not worried about it , even if we go down 0-2 , we can still come back and win with this team

Of course you can, this is baseball and anything can happen. And it is the Yankees. This will be a good, long, series.. But you have no clue about the team you are facing.

Very excited for tonites game already... GO PHILLIES!

what do you mean ? was that not there best pitcher last night, do you really expect pedro and hamels to pitch like lee???

burnett is better than pedro
pettite is better than hamels

i wouldn't trade starters with you in the next 2 games

You are already thinking about losing tonight? Thats not a very confident fan talking. I think the key to this series is Game 3. Whoever wins that game wins the series.

Utley is some kind of guy, aint he? As modest as the Northeast winters are long. And people wonder why A Rod is so hated and Utley is so loved?

won't bother me a bit, i would like to win tonight

if hamels is so good why is he not pitching tonight?

pedro in the cold weather in october , not worried a bit tim , even if we lose tonight we can still win

was that not YOUR best pitcher also?? this is great stuff gAles!!

And you also said CC was better than Lee, so take a look at your track record here..

I wouldnt trade line-ups with you in the next 2 games. Burnett is a righty and we are much better against righty's. Like I said, the Phils are not intimidated by any pitcher, let alone AJ Burnett and Andy Pettite.

I'll give you Pettite over Hamels for sure (the way they are pitching now) but if you would actually pay attention to the way Pedro has pitched its a wash at the very least. Lee killed the Yankee's with his command last night... Pedro is still one of the best in the whole univerise when it comes to command. this isnt the 2008 Mets Pedro we are talking about. He's healthy, happy, and confident. And still a 3 time Cy Young winner and one of the greatest pitchers (even though he cheated) in history.

Its gonna be a good game and could easily go either way, just dont understand all the yankee confidence. But I like it.. I love being the underdog.

um because he's not pitching good. Where did you get that statement from, your ass?

how much do you want to be that pedro will not last a full 5 innings tonight in the cold?

I dont bet my team or mush my team. I dont make predictions but I will stick up for my team.


So nothing.. how bout that?

One of the most underrated talents in this series is Pedro. Giving him the ball in game 2 is a potential series changing move. There are throwers with talent in this series and there are pitchers who baffle hitters to the point of dominance.

Pedro is a smart, albeit old, crafty vet who can still get people out, and has the ability to set up hitters like few pitchers in my lifetime. Don't underestimate Pedro in Game 2.

cc is better than lee - he wasn't last night but overall he is a little better

burnett is better than pedro by a larger margin than the above

pettite is better than hamels by a larger margin than both of the above

i personally don't think pedro can pitch in the cold anymore , it will be in the 50's come game time , if he goes the full 5 against this lineup i will be shocked

i personally dont think you have any idea what you are talking about... but keep on keeping on!

My confidence is definitley a bit shaken (not that I thought the Yanks are/were a lock to win it anyway).
The only positive that I can take out of last nights game is that CC didn't have his best stuff and only gave up 2 runs.
I'm not sure that Cliff Lee can be as dominate again (even though he has been lights out so far in the playoffs).

Otherwise,
The Yanks bullpen has issues.
Texieria, Matsui, Swisher, Cano just not hitting. Jeter and A-Rod can only carry a team so far.
No real other option on the bench to Sub for someone. Phils have such a gut of Left handers that kind of keeps Hinske on the bench (although wouldn't be suprised to see to see him tonight)
The choke factor, even though the are the defending world champs they seemed very loose last night. They are a good team and they know it.
Bombers seemed a bit tight last night and never got the hit or rally early enough to loosen up and get in the game. If they fall behind again tonight, you might see them gripping those a bats even tighter trying to make something happen. There is a ton of pressure on them.
The Girardi factor/small ball. They just refuse to play small ball when needed. Last night with Matsui on first and Cano up (who really has not hit much in the playoffs) and down a run. Let's him swing away and e hits into a DP.

So there are issues. Either Gales and other people don't want to admit it or they just don't believe it, but they are there. I do think that they will shell Pedro tonight. But with that being said I can also see Burnett giving up a few crooked numbers too. Probably will come down to which bullpen does the best damage control tonight. It just feels like a 9-8 game tonight and hopefully the Bombers come out on top.
Not in Panic mode, but I'm definitely concerned.

tell me where i am wrong

burnett is not better than pedro

pettite is not better than hamels

why would pedro all of a sudden become a good pitcher in cold weather when he hasn't pitched well in the last 5 yrs in cold weather.....maybe burnett blows up to and the philly bullpen wins the game , but, where is your faith in pedro to go more than 5 innings , he went 7 against the dodgers , do you not think he can do it tonight???

i'll take the matchups the next 2 games everyday of the week ..... the yankees will be favored in both of the next games becuase they have the better starting pitcher

i think both pitchers could blow up tonight, i just think the odds favor pedro blowing up more than burnett

Gales, Would you consider Pedro a big game pitcher?

in his prime yes

not anymore though

Its baseball, not tennis. Pitching matchups mean very little, especially in the post season. It does not matter who is better than who by the smallest of margins. As important as pitching is, there is more to winning baseball games.

And last night it wasnt Cliff Lee vs CC Sabbathia. What a joke, the 2 didnt face each other. It was played in an American League Stadium and the pitchers dont even bat. Even if it was played in Philadelphia and bothe pitchers batted 3-4 times, big deal. Its the other 25 batters that these guys are facing, not each other.

I hate the cliche of pitching matchups. Its really dumb when you think about it. The way people talked about CC vs Cliff Lee, you would think they were talking about 2 guys facing off in the finals of Wimbledon with nobody else factoring into the outcome.

Here's the big difference between you and I gales. You are so concerned about two guys, AJ Burnett and Pedro Martinez. When I know we have 9 guys (well 10 when we are playing AL style) that can do anything at any time. Pedro is only one part of the equation gales. This is a team game. Phillies play the best team game of anyone of any sport I can ever think of.

pitching wins in the playoffs , and in the regular season .... it's how odds are computed in vegas ..... do you think if Gaudin was starting tonight instead of Pedro the yanks would be -170 ???

that being said anything can happen in 1 game , but mlb odds are set based on starting pitching

lee offered value last night , i don't see pedro offering it, if you bet the phillies tonight you need your bullpen to win the game in my opinion (which could happen)

gales.. tell me.. have you even SEEN the man pitch this year?!!?!?!??! you sound like Riot in a politics thread right now!

You are aware that Charlie Manuel isn't looking or even needing a Lee like performance from Pedro tonight. I think Pedro's backclass is significant in this spot. The guys is a huge competitor that has pitched great in big spots before. He has played much of is career in the northeast so he's seen his share of cold weather games. Also I'm sure that Pedro would probably like to pitch another couple of seasons and tonight will be another open audition to the rest of the world (although he's probably done enough to get a contract out of someone next season).
You are underestimating a guy that has done plent of damage to the Yankees in the past.

I dont give a flying fucl< about Vegas odd's gales. That's all you. Dumbasses who get wet dreams over the Yankee's drive Vegas odds.

How'd those odd's work out for ya last night?

This is a damn baseball game and any thing can happen. I happen to be very happy being a Phillies fan. I cant wait to watch great games and find out what my team is made of. You and other Yankee fans like to celebrate before you even win anything.

yes i have - all against NL teams, not 1 start did he have to face a full 9 man lineup

how many times has he pitched when the game time temp was in the 50's ?

I really hope Pedro is in Red and White next year. We have enough starters to not have to beat the crap out of him with the amount of innings pitched.

But enough about next year. I'm ready for tonite!

i know that , he knows he will need the pen tonight, i just think he is going to need it a lot earlier than everybody thinks

i asked anti to bet me on if she thinks he will make it a full 5 innings tongiht
she didn't want to take it ....where is her confidence , her confidence is on her team to bail him out and win the game by getting into the yankee pen

i know that , he knows he will need the pen tonight, i just think he is going to need it a lot earlier than everybody thinks

i asked anti to bet me on if she thinks he will make it a full 5 innings tongiht
she didn't want to take it ....where is her confidence , her confidence is on her team to bail him out and win the game by getting into the yankee pen

Did you read my freaking post about betting?

Okay Riot, time to STFU.

And yes my confidence is on my TEAM because its a damn TEAM game! You are the one that doesnt get that!

I really don't think she cares whether Pedro pitchs a 2 hit shutout and win 1-0 or lasts 1/3 off an inning and wins 23-20. Just as long as they win.
Also I don't know where you are getting all this Burnett confidence from. Granted the guy has amazing stuff when he's on and has been pretty good so far in the playoffs. But he does have the knack for letting the wheels come off the bus quickly in an inning. Also this is the biggest spot he has ever pitched in, plus it gets magnified by the fact that they are already down 1-0 in the series. Remember Pedro is the one that has the backclass.

I'm sure she would be happy losing the bet if it meant the Phillies won the game and that scenario is definitley possible.

even if the phillies win tongiht the yankees can stil win the war in my opinion, what is your take if they lose tonight?

I'm SuRe Math wants to go to Philly for 3 straight games (where we rock the park harder than ANYWHERE!) down 2-0.

:rolleyes:

I said Yanks in 7. I never discounted or taken the Phillies lightly. I think that they are a very good team. Solid pitching and a very dangerous lineup with no real holes in it.
Sure they could still win the series if the lose tonight. Hell they could win if they go down 3-0. They did win 100 some odd games this year. A four game winning streak with this club is within the realm of possibility. But by no means will it be easy. You can't just turn it on and off against a team that is as good as the Phills. I really think you are discounting how good they actually are.

i know they are good , but without lee , and getting him in the middle of the season , do you really think they would be here without him?

you are such and idiot and I hope every team you root for loses every game they play for the rest of your life.

I'm gonna do work before I try to choke you through my computer screen.

explain it to me how they are here without lee? i don't see it , pedro is your 2nd starter , hamels stinks , blanton stinks , if you don't have lee how are you even in the playoffs???

My question is why is all the focus on Pedro tonight?

If I were a Yankee fan I would be more concerned with the Phillies hitters because in case you havent noticed, they are pretty good! And AJ Burnett is as much of a question mark as to which one will show up as Pedro, no?

I dont get it. Even if you guys (the Yankees) get 5-6 runs off Pedro, you still have to contain some pretty salty hitters on the Phillies.

It doesn't matter, they got him and they are here. You can't play the if and what game. It's irrelevant!

no pedro has no shot tonight timmy , burnett has some chance that is why the yanks are -170

Quite a bed shitting last night by the bombers.

Sigh. Again, you arent getting my point. Pedro is getting way too much attention. He can allow 6 runs and the Yankees can still lose if the wild Burnett shows up. I think this is going to be an offensive shootout tonight.
There is no way this game will be decided by the 2 guys starting.

Stop talking about Pedro!