Never said he didnt have earlier issues, but they had NOTHING to do with dividing a team in the locker room. This team's core group of guys is too good to let Vick's past spike a wedge between it. Now, if he was in everyone's ear about things, trying to clamor up support from certain guys and giving the cold shoulder to others, like T.O., then I'd say we have a problem. We don't have that though. What we have is a top 5 team, even with 2nd team O-linemen and middle linebacker.

i have a hard time believing all his teams had no problem with him flipping off their ticket buyers...but, whatever-not my problem since, thankfully, my team didn't take him.

Don't mix issues that the owners or public relations staffs might have had problems with what the players themselves have problems with. Players around the league are overwhelmingly in support of Vick.

like i said, he's not on my team, so i don't care.

Vick did his time ... and if a stand-up guy like Dungy feels that he deserves a second chance, that's more than good enough for me.

Seems like some people on these various internet message boards want to put dogs on the same level as human beings ... which is ridiculous.


People need to lay off the guy and let him play some ball...

Just Dogs? Dogs are indeed bred to be man's best friend. They are bred to love you as much as is genetically possible. They select for that. Try getting a fkn wolf to come to you. You'll see a huge difference. DOGS ARE BRED TO LOVE PEOPLE (even the dogs that people breed to fight.) Try getting any other killer animal to love humans. It's hard, because they haven't been bred for that. He didn't go out and kill something that had no natural affection for him(cows, deer etc.) He killed dogs that naturally liked him. Dogs usually like people, and especially the ones that feed them. They simply aren't bred for us to kill. They are domesticated animals. I'm not saying it'd be great if he killed wolves, but at least he wouldn't be killing something bred to be his friend. Something bred to be as much like people as can be selected for. They are very smart. They reason. They show affection. They protect their people. They are bred to love (and protect) people. They aren't bred for sick people to get their rocks off watching them suffer.

funny, i read in the same thread that people are elevating humans above dogs-now, they're 'just' dogs. either way, vick is a convicted felon. i'd imagine if a convicted felon came in to just about anyone on here's job and asked for an application, the thought about a 'second chance' wouldn't apply...

It's a "liberal" thing:D

Thats REALLY f'd up... its okay to torture and hang and electrocute animals.. wow

it makes tons of sense with the shortage of QB's. 1.6 mil. for a year plus hes a great bargaining chip for next year if some OTHER team is in need for a QB. the eagles are going to make out on this deal as long as he stays healthy and OUT of trouble. it was a shrewd move by them! yes, what he did was WRONG. but, he did 2 years in the pokey, he paid the price. people get in cars drunk, kill someone else, and get less time. some of these pedophiles get less than 2 years. the guy did 2 years ,THATS NO JOKE! is he supposed to be doomed for life due to dog fighting? its one of the reasons the jails are full. no one will hire these people when they get out! lucky for him hes a football player! the eagles were smart, someone was going to get him and whether he stays or not. they will probably come out ahead in this move.

That didn't say that it was ok. I never said that. I only said that not everyone feels the same way them. Same as a horse can break down and not everyone is going to be in tears but a horse lover might be. I just think that dog lovers have every right to be outraged at what he did and those of us that don't care about them don't have a right to say they shouldn't be. But it goes both ways.

I dont think it takes a dog lover to be disgusted over what Vick did. I'm not a dog lover and the guy makes me cringe. Hes obviously a sick person and I doubt is any better now. I dont really think hes that remorseful over what he did to many living creatures, I think hes more remorseful over the fact he got nabbed and had to throw away 2 years of doing what he loves to do, earning multi millions in the process.

As far as being able to play, well in my opinion he should. A guy like this is probably better off being able to work and be distracted. Its only football, nothing but entertainment. No different to me than making movies and how many actors/actresses would we have left to make movies if their jobs were taken away from doing hideous things? Its not like this guy is a jockey or a Doctor, where what he does so adamantly affects others. Hes only a football player.

I guarantee you one thing. Someone that can kill dogs that way can stomach doing the same to people. That's the biggest part of this that gets swept under the rug. Yes, he feels badly about getting caught, and embarrassing himself (and a lot of people.) He has learned (from others) that this is not acceptable. When he was doing it, the many sounds of suffering that he would of been hearing? O.K., most people would want to (naturally) avoid those. We didn't have to be taught to avoid this. We would be disgusted by it. You have to ask yourself who would like these sounds? Killers like these sounds. Believe me, if he liked that, he would like the sounds of suffering from humans, too. So, just remember this man is not right inside. I'm sure he wishes he was, but he isn't. There is nothing "natural" inside of him telling him that killing dogs or people is disgusting. He has had to learn that it's wrong. It didn't come this way. It's an add-on. The reason many of his fellow players are so happy to welcome him back is (quite honestly) they have the same problem (inside of them.)

lol. So now I want to kill people.

Scuds, Turkish horse in Saratoga's last!!!

Scuds, you have many great points here. Its fairly common knowledge that many serial killers start out killing animals first. Many of these guys who get caught turn out to have had animal abuse/slaughter in their past as children and young adulthood.

Now, not saying most kids/adults who grow up or start out abusing animals go on to humans...but doesnt it make just a little sense that people that are capable (and take pleasure in it) of killing animals for the fun/enjoyment of it are a bit more likely to be able to actual kill a human being?

The NFL is a good place for a guy like Vick. If he couldnt make a living slinging a football, he would be forced to find other ways to do it, and they could be worrisome for others. Keep in in there. Who knows, maybe one of these defensive linemen may turn out to be a dog lover and want to take out Vick. That would be...

Since I want to kill people, I think I know who I want to start with. Forget dogs. I'm going pro.

Its fairly common knowledge, and hardly unbelievable.

http://www.helpinganimals.com/ga_humanAbuse.asp

I don't disagree with you. But you also didn't say it's automatic. Saying that someone that could do that has a higher propensity to take it further is true. Saying that someone that could do it WOULD also do the other is just stupid.

You know what I meant (in bold). I dont think Vick needs to be placed on high alert for the potential of killing a human. I think what most people agree to (whether you like or dislike dogs), it takes a very sick individual to be able to committ that kind of abuse to an animal, and going further to actually take pleasure in it and view it as an accepted lifestyle is just plain insane.

Hey King, hows your jump shot?

Much ado about nothing.

I doubt he will be the kind of weapon for the Eagles many people think.

If the Fish don't score 4 TD's on an unprepared Pats defense - each of them with Chad Pennington lined up as a wide reciever - no one rationally expects Vick to be that much of a weapon coming out of jail.

He's basically an athlete - who's a lot more of a passing threat out of the wildcat. A formation that probably won't fool any competent defense now that it has been studied longer.

I'm surprised the Raiders didn't throw big money at both him and Usain Bolt .. they could run the wildcat with those two in the backfield .. and have the real housewives of New York - or just 5 movie theater turnstiles manning the offensive line.

I believe very much that people are products of their invironment. Doesn't mean that they can't change but when you grow up with something as part of the norm, how do you learn that it's not the norm? And even if it's something that I you wouldn't ever do (and I'd never get involved in doing it), I have seen it many times. Grew up with people that did it. It just doesn't illicit the outrage in me. I've had people tell me that they don't know how I can watch racing because the jockeys beat the horses with whips until their little bones break and they die and then they are shot and killed on the track. I'm not putting it on the same level as dog fighting/killing but when you think about it and be honest, it is a brutal sport and and a lot of people that love horses think racing is barbaric. For me though, it's normal.

.........he should be shown the "gander punishment " take him up in a small plane, about 150 feet over shark infested waters and kick his ass out......shark bait.

Winning Owner/Breeder: Selcuk Tamgac

Probably goes by the name "Chuck."

whats all this serial killer crap! because they gamble on dog fighting. they will become serial killers? thats a croc of sh!^! you know how many people BET on these things? why do you think he was doing it? just to torture dogs? people get all emotional over things and lose all perspective. i love dogs and think he was wrong for this, but now hes a murderer and serial killer. are there some wacko peta people posting here? or maybe they don't understand that in many places dog and cock fighting are acceppted gambling ventures. not that i'm condoning what he did, but calling people serial killers and murderers is quite a stretch! man, there must be thousands of serial killers out there because thats how many people would bet on this sort of thing. face it, he did it for the money and had many ,many acomplances. that part of the country must be teaming with serial killers.....lol

easy now...

no one called vick a serial killer. what was said was that many serial killers started out with torturing and killing animals before ultimately turning to humans. has nothing to do with gambling..

He murdered dogs that "underperformed." I am writing specifically about him(not other people betting at the dog fights.) There was nothing inside him that told him that it's disgusting to do that. He doesn't have that in him. Most people do. Not saying he has killed people before. I am saying that there is nothing natural inside him that keeps him from killing people. The only thing keeping him from killing dogs or people is the realization that others find it wrong, and he will be separated from his loved ones (if he does it.) Twenty years from now, intoxicated by something, and somebody says something he doesn't like? Yea, he could kill again. Under stress, in a weak moment etc., he could do this again, and it probably won't be "just a dog."

Not true. Read what scuds said. It clearly implies that even though Vick is not a serial killer, he basically is. He said anyone that can do one can do the other and anyone that doesn't have a problem with him also has the same problem.

i don't think what he wrote clearly implies that.

I have written(in this thread) about Vick, and people that can kill dogs the way he did. Also wrote about those in the NFL that so hospitably welcomed him back, because I think most of them think whatever he wanted to do with his dogs was his business (and many are like him.) I didn't write about King Glorious etc.

Serial killer implies someone is hunting for people to kill. In other words, strangers. I have no reason to believe he would do that, but I think he could easily kill someone that he didn't like. Someone that upset him, or did him wrong (like he thought some of his dogs did.) He didn't kill them randomly. They upset him. Yes, I believe if you can do what he did to those dogs, then you could easily kill people you're mad at.

Those No. 7 jerseys reportedly selling like hot cakes in Philly

Standing ovation entering the stadium. Standing ovation whenever he came on the field. Standing ovation after completing that 13-yd pass. The fans there love him. He came in on the second play of the game. He looked ok. They lined him up at quarterback and let him drop back and pass. They had him throw a couple of shovel passes. Had him take off and run on one play and even lined him up in the slot on another. On a couple of plays he was at quarterback, McNabb was in there lined up wide. There was a definite excitement and anticipation on every play and I think it's going to be really interesting to see how this plays out. I think it's going to be great.

They are selling well in Atlanta too.