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hoovesupsideyourhead 09-14-2009 01:48 PM

mr sales ring pooper scooper .. its a clean sweep..ie those beer ads..lol

MaTH716 09-14-2009 01:57 PM

141 gr/ro. c. Unbridled's Song – Goulash, Mari's Book. Big, scopy colt out of mare who has produced champion Ashado and four other stakes horses

925k, the highest one I've seen today so far.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-14-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
im buying hip 179 from jerry bailey..he will be named bobble head

Different Jerry Bailey.

Indian Charlie 09-14-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Different Jerry Bailey.

Whatever happened to that lawsuit where the jockey JB sued the agent JB for copyright infringement?

hoovesupsideyourhead 09-14-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Different Jerry Bailey.

i know..siacca seen sleeping in the corner with crumbs on his chest.

Scav 09-14-2009 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
i know..siacca seen sleeping in the corner with crumbs on his chest.

Woke up during the Giants Causeway/Azeri colt selling

:)

Cannon Shell 09-14-2009 03:31 PM

For breeders and farms, this sale is a bloodbath. Obviously some breeders havent adjusted their prices enough as seen by the high number of buybacks. These numbers will be frighteningly low as compared to years past.
If a person ever wanted to get involved with TB ownership there will never be a better time. AP Indy fillies out of stakes winning dams bringing less than 100k? Wow.

On a positive note Scavs/GBBob will be swinging into action tomorrow around 11am. Philski is the wingman.

Sightseek 09-14-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
For breeders and farms, this sale is a bloodbath. Obviously some breeders havent adjusted their prices enough as seen by the high number of buybacks. These numbers will be frighteningly low as compared to years past.
If a person ever wanted to get involved with TB ownership there will never be a better time. AP Indy fillies out of stakes winning dams bringing less than 100k? Wow.

On a positive note Scavs/GBBob will be swinging into action tomorrow around 11am. Philski is the wingman.

Do you think this will make it more likely that the rush to retire will cease for a bit?

NTamm1215 09-14-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
For breeders and farms, this sale is a bloodbath. Obviously some breeders havent adjusted their prices enough as seen by the high number of buybacks. These numbers will be frighteningly low as compared to years past.
If a person ever wanted to get involved with TB ownership there will never be a better time. AP Indy fillies out of stakes winning dams bringing less than 100k? Wow.

On a positive note Scavs/GBBob will be swinging into action tomorrow around 11am. Philski is the wingman.

They're going to get that Justenuffheart foal, right?

NT

Cannon Shell 09-14-2009 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Do you think this will make it more likely that the rush to retire will cease for a bit?

Well there will be less incentive to retire colts but then again Vinery just gave a lot of money for 1/2 of a pretty medicore prospect in POTN. There wont be as much money at the top of the market, the $40 million types but the lower end will still pay more than a horse will earn on the track. In theory this market should continue to collapse for at least another year or two. The bloodstock market in November will be much worse.

Cannon Shell 09-14-2009 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
They're going to get that Justenuffheart foal, right?

NT

NO!

Sightseek 09-14-2009 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Well there will be less incentive to retire colts but then again Vinery just gave a lot of money for 1/2 of a pretty medicore prospect in POTN. There wont be as much money at the top of the market, the $40 million types but the lower end will still pay more than a horse will earn on the track. In theory this market should continue to collapse for at least another year or two. The bloodstock market in November will be much worse.


Is this why your really sending Phil? :D

What happened to all the free food and beverages?
Jeffrey Seder of the EQB consulting firm joked that one sign of the Thoroughbred market’s health was the difficulty he was having finding a free cup of coffee at the September sales. Some consignors, when the auction business was doing better, had large spreads of food and provided drinks. But this year, they were cutting back on the freebies. To economize, Denali Stud’s Craig Bandoroff stopped offering pistachios. But you could still find rum cake at Mill Ridge Sales, and Lane’s End still was giving away hats with their stallions’ names on them.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...d-some-answers

Sightseek 09-14-2009 04:02 PM

Year No Head
Sold Gross Amount Average Price Median Price
2008 154 56,047,000 363,942 300,000
2009 107 24,949,000 233,168 200,000

Scav 09-14-2009 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Is this why your really sending Phil? :D

What happened to all the free food and beverages?
Jeffrey Seder of the EQB consulting firm joked that one sign of the Thoroughbred market’s health was the difficulty he was having finding a free cup of coffee at the September sales. Some consignors, when the auction business was doing better, had large spreads of food and provided drinks. But this year, they were cutting back on the freebies. To economize, Denali Stud’s Craig Bandoroff stopped offering pistachios. But you could still find rum cake at Mill Ridge Sales, and Lane’s End still was giving away hats with their stallions’ names on them.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...d-some-answers

It has definitely changed, Keeneland still supplying bottled water but last year Mill Ridge had a rockin area. Some of the smaller consigners had Jolly Ranchers today.

I WISH it was actually me being able to get a thoroughbred, with the bonus depreciation and new depreciation method for yearlings(4 year; 25% / 37.5%/25% /12.5%), you can recoup more then half of purchase price (25% then 50% on that final 75%) in a tax deduction so it would be a great idea if you did have the cash

philcski 09-14-2009 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Is this why your really sending Phil? :D

What happened to all the free food and beverages?
Jeffrey Seder of the EQB consulting firm joked that one sign of the Thoroughbred market’s health was the difficulty he was having finding a free cup of coffee at the September sales. Some consignors, when the auction business was doing better, had large spreads of food and provided drinks. But this year, they were cutting back on the freebies. To economize, Denali Stud’s Craig Bandoroff stopped offering pistachios. But you could still find rum cake at Mill Ridge Sales, and Lane’s End still was giving away hats with their stallions’ names on them.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...d-some-answers

ask chuck for the J Be K DVD i got for him from Gainesway!

this sale is an absolute bloodbath. Not a single seven figure purchase and lots of good flesh going through for much much much lower prices than expected. The half to Smarty Jones sold for $50k. FIFTY GRAND!!! That would have sold for $400k just a few years ago even if he was a total piece of sh1t (which he was, to be brutally honest.) Full to Malibu Mint for $130k an RNA (was an absolute head case though). A beatiful NYB half to Clock Stopper by Henny Hughes RNA for $30k (must have vetted poorly because she walked fine). Storm Cat half to AFLEET ALEX(!!) for $300k. Storm Cat out of Serena's Song for $450k. Average down from last year from $363k to $233k and down from 2007's $394k and 2006's $539k. Wow.

People, if you've ever been interested in ownership this is the time to do it. The later books will have gems for very cheap. GET INVOLVED!!!!!!!!

Scav 09-14-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
ask chuck for the J Be K DVD i got for him from Gainesway!

this sale is an absolute bloodbath. Not a single seven figure purchase and lots of good flesh going through for much much much lower prices than expected. The half to Smarty Jones sold for $50k. FIFTY GRAND!!! That would have sold for $400k just a few years ago even if he was a total piece of sh1t (which he was, to be brutally honest.) Full to Malibu Mint for $130k an RNA (was an absolute head case though). A beatiful NYB half to Clock Stopper by Henny Hughes RNA for $30k (must have vetted poorly because she walked fine). Storm Cat half to AFLEET ALEX(!!) for $300k. Storm Cat out of Serena's Song for $450k. Average down from last year from $363k to $233k and down from 2007's $394k and 2006's $539k. Wow.

People, if you've ever been interested in ownership this is the time to do it. The later books will have gems for very cheap. GET INVOLVED!!!!!!!!

This is partially true but people also need to consider that it takes alot of money from September XX to September 1st the following year or even longer to get them ready to run

VOL JACK 09-14-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
ask chuck for the J Be K DVD i got for him from Gainesway!

this sale is an absolute bloodbath. Not a single seven figure purchase and lots of good flesh going through for much much much lower prices than expected. The half to Smarty Jones sold for $50k. FIFTY GRAND!!! That would have sold for $400k just a few years ago even if he was a total piece of sh1t (which he was, to be brutally honest.) Full to Malibu Mint for $130k an RNA (was an absolute head case though). A beatiful NYB half to Clock Stopper by Henny Hughes RNA for $30k (must have vetted poorly because she walked fine). Storm Cat half to AFLEET ALEX(!!) for $300k. Storm Cat out of Serena's Song for $450k. Average down from last year from $363k to $233k and down from 2007's $394k and 2006's $539k. Wow.

People, if you've ever been interested in ownership this is the time to do it. The later books will have gems for very cheap. GET INVOLVED!!!!!!!!

The half to Afleet Alex was the real eye-opener for me.
Being a Filly, I thought she would be worth that if she never had a chance to make the track.

Riot 09-14-2009 05:52 PM

I saw alot of big names there today (Californians in strong) - must be sitting on their wallets, waiting for later books. But the repository was strangely dead and empty today, too, especially not alot of Florida vets up here (although people may not be vetting, I saw a couple with "not clean" rads get well sold today)

Sightseek 09-14-2009 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
ask chuck for the J Be K DVD i got for him from Gainesway!

this sale is an absolute bloodbath. Not a single seven figure purchase and lots of good flesh going through for much much much lower prices than expected. The half to Smarty Jones sold for $50k. FIFTY GRAND!!! That would have sold for $400k just a few years ago even if he was a total piece of sh1t (which he was, to be brutally honest.) Full to Malibu Mint for $130k an RNA (was an absolute head case though). A beatiful NYB half to Clock Stopper by Henny Hughes RNA for $30k (must have vetted poorly because she walked fine). Storm Cat half to AFLEET ALEX(!!) for $300k. Storm Cat out of Serena's Song for $450k. Average down from last year from $363k to $233k and down from 2007's $394k and 2006's $539k. Wow.

People, if you've ever been interested in ownership this is the time to do it. The later books will have gems for very cheap. GET INVOLVED!!!!!!!!

I have $5 if you want to pick up any of these horses:

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalID=4412

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalID=4393

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalID=4388

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalID=4328

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalID=4323

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalID=4319

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalID=4306

http://www.foaltrack.com/FoalDetail.aspx?FoalID=4258

Riot 09-14-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I have $5 if you want to pick up any of these horses:]

I like 347. I've got $10 ;)

Cannon Shell 09-14-2009 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
The half to Afleet Alex was the real eye-opener for me.
Being a Filly, I thought she would be worth that if she never had a chance to make the track.

The two AP Indy fillies out of young stakes winning mares selling for 65K and *90k (this was a public buyback of sorts as was bought by one of the breeders on a probable foal share deal) early in sale sale (hips 7 & 10) should have been enough to put everyone on notice. It is an extreme buyers market. The barns have been dead the entire sale. I looked at my entire list of book 1 horses in 3 hours Sat am simply because there was rarely anyone else in front of me. We went to the Eaton consignment after lunch today to finish up Wednsedays horses and there was literally no one else there. At 1:15 on Monday, there was virtually no one at one of the biggest outfits there. That says a lot. I know that the pinhookers are very weak this year (the vast majority of the missing FL vets work for pinhookers) but outside of the usual players there was no activity. A lot of the horses today were bought by foreign outfits. Even guys like Mike Ryan who buy a lot of horses were not very active.

Riot 09-14-2009 06:27 PM

Well, if it turns to complete disaster, at least local folks can take them home, no hay shortage this winter.

Cannon Shell 09-14-2009 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Well, if it turns to complete disaster, at least local folks can take them home, no hay shortage this winter.

Some can but a great deal of them cant afford to keep them. These are yearlings that need to be broke and go into training, not mares who can be kicked out in a field.

wac 09-14-2009 08:15 PM

i was wanting to go over and see the Sat sale is it open to the public? If so are there any dt'ers there? would love to meet some of the guys on here for the first time.

philcski 09-14-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wac
i was wanting to go over and see the Sat sale is it open to the public? If so are there any dt'ers there? would love to meet some of the guys on here for the first time.

All the sales are open to the public. Definitely will be some DT'ers there on Saturday- I probably will not be because I have to go to Cincinnati/Turfway but several others should be. If you've never been I'd recommend it, it's a lot of fun.

Cannon Shell 09-15-2009 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wac
i was wanting to go over and see the Sat sale is it open to the public? If so are there any dt'ers there? would love to meet some of the guys on here for the first time.

I will be there for sure

Kasept 09-15-2009 06:18 AM

Keeneland Sale: Day 2 'Hips to Watch'
 
222 $350,000 b. c. Kingmambo – Sand Springs, Dynaformer. First foal of G1 winner of more than $1.2 million

232 R.N.A. ($335,000) b. c. Distorted Humor – She's a Winner, A.P. Indy. Half to G1 winner Bluegrass Cat, now a stallion at WinStar

235 $360,000 b. f. Bernardini – Silken Cat, Storm Cat. Filly is out of Canadian champion 2-year-old and is a half to champion sprinter Speightstown

236 $500,000 db./b. f. Medaglia d'Oro - Slewpy's Storm

237 R.N.A. ($20,000) b. c. Seeking the Gold – Solvig, Caerleon. By top international sire, this colt is out of major winner of $800,694

238 $300,000 dk. b./br. f. Johannesburg – Spain, Thunder Gulch. By international juvenile sensation, filly is out of champion mare Spain, who earned more than $3.5 million and is dam of two stakes winners

245 $1,000,000 dk. b./br. f. Unbridled's Song – Strawberry Reason, Strawberry Road (AUS). Half to champion juvenile colt Vindication and three other stakes horses

260 R.N.A. ($475,000) dk. b./br. c. Storm Cat – Turko’s Turn, Turkoman. Half to Horse of the Year Point Given

267 R.N.A. ($290,000) dk. b./br. c. A.P. Indy – Victory Ride, Seeking the Gold. By Horse of the Year out of G1 winner

273 $220,000 b. c. A.P. Indy – Wife for Life, Dynaformer. By top active stallion, this colt is a half to multiple G1 winner Hollywood Story

274 $825,000 db./b. f. Unbridled's Song - Win McCool

278 $150,000 dk. b./br. Songandaprayer – Xtra Heat, Dixieland Heat. Out of champion filly who has produced two stakes winners already

301 $320,000 dk. b./br. c. Empire Maker – Candytuft, Dehere. Half to two-time BC Sprint winner Midnight Lute and two other stakes horses

321 $270,000 b. f. Bernardini – Dance Swiftly, Danzig. Dam is full sister to Dance Smartly and has produced two stakes winners

325 R.N.A. ($775,000) ch. f. Giant's Causeway – Dissemble (GB), Ahonoora (GB). Half to champion Leroidesanimaux and two other group winners

342 $2,050,000 dk. b./br. c. Storm Cat – Fleet Indian, Indian Charlie. First foal of champion mare, who won 13 of 19 starts, $1.7 million

OUT 343 dk. b./br. c. Street Cry (IRE) – Fleet Renee, Seattle Slew. By the emerging classic sire out of Mother Goose and Ashland winner

348 R.N.A. ($530,000) ch. c. Mr. Greeley – Gold Mover, Gold Fever. Out of very fast stakes winner of more than $1.5 million and 13 races

358 R.N.A. ($900,000) dk. b./br. f. Storm Cat – Island Fashion, Petionville. First foal of G1 winner who earned more than $2 million

362 $350,000 ch. c. Storm Cat – Justenuffheart, Broad Brush. Striking colt is a half to champion Dreaming of Anna and the young stallion Lewis Michael

OUT 369 dk. b./br. f. Tale of the Cat – Kobla, Strawberry Road (AUS). Half to top-class 3-year-old colt Quality Road

383 ch. c. A.P. Indy – Madcap Escapade, Hennessy. Lengthy and muscular colt is second foal of exceptionally fast G1 winner

OUT 385 gr/ro. c. Giant's Causeway – Marylebone, Unbridled's Song. Colt is out of winner of G1 Matron Stakes

387 b. f. Giant's Causeway – Meadow Flyer, Meadowlake. Half to G1 winner Henny Hughes, who is a young stallion for Darley at Jonabell

395 ch. f. Storm Cat – Myhrr, Mr. Prospector. Pretty Storm Cat filly out of sister to Kingmambo

397 dk. b./br. f. Hennessy – Myth, Ogygian. Full sister to international juvenile champion Johannesburg, now sire for Coolmore at Ashford

402 ch. c. Pivotal Palace – Weekend, Seattle Dancer. By outstanding European sire, this colt is a half to Palace Episode, winner of the G1 Racing Post Trophy

417 dk. b./br. c. First Samurai – Preach, Mr. Prospector. From first crop by sire, this colt is a half to major stallion Pulpit, both out of G1 winner Preach

Kasept 09-15-2009 06:45 AM

Yesterday's results...


Day One Hips to Watch RESULTS
From Frank Mitchell (DRF)

20 dk. b./br. c. Montjeu – Santa Catarina, Unbridled. $210,000 By European classic winner out of major graded winner

22 ch. c. Johannesburg – Satin Sunrise, Mr. Leader. $200,000 Half to important young sire Lion Heart

27 ch. c. Storm Cat – Serena's Song, Rahy. $450,000 Striking full brother to G1 winner Sophisticat, G2 winner Grand Reward. Dam was champion and multiple G1 winner

33 ch. c. Mr. Greeley – Starr County, Ogygian. R.N.A. ($140,000) By arguably best active international sire, colt is half to Gygistar, G1 winner of $1.1 million

OUT 34 dk. b./br. c. Storm Cat – Starrer, Dynaformer. Out of multiple G1 winner and earner of more than $1 million

39 ch. c. Speightstown - Taj Aire $700,000

40 ch. c. Storm Cat – Takesmybreathaway, Gone West. $300,000 Dam produced Frost Giant, Suburban winner, by Giant ’s Causeway

41 gr/ro. f. Bernardini – Tap Your Heels, Unbridled. $500,000 Half-sister to leading sire Tapit and by classic winner

65 dk. b./br. c. Tapit – Wild Vision, Wild Again. $525,000 Full to graded winner War Echo and closely related to major winner Pyro, by Tapit’s sire Pulpit

79 b. c. Badge of Silver – Another Vegetarian, Stalwart. $150,000 Grand and well-balanced half to G1 winner Sweet Talker

81 ch. f. Giant's Causeway – Azeri, Jade Hunter. $800,000 By Storm Cat’s best son out of Horse of the Year

94 dk. b./br. f. Bernardini – Carson Jen, Carson City. R.N.A. (775,000) Quick and early-looking half to stakes winners E Z Warrior and J Z Wa r r i o r

98 b. c. Malibu Moon – Chasethewildwind, Forty Niner. R.N.A. (230,000) By a top son of A.P. Indy and a half to G1 winner Albertus Maximus

99 b. c. Bernardini – Chili Cat, Storm Cat. R.N.A. (120,000) First foal of quick mare who is half-sister to Alabama winner Pine Island

103 b. c. Unbridled's Song – Clear Mandate, Deputy Minister. $280,000 May foal out of G1 winner who has produced two stakes winners

141 gr/ro. c. Unbridled's Song – Goulash, Mari's Book. $925,000 Big, scopy colt out of mare who has produced champion Ashado and four other stakes horses

OUT 146 ch. c. Distorted Humor – Happy Ticket, Anet. First foal of very fast G1 winner of more than $1.6 million

151 b. f. Holy Roman Emperor – I'll Get Along, Smile. $50,000 From first crop of leading European juvenile colt, this yearling is a half-sister to Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner Smarty Jones

OUT 153 ch. c. Ghostzapper – Irish Cherry, Irish Open. From second crop of Horse of the Year and a half to G1 winners Spun Sugar and Daaher

OUT 174 b. f. Storm Cat – Love Me True, Kingmambo. Half to Euro champion Duke of Marmalade (by Danehill)

177 dk. b./br. f. Storm Cat – Maggy Hawk, Hawkster. $300,000 Half to Preakness, Belmont, and Hopeful winner Afleet Alex

179 b. c. Kingmambo – Marienbad, Darshaan. $550,000 Half to Euro champion Marienbard, winner of Arc de Triomphe

187 DB/BR.C. Storm Cat -- Moon Safari $750,000

191 dk. b./br. f. A.P. Indy – Nataliano, Fappiano. R.N.A. (425,000) Full sister to G1 winner A. P. Adventure

OUT 202 dk. b./br. f. Distorted Humor – Point Ashley, Point Given. By top young sire, this filly is first foal out of G1 winner

203 ch. f. Lion Heart – Pretty 'n Smart, Beau Genius. $350,000 Pretty filly is full to current graded winner Heart Ashley

freddymo 09-15-2009 08:16 AM

I suggest that the penned up demand for horses will be realized in the coming 2 year old sales of '10. The money is out there it just seems to be resting. Not one million dollar horse is something I didn't think was possible in 2009. That is why it's called a market.. I guess!

Everyone was so pumped about the Saratoga sale..That proved as phony as 13 dollar bill.

freddymo 09-15-2009 08:47 AM

Day 2 will be better then day 1.. Last licks on a few Storm Cat's that could fight for breeding bucks if successful. Who would be surprised to see Live Oak buy hip 325. Mr Mott could certainly work with that page.

VOL JACK 09-15-2009 08:56 AM

I like the looks of hips 280, 282, and 287.
The 301 that is a half to Midnite Lute probaly will bring some coin.

freddymo 09-15-2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I like the looks of hips 280, 282, and 287.
The 301 that is a half to Midnite Lute probaly will bring some coin.

They bred a turf router to a sprint champ producer..Don't get it?

VOL JACK 09-15-2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
They bred a turf router to a sprint champ producer..Don't get it?

Maybe Linda Rice will be buying.

freddymo 09-15-2009 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Maybe Linda Rice will be buying.


These Bernardini's have so great looking heads

freddymo 09-15-2009 09:56 AM

227 brought very good money for a filly (650k)

CSC 09-15-2009 10:30 AM

I wish I had 120K lying around to buy The Bernardini - Chilli Cat, I wonder what is turning off buyers on this one?

Linny 09-15-2009 10:30 AM

Finally, a $1m bid. #245 UBS x Strawberry Reason.

CSC 09-15-2009 10:37 AM

235 b. f. Bernardini – Silken Cat, Storm Cat. Filly is out of Canadian champion 2-year-old and is a half to champion sprinter Speightstown

321 b. f. Bernardini – Dance Swiftly, Danzig. Dam is full sister to Dance Smartly and has produced two stakes winners

I read somewhere Sam Son Farms were cutting back on their operation, Interesting they let these go. Good bloodlines here.

freddymo 09-15-2009 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Finally, a $1m bid. #245 UBS x Strawberry Reason.

Bred for SOUNDNESS and a LONG CAREER

Indian Charlie 09-15-2009 11:34 AM

Wow!

Hip 280, a Giant's Causeway filly from a really nice Golden Eagle Farm family just went for 5k!

I hope PG got that one for a pet!


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