Last 4 games last year....

Tavarias Jackson 57 of 89 740 yards 8 touchdowns 1 interception 115.4 quarterback rating...


Brett Favre 75 of 132 764 yards 2 touchdowns 8 interceptions 53.3 quarterback rating.


You'd have a real hard time convicing me that Favre is better than Jackson right now.

You're in idaho. its not like you actually saw him play last year.

farve blows. some games he looks like superman. but then he has equally poor games. he'll lose as many as he'll win for you. He's as consistent as Riots GOP beliefs.

it's Favre. He's on TV. they do let you have cable AND satellite out here believe it or not!! I know...tough to grasp.

:)

the vikes obviously feel he's their best bet. and you did see about ticket/merchandise sales since the announcement?

:eek: Um, I hate to break it to you but the Jets had one of the best O-Lines in football.

Um, i hate to break it to you but generally lines either block run well or block pass well and rarely do they do both well. the truly elite lines like the 91 skins or 95 cowboys for example, are rare exceptions.

The jets line was built to run behind...not protect the passer.

What's my tab with you? $100? I'll bet $80 against that $100 that the Packers win at least as many games as the Vikings this year. If you want we can split it up into two $40 against $50 bets and you can placate your Cutlerboner and have the Bears against the Packers in the second bet.

Aaron Rodgers > Bret Favre > Rex Grossman > Jay Cutler

You think the Packers are going to have more wins then the Bears?

Do you watch football?

Yes, and I think the Packers are going to be very good this year. Aaron Rodgers looks really good this preseason and I think he's going to have a great year this year finally having an offseason knowing that he was the man. They had 7 losses by 4 points or less last year which is tied for the second most in NFL history. Most of that was on the defense but expect their defense to be vastly improved this year with Dom Capers. First year with Dom Capers as defensive coordinator:

1992 - Pittsburgh - improved from 22nd to 2nd
1999 - Jacksonsville - improved from 17th to 1st
2006 - Miami - improved from 15th to 5th

If he can improve the Packers from the 22nd defense to the 14th that already turns 4 of those 7 losses into wins and makes them a 10 win team. If he does more than that and the offense improves it could be an 11 or 12 win team.

The Packers will be decent this year, only because their offense is awesome. That alone will keep them in games, but their defense is very questionable. A completely new system without a bunch of rocket scientists, where I expect them to get better later in the season, but it will be too late

A 3-4 defense is dependent on a stud nose tackle. I think BJ Raji can be that guy. Even if Nick Barnett isn't back 100% this year they will still have a good defense, if he comes back strong they could be really good.

Tom...it might be questionable....but they look very good defensively so far. I think there question mark is the running game. It wouldn't surprise me if they take the division. It also wouldn't surprise me if the Vikes fall to 3rd.

IT IS THE PRESEASON.

Personally, I think Packers and Bears fans love the fact that the Vikings got Favre, the Bears have owned him in his late years, and the Packers game will be epic because that defense is going to be so fired up, and Favre, regardless of what he says, wants to beat them BAD!!

So what I wanted to say was that I think Favre will do more harm then good

Bears are getting burned in the secondary. But I'm going to put that in the IT IS THE PRESEASON category, NOT!!!!. Granted what the Packers have played have been creampuffs so far, but so is the potential on the schedule. I'm going to go with Dom Capers history and their personel.

The Capers factor is legit, the defence will be much improved. I think Rogers will have a big year with this division going down to the wire.

Those are sucker bets.

I will bet vikings vs. packers even up. If they end up with the same record, then the bet pushes.

50 dollars.

Deal?

Dream on. You read my posts already and know that you are so wrong with your raging double Favreboner and Cutlerboner. Unlike you the rest of the universe hasn't been privy to my point. And on Sportsbook.com right now they are offering Vikings +140, Bears +180, Packers +200.

Give me 1/2 a game and I'll take the bet.


Sorry Bob...

We will have to find something else to wager on. I'm sure there will be many opportunities.

How do you simaltaneouly want to have sex with Bret Favre, Jay Cutler, and the entire Green Bay Packers football team? Don't you at least restrain your lust to half a division?

LOL Sniper has been drinking again. I am pretty much on the same page with you about Favre being overrated but that doesnt I dont think he can play. He is, in my opinion, an upgrade over Tavaris Jackson or Gus. I think that makes minnesota a better team this year than last year.

As for Cutler, if you don't think he can play i dont know what to tell you. The guy has probably the best arm in football and he makes plays. Is he brady? No, but again...he is a huge upgrade over Orton or Grossman.

As far as who the hottest QB is, Mr. Brady is by far the winner!

Drinking has nothing to do with it, I'm not even drinking. How many Broncos games did you watch last year? I watched at least 12 and probably more so I have seen how badly Brandon Marshall bailed out Cutler play after play. If you think he will succeed this year then why wouldn't you take my bet? Did all my points about Green Bay override your nightly fantasies about Cutler?

I can't count the Denver games I watched last year although i am sure that it wasnt twelve. We have the ticket but I didn't end up tuning them in that often. I have watched Cutler play since he was at Vandy and he has always impressed me. Certainly not my favorite QB but he is no doubt an upgrade.

You seem really impressed with your analysis of Green Bay this season. Sniper, I can't speak for anyone else, but I can say that your prediction of their success shows a truly keen understanding of football.

If you are so confident in Green Bay and your analysis, you should bet me straight up. Its only $50.

I'll give you $50 against $50 on the Bears if you'll also take $40 against $50 on the Vikings.

I'll take 40 against 50 with the vikings straight up, ties push. Deal?

Where ya been? Lining up a bailout?

LOL. what? All of the flack i take from you and you don't even give me one stinkin winner the whole meet. Come on Chuck. I dont care if its 9/5...send me a winner.

I love the filly in the Woodward...

She isnt going to be 9/5.

A lot of people are convinced the Pats are going to walk to the title. Is it just me or does that look like a team that is going to have a difficult time running the football?

The Pats jumped the shark, I believe...






Randy Moss sucks











The white one i mean....

I certainly wouldnt count them out as Brady is still Brady and the Black Moss and company are still going to put up points. But who is going to run the ball? Sammy Morris? Fred Taylor?? Phoney Maroney???

I just wonder if the replacements they have for the vets that have left are up to par? Not to mention the O line didnt have a great year last year and the secondary is shaky.

It seems like forever since they have had a good secondary. The line is getting old but i have to wonder if the year they had last year was more a result of having Cassel instead of Brady.

They will be tough but this isnt the same team as two years ago thats for sure.

And the line 2 years ago didnt do a very good job against the giants in the SB. Brady got hit a lot. Hell he got hit alot against the bengals last week.

OK, I am even more confident now after watching them embarrass the Cards. Not only am I going to win this bet but also Aaron Rodgers is going to be the NFL MVP.

It should be a pretty fun wager.

Any added incentive to root against Bret Favre is always fun.

So how about that Packer D?

(It makes me sick that I have to mention this)

The Packers Defense was amazing today.