You know how the NCAA will vacate champions after violations are found and wins are forfeited? The Belmont from last year should have the same thing happen.

If you keep dissing "the pill" you will have to deal with DTTide.

If Moss wants HOY he has to get thru Rachel in the Beldame and Sea the Stars potentially in the Classic.. If Zenyatta beats those two horse she will be the greatest mare ever. He desires her shot she hasn't lost yet.

Seriously what is the friggin Goodwood mean after Rachel's performance today?

Why does anybody think that she had a shot at horse of the year after her last race and the fact that they refuse to think out of the box in any manner at all? It is hard to fathom any horse running now ever being the greatest anything ever. Maybe she can be the greatest synthetic filly ever? She should at least be running against the plug older horses out there if they want to be considered.

If Rachel didn't win the Haskell and Woodward she had a shot if they won the Classic and was undefeated. Who cares about HOY anyway. Sherriffs needs to test the mare not for the public but for the connections. Why this guy is babying a 1300 pound 5 year old mare is beyond me. It's a tremendous disservice to the Moss's they deserve better and so does the mare.

I almost wish Z'd lost the last race by a little bit, and while that sounds blasphemous I'll tell you why, it's because it would get them out of their undefeated protective bubble. I think they're more about trying to do preservation than anything right now, not that it's not understandable. Are we certain she's going in the BC Classic or is everyone just assuming? I mean it's what I would do, but obviously I don't own a glorious mare like that. It's easy to tell someone else what to do with their horse.

The mere suggestion that she needs to expand her horizons id hardly earth shattering..

I have no problem with the way they have handled their mare--provided the most they aspire to is the Older F&M championship. But if anybody opens their yap about HOY, they are "crazy" (if I may quote Andy Serling's post-race characterization today of anybody suggesting HOY candidates other than RA).

They have aimed low and they will likely succeed in hitting that target.

If she stays healthy, the BC Classic at Churchill. I think she would have trouble holding on at a mile and a quarter against better horses with the fractions she ran today.

If Zenyatta does not run against RA and beats Europe's best males in the BC Classic for her second BC win and to remain undefeated, I think she srill has a solid chance at HOY. I'm just not sure whether she will indeed win the BC Classic.

There are only two horses with a chance at Horse of the Year, and Zenyatta isn't one of them.

I'd say Rachel has it locked up, but what if Gio Ponti were to go undefeated the rest of the way? And what if he ran in and won the Breeders' Cup Classic? He didn't run badly in the Strub.

I'm just sayin'.

I'll do that right after you go suck 10 dicks. So...I'll buy a horse tomorrow.

LOL, YOU ARE A LEGEND.

Anybody suggesting she isn't the horse of the year and could actually get beat is in denial and smoking crack.

Zenyatta? GIO PONTI?!?!? Please.

We can make tons of crazy scenario's for HOY. What if they all show up in the Beldame.....Rachel, Icon, Zenyatta and Carless.... Icon cruises then wins any Breeders Cup race, what happens then? Same thing with Zenyatta? What if Rachel shuts it down, Summer Bird wins JCGC and BCC? Then what? Zenyatta stays out West, stays undefeated and runs in the classic, beats Sea the Stars and all the Birds and everyone else, then what? Rail Trip cruises tomorrow, then beats them all in the Classic? Sea the Stars beats all 12-14 of them in the classic? I will say this, if Zenyatta does not come and beat Rachel she HAS TO WIN THE CLASSIC, not the Distaff/Ladies Classic.

I would say these are the only horses who have any chance at all at HOY and they all would have to hope Rachel runs again and gets beat...

Rachel 1-9

Zenyatta
Rail Trip
Summer Bird
Sea the Stars..... they all have outside chances but things would have to go perfect



Icon Project, I am putting her only because I beleive she is a stayer and at 1 1/4 could do some damage, maybe classic?
Gio Ponti..... these 2 need TONS OF HELP.

I dont see how anyone else has any prayer.

I have a greater chance of running in the Beldame than Zenyatta.

Wow, a homoerotic response from you. What a shock.

Who frikkin cares about HOY? She did what she had to do. Great race! I just got home. She took on all comers and beat them. What more does anyone want? She just showed the Whitney was the real deal with the 1st 2 finishers coming at her. If she doesn't toss Borel I have the tri for 10 bucks. Then I put 20 on Macho to win instead. Oh well . What could any true fan have to b!tch about? Pacific whatever who the fk cares? Synthetics have ruined West coast racing. Zenyatta (who I love) has beaten a bunch of carpet rats. BFD. HOY doesn't mean crap. Rachel has a season for the ages going. If a 3 year old colt accomplished what she has the world would be raving, and they should be. But she's a filly, so the world should be spinning sideways. Mine is.

She's my Horse Of The Decade!

Let's dismiss your conjecture with some FACTS.

• Rachel Alexandra just won 9th straight race; 8th this year.
• Fifth consecutive Grade 1 victory: Kentucky Oaks, Preakness, Mother Goose, Haskell, and Woodward. Have you ever heard of these races?
• History would suggest that any male horse who won Preakness, Haskell and Woodward would be "clubhouse leader" for Horse of the Year with or without Breeders' Cup victory. Add Kentucky Oaks and Mother Goose and "virtual lock" is not unrealistic on HOY honors.

And you would know all about homoeroticism considering you proudly tout being on AOL.

I didn't say anything about HOY. I don't give a s.hit about awards shows.

You read as well as you write, too. The wonders of a GED never cease.

She had it locked up before today's race so I don't see anything changing after.

She doesn't want anything to do with a 1 1/4 against the horses she raced today.

Technically this is typing but being the brilliant homo you are, much in the likeness of Wilde, you'll weasel your way out of it.

There is 2 racing worlds, the one where they they race on the funny stuff, and the one where they race on God's Brown Dirt. HOY can live in an alternate universe. Who cares about awards? Rachel proved she's the best. Thanks Jess. This validated the Whitney. Commentator ran a hell of a race in his last one. West Coast is kind of like the minor leagues.

Beating Macho by a diminishing head at 1 1/8 miles makes you HOY? Whitney winner Bullsbay checked in 10th at Hol Gold Cup. Rachel wouldn't hit the board in Pacific Classic. Good 3yo filly... the Woodward aint what it use to be.
HOY = Rail Trip -- Gold Cup winner, Pacific Classic winner, Breeders Cup Classic winner.

What an idiotic post. By Rail Trip, do you mean Ball Four's whipping boy?

Let's see Rail Trip win the rubber match with Informed before we crown him anything.

You should learn to take race dynamics into consideration when creating opinions in thoroughbred racing.

NT

Elle oh Hell.

By that kind of logic, then when you are referring to Rachel, you must mean, SaraLouise's, Garden District's, and Songstress's whipping boy?

So....still feel the same about ole' Rail Trip?

3rd in a 12 horse field -- ran good but no world beater.

dubai is a synthetic track, so i seriously doubt she shows up there.

i'd imagine they'll plan a campaign to culminate with the bc at churchill. maybe the met mile along the way? that would be sweet. but i'm really hoping to see them bring her to oaklawn for the apple blossom.


as for HOY, i think she's got it wrapped up. she's run and won from fed thru september. all wins, with five gr 1's in a row, including two wins over colts and a win in open company. not just the first filly to ever win the woodward, but also the first 3 yo to win that race since holy bull in '94.

zenyatta would have to race in and win the classic to even be considered. i doubt they run her there.
summer bird lost to rachel, so i don't see him getting more votes then her.
rail trip just lost, so he's up against it.
euro horse getting hoy-we have tremendously good horses this year, so i would think he had no shot at an eclipse unless he ran in and won the turf, he could then steal the turf award from gio ponti.
icon project won't get hoy-she hasn't gone undefeated, and hasn't taken on the horses that rachel has faced.
gio ponti would have to win the classic, and even then i don't think he'd get the votes because he's been a turfer for much of the year.

rachel has accomplished quite a bit-i have a hard time seeing anyone taking the nod away-but there's still racing left, so we'll see.

so, you don't suppose tactics would change for a longer race? nah, that can't be at all....:rolleyes:

the woodward was the icing on the cake. or are you conveniently ignoring all her other wins?

and lol at hoy=rail trip.

All I was saying is what if... Read my opening sentence. Right now she is clearly the leader. Rail Trip lost all chance yesterday, regardless of what he does from now on. I would guess the only ones with a Hope to win it are... Zenyatta, Sea the Stars and Summer Bird.

Rail Tripped is a dog. Zenyatta needs a lemonade stand to be considered great. Summer Bird was born the wrong year.

Freddy its all what if. It really dont matter to me. But if Zenyatta goes into the Classic undefeated and beats the Birds and Sea the Stars, she will win it. If Summer Bird wins the JCGC and Classic, I think he has a shot.