For the record, this is completely irrelevent to this conversation.

whos record?

its funny, I love people who just throw statistics out there and have no source at all to back them up other than "its what I heard". 99.9%, I laughed at least.

somebody special has fischer on ignore...

I'm pretty sure Honu has ridden in races. "It's what I heard." And obviously the 99% can't really be viewed as a "statistic" - it's a figure of speech.

Actually Byk should have a big IGNORE button next to your name on here. Would save most on here a lot of time. Not the Fatman's(while I think he is a loudmouth, he does seem somewhat knowledgeable and 1 out of 20 times he says something worth reading) .....not any of the other members of my fanclub. Just you. Who really is the dumbest person on here hands down. If Beyer had figures for stupid/brainless comments you would post 128's all the time.

This one's worth saving

No doubt. That was funny.

I honestly know very little about you. I don't think we've ever discussed a race together or talked to each other about anything interesting. If you have a love of the game , **** ANYBODY with a love of the game would find it stimulating to discuss handicapping and wagering with me.
The FatMan, while being a bit strange in the only interaction I had with him, and pompous egotist, is also clearly head and shoulders above anyone else whom I've seen share opinions on the internet.
You could be a genius or an idiot, I really don't remember anything you have ever posted about horseplaying. This isn't a place where great horseplayers sit down and rack each others brains with interesting opinions. It's a hodge podge of a fan site with some horseplayers and some entertainment/killing time. It's a nice site for what it is and has some cool members. To be honest if my boarding moves in ANY direction here, it will probably involve replying more about At The Races, and involve with less threads in general.

And the jokes keep coming!

Thanks....some of my nonsense is actually funny.

WTF ?


You just posted a 72 on the idiot scale. Way down from your normal 128.


Something's wrong here........



Will the stewards please report to this thread at once.

My source is my own ears , my other source is the 100 diffirent jocks that I rode races with. I love people who type before they actually know what they are talking about , I laughed too.

About 3 pages ago, someone asked that question.

If you have ridden, great, qualify your post by stating its your own personal experience....my point, thought it missed you, was statistic are thrown around here and people actually take them at face value.

What happened in the 1 race out of a 1000 that you did hear the call?

I was about 12 in front at the 1/16th pole and there wasnt enough people in the grandstand to start a fight so I could hear the announcer loud and clear.

QUOTE=Bobby Fischer]having multiple roles does not constitute a "conflict of roles" in a vacuum.

It has to be "possible" for improper acts to occur.

i'm not picking a sidde one way or the other (aside from bashing SG's ridiculous post in that other thread), but in order to make allegations like this, a legal definition of the ACTS themselves has to be formulated.

PROMOTING HIS JOCKEY WHILE ANNOUNCING

WARNING/ADVISING HIS JOCKEY DURING THE RACE

those are just 2 that i could come up with feel free to add more. Then you have to prove that they are at least possible and significant acts.

IF they aren't possible and significant then there is no case whatsoever.[/quote]






There jezus H crist , I didnt bring it up , someone else did .

gossard, I am with you on calling the posting stewards...can we get a 7 day suspension or something for nonsense like this...

It's very possible for Stauffer to cross the line as an announcer. I am not saying he has blatantly done it or that he ever will, however, the potential is there for him to cross the line. As fans and patrons of this sport, we are expecting a neutral call of the races each day. Vic, having an interest in how Joel Rosario performs, certainly can be compromised in his role as track announcer. He needs to accurately call the race, and there definately is the potential in say a race like the 750K Hollywood Gold Cup, and let's say that Rosario is riding a horse who is head and head for the lead in the stretch with another horse, and there is bumping going on, or should Rosario's horse be potentially interfered with, and as I said, it's not about whether Vic has done or if he would do it because as a professional, I would hope that would not even be an issue, but don't tell me that there isn't the potential to embellish a call to the way of his jock in a big race, because let's say Rosario wins the Hollywood Gold Cup, winning horse gets 420K, Rosario gets 10% which is 42K, and if the jock agent gets let's say 10%, that's 4.2K for Vic. If Rosario comes in 2nd he gets 140K, Rosario gets 14K, and Vic gets 1.4K...you can't tell me that's not a big issue. No one is making allegations, just that there's clearly the potential for acts to occur because of the conflict of interest because of the positions that Vic holds.

now it all makes sense, had no clue vic and joel were connected like that.

for the record i voted "yes"

vic is a great announcer, joel is a great jock. But i've never seen/heard a jock get so much pub. each and every ride he has from an announcer. it makes perfect sense that he's his agent now.

-bt-

" So much pub each and every ride" !
Are you high? I've had Joel 7 months and until this past Saturday I've NEVER ONCE said one word about him either during or after a race call. That was the request of my bosses at Hollywood Park and I adhered to it.

Of all the conflicts of interests in the sport of horseracing or the world in general I would have to believe the track announcer/jockey agent conflict would be among the least relevant or important. Does anyone really believe that a jockey will get more or better mounts because of a race call?

Let me get this straight, since there are other conflicts of interest in the game, this one therefore isn't one? And, as to your final question, why is that relevent?

Jeez Chuck......you seem like a sharp guy. Figured you would have gotten it. It's not about Vic magically making his guy's horse win by calling the horse as others on here seem to believe. Nor is it about him getting his guy better mounts. It's about race fans having to listen to a race caller/jock agent who at times is biased calling his guy's horse. Not sure why all of the confusion.

So now its the race fans who are being injured? You mean you place your bets based on Vic's calls? Isn't that illegal? Or are you just upset when it turns out Joel's horse isn't doing as well as Vic made it sound? Now I'm really confused. I'm also completely done with these inane threads. :zz:

I've been reading this for a few days and for the most part tried to stay out of it, but this is really getting petty. The last I looked and even though it's not a scientific poll most people inluding myself don't really see this as a conflict of interest. Now, I very seldom wager on Hollywood and I wouldn't know Vic if I walked right into him, but before this past weekend I had no idea the guy was an agent for Rosario. Now that I know, I could care less.
I can understand why some might think it's a problem and you've made your points, but for you to accuse others of "not getting it" or being "shortsighted" or even "Vic Stauffer groupies" is childish. Why can't you act more like an adult and just agree to disagree and move on.

That's an odd announcement to make along with the rest of your post. I'll take the over.

I do find people's interpretations here extremely interesting. Apparently points of fact are distorted by peoples' misinterpretations.

Vic being a terrific racecaller, that's an opinion....my opinion, is not relevent, for instance, to the conversation. People's personal feelings about him aren't relevent either.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

I don't notice any bias from him in the race calls I've heard of his regarding Rosario.

And he's a sometimes over the top announcer who has shown a clear rooting bias in a few of his major race calls before... not that other announcers don't.

His call of Hal Hope's Florida Derby win, Lava Man's 3rd Gold Cup win, and one of Azeri's HP wins as extreme examples ... though the first two were great races won by very likeable horses ... in the latter one, he was dropping the best traits of greats like Ruffian, Personal Ensign, and Lady's Secret while Azeri was beating Tropical Blossom in fairly workmanlike fashion.

I hate when people throw statistics around as well......so I am going to point to one stat that is unmistakably clear....the poll results at the top of this page.

Excuse me for butting in but for the record he did just that back on page 6 of the other thread...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ree#post544268

After that he was simply addressing comments directed toward him.

(Sorry for interrupting. Carry on). :D

When people say that I am implying that Vic's calls actually effect the race's outcome, well..............they aren't getting it. Pretty cut and dry there.


Bite Me.

There you go again.

Some people just don't get it. I gotta open a magic bean stand on DT. I could make millions selling em on here.

I don't think anyone is actually saying that. It is more a situation of as long as his calls aren't impacting the race we couldn't care less. I'm used to biased announcers in every sport out there. Even in racing the TVG and HRTV announcers are totally biased towards the west coast. It doesn't matter to me. Obviously to some people it does matter.

What was so immature about that last post ?

See his last couple of post Cat?

Hey amigo.

How are your eyes doing. I am very concerned.

Nothing other than throwing in the 'ole "Bite Me"

Sniper...there are a few rocket scientists on here who have taken what I said and turned it into me implying he can effect the outcome of the race. If that were the case I would be sending him envelopes filled with cash each week and instructions on which horses to call to the winner's circle.

Thats fine if it doesn't bug you and some others. To me it's ridiculous and annoying.