and is no longer violent. It's ridiculous.

dagolfer33 11-22-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

There is this common belief these days that the Church, despite it's incredibly violent history, has suddenly turned over a new leaf and is no longer violent. It's ridiculous.

We have been beating, stabbing, beheading, and intimidating people for all of the 39 years I have been going to church....it's one of the best reasons to go.:rolleyes: Over the Thanksgiving hollidays we will be serving food to the needy, and while we are out we'll probably ruff up a few people to boot.

chucklestheclown 11-23-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Why or why not?

Yes. Twice. Because.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-23-2009 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Maybe.

Then again, maybe it has more to do with Hitler saying things like "I am doing Gods work" (in reference to killing Jews), among many other things besides stepping into a church.

What I find so ironic about you Steve is that you rip Islam while you so feverishly protect and promote a religion that says someone with your tastes is going to burn in hell.

Nice try though at belittling my position by dismissing the historical record and then saying Hitler is only a Christian because he stepped into a church once.

I feverishly protect and promote a religion? What? LOL? I promote a religion? My brother's a word for word Christian, and I couldn't tell ya the last time I talked to him. I don't like Conservative Catholics at all. Like I said, I think people would do well to teach their kids what Jesus said, n' fk the rest of that Bible. I don't know how that's promoting Christianity, because there is no form of Christianity (that I know of) that just teaches Christ's teachings. Christians didn't kill those 13 innocent soldiers (and an unborn child.) A Muslim did that, and he wanted everyone to know he did it for Islam. Muslims steered those Jets into buildings where innocent people were working. Muslims are the ones seen in those videos sacrificing Camels for their sick gutter religion. Like I've said before, they're religion judges people here on Earth, and destroys them. Christians have pretty much been letting God dish out the punishment after the non-believers die. That's not always the case (abortion doctor got owned,) but it usually is. You want to go back into history to a time Christians were acting like Muslims are now? Great. That's your way of excusing this scum? That's amazing. I see a big difference between the two religions. A big, big difference. I feer Islam a hell of a lot more. Can't say I like either. If we had a country of mainly Sean Hannity Christians ( Ultra-Conservative Catholics,) then ,yea, I'd be pretty scared. They're diluted. Muslims aren't. The so called Moderate Muslims have to fear for their lives (if they speak up.) You have no excuses for Islam being garbage. All you can do is say Christianity was that way back when. That does nothing. That doesn't protect anybody from this scum. It just makes you feel good.

Indian Charlie 11-23-2009 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
All you can do is say Christianity was that way back when.

Well, yeah, that and saying they are the same way now too, which is something you cannot seem to comprehend.

I'm willing to bet that if you lived in a Muslim country you'd be cursing out the Jews and Christians as being uncivilized monsters.

Give Steve-O a 20 second sound byte and he's good to go.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-23-2009 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Well, yeah, that and saying they are the same way now too, which is something you cannot seem to comprehend.

I'm willing to bet that if you lived in a Muslim country you'd be cursing out the Jews and Christians as being uncivilized monsters.

Give Steve-O a 20 second sound byte and he's good to go.

You're friggin amazing. The level of distortion n' distraction is unmatched. I'd surely of been killed by age 12 if I was born into Islam. They destroy those who won't believe. They off the ones who leave the religion. You've written about me, and Christianity. I was writing about Islam, and you didn't like it. So, being the sad lil contrarian return server, all you can do is distract/distort. You think people don't notice how you change the subject to distort? Half these people are baseball fans. They know when you're trying to change the eye level. Notice how some people just answered the original question at the start of the thread? You can only seem to respond to other responders. Do you not think your own view can simply stand alone? You must start returning someone's serve right away? Some people really like returning serve more than serving. Don't you think people can read your view, and an opposing view. Then decide? You must mix the 2 right away? Look at all these Conservative threads on here. How come I can just let them be up without feeling the need to get in there n' answer their views with a return of serve?.... It's because I can tolerate a difference of opinion, and return servers really struggle to tolerate a difference of opinion.

Riot 11-23-2009 09:42 AM

This hate on all of Islam is absurd. Islam far outnumbers Christianity in the world. There is plenty of it in this country. Are they all attacking us? No. Terrorists attacked us. Not Islam. Not the rest of the Americans who are Muslim, not the other 10,000 brave Muslims who serve in our Armed Services and protect us.

dellinger63 11-23-2009 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
This hate on all of Islam is absurd. Islam far outnumbers Christianity in the world. There is plenty of it in this country. Are they all attacking us? No. Terrorists attacked us. Not Islam. Not the rest of the Americans who are Muslim, not the other 10,000 brave Muslims who serve in our Armed Services and protect us.

make that 9,999 I guess.

randallscott35 11-23-2009 10:34 AM

If Church and state are supposed to be separate than of course you should be able to vote for an atheist president.

dylbert 11-23-2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Why or why not?

Only if s/he takes the oath of office on the Holy Bible!

dagolfer33 11-23-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
make that 9,999 I guess.

And they would gladly trade 1 of themselves for every 13 infidels.

Riot 11-23-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
make that 9,999 I guess.

Don't even get close to dissing our armed services or you'll find out how conservative I can be ;)

SOREHOOF 11-23-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
If Church and state are supposed to be separate than of course you should be able to vote for an atheist president.

There is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the constitution.
It reads.."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" Nothing at all about "separation".

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

Atheists are ok so long as they're not Commies too.

joeydb 11-23-2009 01:53 PM

Question: "Would you vote for an Atheist President?"

It depends. Is he or she Pro-Life?

Indian Charlie 11-23-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
You're friggin amazing. The level of distortion n' distraction is unmatched. I'd surely of been killed by age 12 if I was born into Islam. They destroy those who won't believe. They off the ones who leave the religion. You've written about me, and Christianity. I was writing about Islam, and you didn't like it. So, being the sad lil contrarian return server, all you can do is distract/distort. You think people don't notice how you change the subject to distort? Half these people are baseball fans. They know when you're trying to change the eye level. Notice how some people just answered the original question at the start of the thread? You can only seem to respond to other responders. Do you not think your own view can simply stand alone? You must start returning someone's serve right away? Some people really like returning serve more than serving. Don't you think people can read your view, and an opposing view. Then decide? You must mix the 2 right away? Look at all these Conservative threads on here. How come I can just let them be up without feeling the need to get in there n' answer their views with a return of serve?.... It's because I can tolerate a difference of opinion, and return servers really struggle to tolerate a difference of opinion.

Funny thing is man, you never seem to be able to address anything I bring up. You ignore my points, make little quips to dismiss those points and then do exactly what you accuse me of doing.

dellinger63 11-23-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Don't even get close to dissing our armed services or you'll find out how conservative I can be ;)

I wasn't dissing the military just the one soldier who decided to murder his comrades. He muslim they not. You do realize we've had a President who have been on record as saying 'he loathes the military' and another candidate who did everything in his power to not allow ballots cast by deployed troops to be counted?

OK now let's see how conservative you are! :D

letswastemoney 11-23-2009 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
Question: "Would you vote for an Atheist President?"

It depends. Is he or she Pro-Life?

I assume an atheist candidate would let the woman choose, since a lot of arguments for pro-life come from Christians.

Then again, this is probably a wild assumption. There could very well be an atheist candidate who finds abortion horrible without the influence of religion.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-23-2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Funny thing is man, you never seem to be able to address anything I bring up. You ignore my points, make little quips to dismiss those points and then do exactly what you accuse me of doing.


Yea, imagine that. I recognize when someone is trying to distort n' distract enough to somehow try to excuse the inexcusable. You can start a thread about the evils (past n' present) of Christianity, or you can just start writing about it in a new entry on this thread. I'm sure I'd agree with most of it. What I totally disagree with you on is your trying to excuse the violence Islam inflicts (on innocent people, and animals) by saying Christianity is somehow the same. It would only add to the damage. Those would be additional bad acts. They wouldn't lessen the damage done by Islam, or justify it. Only in your ill mind does it somehow lessen the damage done by Islam. The Muslims that knocked those buildings down didn't try to just kill Christians. They tried to kill non-Muslims. Same with the Muslim guy who killed all those soldiers in Texas. He didn't care if they were Christians. Long as they weren't Muslims, then it was just ducky. If I don't respond to a point you made it's because the point is being made in an effort to excuse, cloud, or equalize. I mean it's like I'm warning about a serial rapist, n' your upset that I am not (at the same time) warning about a car-theft ring. At the moment, I am more worried about buildings being knocked down, and innocent soldiers being shot on their own base. If someone is doing that in the name of Jesus, then please inform. It's still doesn't lessen the violence done by Islam. I don't agree with you about that. I have no idea why you think Islam's crimes are somehow negated. It's some sort of bizarre couching that eludes me at this time.

Riot 11-23-2009 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
I wasn't dissing the military just the one soldier who decided to murder his comrades. He muslim they not. You do realize we've had a President who have been on record as saying 'he loathes the military' and another candidate who did everything in his power to not allow ballots cast by deployed troops to be counted?

OK now let's see how conservative you are! :D

My point was not the murderous traitor, but the other 10,000 Muslims in our Army - including some laying dead in Arlington Cemetery after having given their lives for us in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Did you ever read the below, Dell? ;)

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And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or, if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal. - Bill Clinton, as a student

dellinger63 11-23-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
My point was not the murderous traitor, but the other 10,000 Muslims in our Army - including some laying dead in Arlington Cemetery after having given their lives for us in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Did you ever read the below, Dell? ;)

come on! To quote from a guy who said put some ice on that lip. You really gonna stand by your man as a true 'moderate conservative' ? If so that's funny but funny like a CLOWN!

dellinger63 11-23-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
come on! To quote from a guy who said put some ice on that lip. You really gonna stand by your man as a true 'moderate conservative' ? If so that's funny but funny like a CLOWN!

but ANYTHING you do w/Jimmy Carter is way funniier so aways go w/that material!

SOREHOOF 11-23-2009 09:18 PM

Atheists anyone? For Prez?

Honu 11-23-2009 09:38 PM

Perhaps , Im not sure though as I would hope that a person running the country would have some belief in a higher being or at least a sense of something or someone greater than themselves.

dellinger63 11-23-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
Atheists anyone? For Prez?

is an Atheist a pro-gun, american owned business orientated, anti-tax, guy who doesn't give a crap about who marries who or who aborts who or what Hugo and Fidel think, care or are even alive. He got my vote!

SOREHOOF 11-23-2009 09:47 PM

If they believe in America, that's a good start.

SOREHOOF 11-23-2009 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
is an Atheist a pro-gun, american owned business orientated, anti-tax, guy who doesn't give a crap about who marries who or who aborts who or what Hugo and Fidel think, care or are even alive. He got my vote!

I'll deal with that too. This country needs a good Atheist.

SOREHOOF 11-23-2009 09:51 PM

Rev. Wright ain't cutting it.

timmgirvan 11-23-2009 10:30 PM

Riot: there are currently less than 4000 Muslims in the Armed services.

GBBob 11-23-2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Riot: there are currently less than 4000 Muslims in the Armed services.

From the first site I googled, for what it's worth

Estimates vary from 4,000 to more than 12,000

Riot 11-23-2009 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
come on! To quote from a guy who said put some ice on that lip. You really gonna stand by your man as a true 'moderate conservative' ? If so that's funny but funny like a CLOWN!

?? You said Clinton said something, and it's apparent from the quote he never said it.

With you it's always the details, huh? ;)

Who is "my man"? What in the world are you talking about there?

Riot 11-23-2009 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Riot: there are currently less than 4000 Muslims in the Armed services.

My figure is what the Army told the news after the shooting (was in news articles that day)

Probably is 10,000, but only 4,000 will admit it - afraid of the Islamophobes.


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