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Riot 10-05-2009 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Well Mitchell would have no problem lying, however it is hard to hide the injury in front of thousands of people including the state vet. And are you able to accurately tell what injury a horse has sustained when pulled up? If so you and Riot and Dionne Warwick should start the Physic Friends Network, equine division.

Don't include me in your little "I imagine she said that, but she really didn't" fantasy attacks.

zippyneedsawin 10-05-2009 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I believe 2 horses broke down at Belmont on Sat.


Medina sustains broken collarbone

Apprentice jockey Jesiere Medina sustained a broken collarbone and is expected to miss about two months as a result of being thrown from her mount, Paddy's Double H, in Saturday's ninth race. Paddy's Double H had to be euthanized after suffering an apparent heart attack in the stretch of the nightcap.


was this one of the two you were refering to?

cmorioles 10-05-2009 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Which, to date, they do.

Sure they do...really helped at Delmar.

Riot 10-05-2009 06:37 PM

I do wish we were more like Japan in the sense that the public has a greater knowlege of the horses' health. Seems to be more transparency.

Riot 10-05-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Sure they do...really helped at Delmar.

Let's post the numbers over the past few years (again).

cmorioles 10-05-2009 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Let's post the numbers over the past few years (again).

There really are no accurate numbers, because they weren't kept.

Synthetics are no more or less dangerous than dirt. If the dirt tracks were repaired from the ground up, they would have been much safer than the old, worn out 100 year old dirt tracks. That is just common sense.

Racing thought they were buying an easy fix, but they found out it isn't true. Some people profited off of the fears of others...what else is new?

Rupert Pupkin 10-05-2009 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I was watching Grazen's race and thinking to myself:

'why is that IDIOT Gomez hellbent on PUSHING Grazen to the lead from the rail, when all he has to do is sit BEHIND Lethal Heat?'

I blame GG's ride for the breakdown in that instance. Putting undue/extra/unnecessary pressure on a game horse is not exactly the best way to go about things.

As for my 'defense' of POLY: I prefer FAIR tracks to all the SPEED FAVORING BIAS BS that is DIRT tracks. Moreover, I'm making a killing playing WO, AP, and the CALI POLY tracks. So much so, that I don't even bother with NYRA tracks (or any of the other dirt/turf tracks I used to play). Bet if I were a Beyer fanatic, I'd be bitching with the rest of you (losers).

P.S. I'd look more closely at TRAINING methods and RIDES by Jocks if I wanted to get to the bottom of why horses break down.

Most of Grazen's wins have been wire to wire. He went wire to wire sprinting and he went the half in :44 1/5. He's gone wire to wire routing going the half in :46 4/5. In the race on Saturday, he got the lead in :49 2/5. Why would a speed horse with :44 1/5 speed be taken back when he can get the lead in :49 2/5? Gomez is not a speed-crazy jockey by any means. But when he can get the lead going really slow (:49 2/5), he's going to go to the lead.

Honu 10-05-2009 08:11 PM

Why no talk about the 6 horses that died in Pamona in 2 weeks and the who know's how many that were pulled up and hauled off? , Why no talk about the horses that breakdown every night at Los Al , or every other race track in America?

cmorioles 10-05-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
Why no talk about the 6 horses that died in Pamona in 2 weeks and the who know's how many that were pulled up and hauled off? , Why no talk about the horses that breakdown every night at Los Al?

Probably because we heard enough about dirt breakdowns when synthetics were being hailed as the miracle surface. Of course, that hailing was coming from those lining their pockets with the installations.

the_fat_man 10-05-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Most of Grazen's wins have been wire to wire. He went wire to wire sprinting and he went the half in :44 1/5. He's gone wire to wire routing going the half in :46 4/5. In the race on Saturday, he got the lead in :49 2/5. Why would a speed horse with :44 1/5 speed be taken back when he can get the lead in :49 2/5? Gomez is not a speed-crazy jockey by any means. But when he can get the lead going really slow (:49 2/5), he's going to go to the lead.

Gomez actually has become speed crazy. Some of his rides since DMR have been ridiculous.

Here's the only way I can respond to this, as I just don't agree with the 'conventional' way of doing things.

There's ZERO chance that Lethal Heat wires the field. She's shown that she'll collapse late in many of her races. And, the only way to keep any other horse in the race is by giving it a perfect setup, like the winner got. With the rail and enough speed to be able to easily sit behind cheap speed like LH, all Gomez has to do is STALK. By doing so, he ensures that he wins the race and takes everything else out the race. All he has to do is sit just behind LH and make ONE BID mid stretch. Instead, he has LH on his butt the entire race, with Bold Chieftain getting a perfect trip, and has to really get into Grazen when LH comes after him on the turn. So, rather than running from midstretch to the wire, Grazen has to be driven from the turn to the wire.

Obviously, he probably wins the race as it was run if the horse doesn't break down but WHY not win it in an easier fashion with much less pressure on the horse? If Gomez were doing the work, he'd ride the way I described. But since the horse is doing the work he really doesn't care how he rides him; or breaks him down.

Just my opinion.

arizonadave 10-05-2009 08:44 PM

Turf Paradise has a dirt track and a new Turf course. season started last week and goes till May 2nd. They had over 3,000 stall applications for 1800stalls. Best days to bet is Monday Tuesday when the pools are 2-3 million dollars. Great weather and racing. Its a small track, but puts out a good product.

Honu 10-05-2009 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Probably because we heard enough about dirt breakdowns when synthetics were being hailed as the miracle surface. Of course, that hailing was coming from those lining their pockets with the installations.

It doesnt matter if they run on marshmellows if the people who are in charge of their care dont start looking at the way they treat the horses it is just going to be the same ole same o.

Cannon Shell 10-06-2009 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
Medina sustains broken collarbone

Apprentice jockey Jesiere Medina sustained a broken collarbone and is expected to miss about two months as a result of being thrown from her mount, Paddy's Double H, in Saturday's ninth race. Paddy's Double H had to be euthanized after suffering an apparent heart attack in the stretch of the nightcap.


was this one of the two you were refering to?

"Paddy's Double H broke down and fell in upper stretch"
was in the official chart of the race.

Cannon Shell 10-06-2009 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I do wish we were more like Japan in the sense that the public has a greater knowlege of the horses' health. Seems to be more transparency.

What???

Cannon Shell 10-06-2009 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
There really are no accurate numbers, because they weren't kept.

Exactly

King Glorious 10-06-2009 09:24 AM

It's funny reading this argument. The part that's funniest is when it's said that the track crews in CA just haven't learned how to properly maintain the tracks. In addition to be touted as able to cut down on injuries, the tracks were also sold as needing no maintenance.


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