Drabek is overrated. Phillies should be thrilled to get Halladay for him. The one that they don't want to trade is Michael Taylor. Dominic Brown would be tough to give up as well. If they can come up with any package of Drabek that doesn't include Taylor or Brown to get Halladay it would be an absolute steal. I think Toronto will demand one of the two though.

why is Drabek overrated? Because he had TJ surgery? he's been awesome and has some real nice pitches.

Taylor is a beast. Freaking awesome & super fast for a 6'6" man. Brown is really good & we have a real good quality catcher in the minors, along with some other pitchers.

Honestly I think the Phils would rather trade Happ than let Drabek go. Him and Taylor are "untouchable".

Lemme think 'bout it. Since I am a ******, I want to do my 1st pop-wheelie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-jMj...eature=related

LOL..What's he had 30 ab, or something? He's not a pinch hitter. He's doing better than Emanuel Burris(both in luscious Fresno.) Lewis isn't doing anything in left. Atleast Lewis n' Burris got the at bats to show what they couldn't do. Velez will get traded to a small market, and we'll see what happens when he gets a chance to play full time(like in September 2008.)

Haven't seen Pujols play on a daily basis. Long as he stays in that fkn sauna called St. Louis, I don't think I will ever see him play on a daily basis. I think the home field advantage should be handled the way it is in the NBA. PUJOLS CAN GET A LIL TIGHT(like losing that contest last night.) I only see MANNY do that in the 1st game back, or the 1st game for a new team. So, I don't think Pujols is a perfect player. He's not as good mentally as some others(like half that fkn Philly team, and a couple BOSOX pitchers.) Pedro Sandoval is gunna be somewhere in there with Pujols n' Manny(talent-wise.) Manny sees the ball better than anyone else. That much I know. He's a better team player than people think, but he's one of the worst I have ever seen at answering a question from the media(atrocious.) He's so passive aggressive, and refuses to go into any detail on much of anything(that's probably shyness, but will always be seen as selfishnous.) I see very little middle ground. I don't think it's ever coming. I'll watch the game until it gets too boring.

LOL..Obama getting almost as skinny as Eugenio V.

Drabek doesn't have great control and isn't overpowering. And yeah, already having had Tommy John surgery is a concern especially since he doesn't have a huge frame to fall back on. If his Dad wasn't a former pitcher I don't buy that he would be a highly touted prospect. Happ has no real value, if they have to throw him in to get Halladay then they should.

See? Pujols can get a lil tight.

I know it isnt much of a sample but Drabek was throwing easy 95mph heat and a nasty curveball on Sunday. He looked awfully good to me.

From baseball prospectus

Kyle Drabek, RHP, Phillies (Pre-season ranking: 92)
It's strange what kind of information can help you, as one of the reasons I ranked Drabek as the third-best prospect in the system entering the year despite his missing most of 2008 while recovering from Tommy John surgery was a conversation I had with his father Doug Drabek at the Winter Meetings in Las Vegas. It was an honest talk about Kyle's old and new mechanics, and what was working and what still needed to be worked on. By the time spring training arrived, Kyle had already tweaked his breaking ball back to plus status with the new delivery, as well as rediscovering his mid-90s velocity, which has led to a breakout year. Many scouts see stardom in his future, but expect less from him in the second half, at least on a workload level, since while his 109 strikeouts currently ranks third in the minors, his 1081/3 innings leads all minor leaguers and will need to be monitored.

There's rumblings that Philly brass think Happ is the second coming of Steve Carlton. I hate when my drink ends up in my nose.

Velez will never get a full time shot. Playing full time in the minors and in 136AB can only muster .757 OPS. Heck its an improvement. He is also a defensive liability.

You think that Burriss got on base a clip of .357 last year, and Velez for only .299 had something to do with the fact Burriss was given the shot over Velez? Burriss is currently rehabbing a broken foot. Frandsen is definitely out of SF's plans, Velez has been forgotten, and Burriss will get another shot.

This Velez talk is now reminding me of some guy named Pat Rapp, who had a stellar 2nd half of the season in 1995. His numbers for the 2nd half of the season were 2nd best. Only Greg Maddux was better. Result. Pat Rapp never even came 1/2 as close to those numbers. Remember that quite well calling Rapp a fluke, earning him the nickname Pat "Bum" Rapp. Velez is the same, who had his best 2 months ever in his career. Difference between the 2, Rapp was more noteworthy than Velez. They both did there numbers roughly the same age, when most players usually start taking off.

Happ is pitching lights out for the Phils, even eclisping Hamels. I'd be super pissed if they were to include him in a deal along with the farm chips to land Halladay. I know that teams in this sport have very small windows at the top, but I wouldnt mortgage the future on a deal that looks like it could be a lateral move in a few years. Taylor, Drabek and/or Happ seems to be too much to risk losing.

That said, i'm not sure what move they are going to make for the rotation. Pedro isnt the #2 that my friends all think he's going to be. I told them last night that they are out of their friggin minds for even thinking he should take Blanton's spot in the roto. He's our 4th starter, at best, and may even have trouble holding that spot down the stretch. Do they sit idle and wait for Bastardo to come back, or do they run Moyer out there every 5th day while looking to make an outside move? These are questions I'm sure Ruben Amaro is asking Pat Gillick on conference calls.

From an ERA perspective it appears he made the jump from High A to AA without much problem (2.48 to 2.70). However, with young pitchers I find K/IP and K/BB ratios to be far more effective indicators of how well they are moving up in level. In Drabek's case his K/IP dropped from a fantastic 1.20 to a very average 0.77 and his K/BB ratio dropped from a very solid 3.89 to a more worrisome 2.11 when making the jump to AA. He still has a long way to go and is a risk with the Tommy John. If Philly could get Halladay for him they should jump on it. I think Drabek is a top 50 prospect in the minors, probably somewhere in the 30-35 range but I think Baseball America was reaching a bit when they named him #24 last week and I think the Phillies are making a mistake if they give up Taylor (underrated by BA at #23) or Brown (BA #17) instead of Drabek to get Halladay.

I dont think anyone is saying that the Jays would trade Halladay unless they give up at least 2 of those guys. Most young pitchers that recover quickly from TJ surgery arent that big of a reinjury risk.

It might be true Chuck but I am curious about where you saw that? That procedure for reconstruction of the shoulder is still considered about as complicated a surgical procedure as there is in orthopedics. It would stand to reason that the more work done on an area of the body the more likely you are to have a subsequent complication. Another example of this is the subdsequent obstructions that occur following any intrabdominal or pelvic surgery 5, 10, 20 years later etc. Once a virgin abdomen is no longer without a scar the likelihood of a subsequent small bowel obstruction goes up as much as 100 fold. A young kid who has that much work on a dominant arm would be likely to have later fraying or other issues......but if you know of data otherwise I would love to see it.

The whole Tommy John labeling of the operation is fairly ironic as the guy wasn't a flame thrower but more of a cerebral pitcher who changed speeds and threw more junk than Jamie Moyer in a monsoon. This is one of the few times a procedure is named after the patient instead of the doc who invented it......very unusual but kinda cool as well.

Chuck,

I was at a Rochester Redwing game last week and saw Danny Valencia (Twin prospect) play and thought he looked like a big time prospect. He made a couple of great plays in the field and the ball jumped off his bat. Do you have any info on him? Was just curious, thanks.

TJ is an elbow surgery.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=3486

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0228075730.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0712090831.htm

Was Twins number 3 prospect coming into the season.

Danny Valencia, 3B
DOB: 9/19/84
Height/Weight: 6-2/200
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: 19th round, 2006, University of Miami
2008 Stats: .336/.402/.518, .274 EqA at High-A (60 G); .289/.334/.485, .247 EqA at Double-A (69 G)
Last Year's Ranking: Not Ranked

Year in Review: This once lightly regarded organizational player continued to put up impressive numbers in 2008 while turning scouts into true believers.
The Good: Valencia's hitting skills rank with anyone's in the system other than Revere's. He's "aggressively patient" at the plate, looking for pitches to drive, using all fields, and showcasing average power with the occasional ability to crush mistakes. He's a solid third baseman who makes all of the plays he gets to while featuring a plus arm.
The Bad: There are no real weaknesses to his game, but then he doesn't have massive tools or significant upside potential either. He's a tick below average as a baserunner, and his range at third is average at best.
Fun Fact: No player signed as the 576th overall pick has ever reached the big leagues. (The Cubs selected Micah Owings with the selection in 2004, but he didn't sign.)
Perfect World Projection: He's a solid mid-pack third baseman.
Glass Half Empty: He'll be a good utility player at both corners, though his right-handedness could make that a tougher road to travel.
Path to the Big Leagues: It's wide open; the Twins enter camp without a real answer at third base.
Timetable: Because of his age, Valencia could get jumped to Triple-A Rochester to begin the year as the Twins want to see if he could ready to fill their hole at the hot corner.

Was Manny's night last night, and yes, Gales, it was a full house(Manny Bobblehead.) His pinch hit grand slam was a riot.

best team in baseball , lakers over , no sc footbal yet , place s/b full everynight scuds

Only losers go to USC football games

Comeback To A Pre-injury Level Disappointing For Professional Baseball Players (Mar. 9, 2008) — Only forty-five percent of baseball players were able to return to the game at the same or higher level after shoulder or elbow surgery. Researchers found that overall, only 20 of the 44 players ...

Your right Chuck it's really not a surgery on the shoulder but not really a surgery on the elbow with the forearm tendon split and figure of 8 tendon wrap until the vascular supply takes hold. It's really kinda in no mans land below the shoulder and above the elbow but the point I thought the article or reviews were making were 1) It's done on an awful lot of kids and maybe too many and 2) One of your articles seems to imply that alot of kids never get back to where they were as pitchers strength and velocity wise.

With the recent decline if the Red Sox baseball is tough for me to stomach....they looked absolutely putrid against Texas.

This is true.....

Oh by the way Scuds favorite player has been re-called and actually started. Hit a meaningless single for a 1-3 night. Might actually get a couple of more starts while Rowand is wounded.

He's not my favorite, but I like players that do their best with men in scoring position. That's just a quirk I've got.

http://fresno.grizzlies.milb.com/mil...pbp&pid=464299

Avg
Bases Empty .280
Runners On .328
Scoring Position .349
Season Totals .297

OBP
Bases Empty .303
Runners On .400
Scoring Position.423
Season Totals .340

SLG
Bases Empty .415
Runners On .516
Scoring Position.535
Season Totals .451

If he gets 4 or 5 at bats a day, he'll perform. If he plays in spots, then he'll press.

Well, I'll tell you this....he certainly has heated up in the last 10 games at AAA (.333 ave, .372 obp, .509slg, Zero HRs) but if SF acquires an OF bat, he may be non-existent.

I've tried to ask questions for you about Velez in the end of year extravaganza last year, and why no one is taking a look, but no one is giving me the time or day.

Sounds like an excellent pinch hitter. If he ever learned to field he may have a future as a 25th man.

No, he's a stick-figure type. They often have a spastic colon etc. If these people aren't busy, they start stressing, and things start falling apart for them. He needs to play all the time.

You're from Indiana. I don't really think I want to talk to anybody from that state for like atleast 5 years. If I respond, it's only because of 18 years of training in "moderation."

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER You're from Indiana. I don't really think I want to talk to anybody from that state for like atleast 5 years.

even evan byh?

LOL!!!!!
I was in the McCain area. I just can't believe, you see mostly red in the state, but when it came to blue, it was 2 most populated areas. Indy and Gary.....and Gary shocks me in how populated they are....I thought there ranking was 5th, but apparently its 2nd in the state.

By the way Bayh is a modern conservative...don't make me go into that..

Yea, him too. What's that useless sperm giver called? Kevin Federline? Well this Evan Centerline is pretty useless too. Gales, each time I think about that state, I try to forgive n' forget, but I got this ice box where my heart used to be....Got this ice box where my heart used to be..Na-ooooo-hoo

Listen to the sound of the bat hitting the ball. That's not the way it sounds when a 25th man on a team is at bat.

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/m...ent_id=5794889

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/m...ent_id=5798619 (0:36-0:41= awesome)



"The San Francisco Giants finally got the power they've been seeking to shake up their offense. It just came from an unlikely source. Eugenio Velez, who was recalled from the minors a day earlier, homered for the first time in nearly a year and added a tiebreaking RBI double in the sixth inning and the Giants stayed hot at home with a 3-2 victory over the Pittsburgh Pirates on Tuesday night.

"He's got all the tools," San Francisco manager Bruce Bochy said. "He's been swinging the bat well in [the minors] and he brought it up here. Sometimes it takes time, playing time, for all that to surface."

Oh for pitchers to blow it by him with that long swing.

"The Giants have searched far and wide for offense at second base and it won't likely stop at Velez. After all, Velez has a meager .255/.296/.372 careeer batting line. Look for the Giants to try to upgrade the position before Friday's deadline."

2 career jacks in 326 AB's? Utility players who have done worse? :D

Before the 2006 season, Victorino had 2 MAJOR LEAGUE doubles, 2 MAJOR LEAGUE home runs, and 12 MAJOR LEAGUE RBI. So, it's not always about digesting what they've done already. People can take a while to adjust to the better pitchers. Guys can improve after getting a full 3 or 4 hundred at bats/yr. for a couple seasons. Your limited ability to predict future ability is about as good as the Dodgers was when they let Victorino/Werth get away. If this guy had been given that(300-400 at bats/yr. for a couple years,) then I am sure you would see a nice player. This is a player that does well when getting at least 3 at bats/day. As you say, his swing is one that is not appropriate to bring out for spot hitting. It is a hard swing(a lash,) and that will only be kept in rhythm with constant at bats. I do not believe you can look at a guy's age and say they should of done this or that by now. I only think you can do that if they've had what I said(300-400 major league at bats/yr. for at least a season and a half.) Then, if they are not improving, you can make these big conclusions about a person.

All I know is when given at least 3 at bats/game in September (last year) he hit .341 in 85 at bats. When he has had at least 3 at bats/game this year, he has hit .363 (8 for 22 with 2 walks, and 2 strike outs.) When he has had 2 or less at bats/game this year, he is hitting .100 (2 for 20 with 6 strike outs n' no walks.) So, maybe they should stop acting like the Giants do(stupid,) and give the guy the starts he needs to show what he can do. He looks a hell of a lot stronger than he did in the spring. He looks 15 pounds stronger(I say that, because his legs look much stronger now.) Just about anybody that goes to Fresno gains weight. There is not all that much to do there (besides eat.)

He does his best with runners in scoring position. Say what you want about him, but I think you'll see the individual is this way. Not just in Fresno. At the major league level (pick a year 2007,2008, or 2009,) and I think you'll see this. He is consistently better when more chips are on the table. He hits the least with no men on. He hits better with men on base. He hits best with men in scoring position(it's pretty much the reverse image of TEX'S post-season situational stats.) If Tex had hit better with risp (in last year's post,) then the Halos would have advanced.

He went 2 for 4 today. In a tie game(0-0 in the bottom of the 10th,) he started out the inning with a hit. Got sacrificed to 2nd base. With 2 outs, Winn knocked him in (to win it.) I've always said he's a clutch individual. Meanwhile, Lewis struck out in the middle of the rally. Good luck getting Velez out of the line-up now. He started out the day poorly(hit into a d.p. in his 2nd at bat.) Showed his stuff by coming back with 2 hits. Needs to get at least 3 chances to hit in a game. You think Bochey has got this through his fat head yet? THey really think this guy doesn't deserve to start? When he has 3 or more at bats/game this year, he is hitting .385 (10/26.)

"Fck Fredno"-E. VELEZ

I have seen the future......and its name is Matt Latos

He's weird that way (his 1 hit given up is a home run.) Does he have 1 pitch he gives up home runs on, or what's the issue?

Kershaw trying to come up huge tonite in St. Louis. Shut out through 7 2/3.

Wow. When he's on. He's pretty filthy. If he gets incredibly bold, we could use him twice in the post(instead of that woman.)