As much as a track announcer wants a certain horse to win or lose (whether he is betting the race or representing a jockey in the race), I dont think he can change the outcome of a race. So what does it matter if he is or isnt bias? And theres always that great invention known as the mute button. Seriously, at least Vic gets the names of the horses right. While Tom Durkin is a fantastic voice in this game, he seems to constantly miss call the names of the horses and hardly ever gets criticized for it, nor does he for not picking up the moves of eventual winners as quickly as a guy like Vic or Trevor Denman consistently do. I like all 3 very much (Vic, Trevor & Tom). No matter how hard the track announcer is pulling for a horse (they all do), he cant help them win a race!

I believe this is my first thread (maybe 2nd). Email your address, I will send you an abacus so you can keep count.


I didn't bet the race. I only bet dirt tracks and grass. Thanks for your concern though.

It doesn't seem like whining to me. It seems like an extremely fair point. One of the jobs that Vic Stauffer holds clearly can and has an impact on the way he performs another, and it just happens that the job that is impacted is the one in which he performs it on a national level, so as fans, bettors, and anything else, the one thing that he needs to do is have the utmost professionalism in his race calls, which admittedtly he goes over the top a bit with Rosario, because he has a particular interest in what Rosario does. You have yet to provide any explanation or reasoning as to why stonegossard's point is wrong or over the top.

BITE ME
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What the hell are you talking about? Gossard brought up a legitimate issue, in a calm and relaxed manner, that the very least begged a professional and curteous response, not a egotistical and pompous response from a leading professional in the industry.

Please......Stauffer was basically telling me to F#ck off. IF he was on TVG and I called in and made the same comment to me he would be fired on the spot by Hollywood. Part of being in the spotlight is acting professional and handling fan's criticism. If my comment was so out of line he would have laughed it off and in a professional way responded. Instead he acted like a a little kid. I obviously hit a nerve and he somewhat agrees with me.

Exactly, it was laugh out loud funny and while it may not have been worthy of addressing a court room or formal hearing it was a short, to the point way of saying "I disagree" which loses the levity it produced.

The guy has been perpetually hearing this nonsense about the ethical compromise of representing Rosario from the first day it was announced. He went to his bosses and got their blessing yet he still has to hear these clairvoyant crumudgeons criticize the intentions of every race call that Rosario is involved in over and over. At some point a more colorful reaction to this same lame point is warranted. When the guy posts here I hope he is looked at as off the clock if not there is another discussion to be had.

Don't you people have anything better to talk about?This whole thread is ridiculous.

Yeah Fatman, you bring a lot to the table. All you do is complain complain complain. God forbid someone takes the otherside of your opinion. While I do speak my mind and do stir up some sh#t, at least I am not on here 24 hours a day complaining about NYRA...complaining about tracks not having Trakus...complaining about jocks....complaining about other's speed figures...complaining about tracks taking races off of the turf after monsoons. You must be an overall loser at the track, because if you were on the winning side you wouldn't bi#ch about EVERYTHING.

It's funny having a guy who whines constantly on here and cries about everything saying I bring nothing to the table. You want to compare threads, bring it on. Outside of being the board complainer you really don't contribute anything of substance. Sure you have long winded threads about pace...lost ground....etc.....but 90% of your posts are you crying and whining like a little brat. You are not the expert you think you are. You just like to try and impress others with a lot of words.

We can go back and forth all day. But why clog up Steve's board. If you ever come out of hiding and make it down to Gulfstream/Calder do let me know. We can iron out our differences in person.

His bosses are lame ducks as is Vic. They all could give two Shiits as the place is DONE.. All Victoria(since we can all act like children) had to do was respond in some sort of professional manner. Something like Pete I call them the way I see them or Pete I will keep it in mind as sometimes the the heart gets in the way of the head would have sufficed. Instead we got Pete I am losing my job in a few months nobody is going to hire me to call races which I love and because of that I have lost my friggin mind and tell folks who are making reasonable points to F off..

Remember I think Vic is pretty dam good but apparently keeping his head in the game has escaped him..

Thanks Freddy. There are some sharp guys on here. The Fatman isn't one of them. I will take my 24 years of going to the track and put it against him and his long winded opinions any day. While I do stir up some sh#t on here I never come on and say I am a better capper than so and so. I don't know really care how others do at the track...doesn't effect my bankroll.

The Fatman says he has me on ignore, but it's obvious he pays attention to any post I make.

I thought my post was pretty mellow and straight to the point. I could see if I was posting to some knucklehead on here and they said "bite me". But Stauffer is in the public eye calling a major meet. He should be acting like a professional. I can only assume by his response that my post was on the mark.

An Albert Belle forearm shimmy to Fernando Vina indeed....I am a Vic fan but I agree Steve.

That's because Durkin has gotten old, before that he was awesome always.

no, he did not
 

i just went back and deleted some of my posts here. my childish emotional responses aren't warrented either, and are unneeded saved up annoyance with former stonegossard trolling. heres an attempt to be mature -

It is NOT calm or relaxed when you say:

"What was by far the most biased call of a race occurred..."
"Hollywood Park really needs to sit down with Vic S "
"either you are a jockey agent or our announcer....not both"
"It's really an embarassment to Hollywood Park"
"Hopefully whatever track picks up the dates has an announcer who isn't also a jock's agent"

These are NOT BEGGING A COURTEOUS PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE. these are attacks directly on a man's livelyhood. Get ****ing real. there is no debate whatsoever. read the above quotes again and forget how cool a guy Pete is or how long you've been buds. SG Came right out and challenged a man's livelyhood.

Does he have the right to?? YES 100% Steve Byk has been awesome in that he tends to allow posts like that. But don't fool yourself gossard made serious allegations and said directly that Stauffer should lose his job.

Whether Stauffer should write out a canned response is pretty much his choice. Anywhere from ignoring the post, to a canned response, to a FUKC YOU would have been appropriate.

Whoa sunshine!!!

Is it possible that perhaps he doesn't agree and like I said is just sick of hearing this every time Rosario is part of the race. I would be a little less content with your assessment of peoples thoughts and motivations that youhave no basis for as your not in their head's.

The guy is probably just getting up and has no idea what has gone on here over night....I have no idea what you do for a living but if somebody told you that what you were doing was unethical and that you should check it out with your bosses (CRB not track officials in this case) and you did so but people just can't stay out of your personal business....at some point you tell them to take a hike!! Vic doesn't affect the outcomes of races, has done his due diligence and unless I am missing something, has done nothing wrong so enough with your insistence that HE thinks your right.

The tone here oscillates between scholarly and bar room brawl depending on the winds of the day. You take what you need and leave the rest IMO. TFM actually has his moments of contributing usefull info, a little gruff but bothsome only if you let him get to you. I too am a member of IggyU.

Plain and simple, YOU attacked his work and now you expect him to be polite and say thank you very much. This is a message board and our opinions really dont count on a higher level. Well except BTW , Morty and DeHoss.

Get over yourself for crying out loud. Gossard made the point that Stauffer clearly made a biased race call last night, illustrating the point that Stauffer let his other "profession" and "professional relationship" with Joel Rosario get in the way of his main profession as Hollywood Park's race caller. He's making the point that just maybe Stauffer should pick one or the other, race caller or jock's agent. You don't see any other race callers acting as jock's agents. Or you don't see jock agents in racing offices or anything along those lines. And exactly where did gossard say "Vic Stauffer should lose his job?" Yes, he did comment that whichever track picks up Hollywood's days should have a race caller only be a race caller but that's not calling for Stauffer's job.

Are you really that thick?

He "attacked" his work because there is a clear potential bias towards a person involved in the industry that Stauffer works with and has the potential to gain from when the person (Rosario) wins or suceeds. Instead of a snide remark such as "Bite Me", a response such as yeah, there are some times where I may go over the edge regarding horses that Joel rides, but that's the nature of representing someone in both positions I work in. It's something that will happen occasionally, but I work my hardest to not let it happen, but it's something that will happen, and it's something that Hollywood Park has accepted and the fans will have to understand. That goes a whole lot further in my opinion, especially from an industry professional who is one of this industry's most recognizable faces.

I honestly dont see that talking to somone in a chat room has anything to do with his job. He replied to somone that obviously wants to take a jab at him for some unknown reason. If someone is offended by someone saying "bite me" on a message board, maybe they should just not be on the internet. jmvhfo of course! :D I dont know Vic, but I have seen him respond to every question asked of him, both good and bad with a level head and answering from his heart. I think it says alot that he post under his own name knowing that there are going to be those that take a jab at him for really no other reason that arm chair race calling or just to take a jab at a public figure. I am sure there are tons of other trainers, owners, jocks, HRTV and TVG personalities that come here, but dang sure make sure they dont let anyone know who they are for fear of getting bombarded with cheap shots. So I say "Geauxxxxx Vic" U tha Man! :D

Robert,

If someone isn't doing their job correctly then yes, they should be fired. If Stauffer continues to give biased calls because of the conflict of interest, then yes....he should choose one job or have the racetrack make that decision for him.

His F#ck off response to me is not acceptable. I think it's great that a track announcer wants to come on a public board and chat. That being said if he can't handle criticism then stay the heck outta here.

Good luck at the track today.

Your Friend,

Pete

Wow...and you talk about hitting a nerve. Classic stuff.

At least he didn't invite others to suck his ****.

Do you ever actually have anything of value to add to any conversation here?

Hypothetically, if he wasn't Rosario's agent. How much different do you think his call of the race would have been? The horse made a major move coming from last 10 lengths back within an 1/8 of a mile. What do you think, he would have mentioned it once and then went back to the front of the pack where 3 out of the 4 horses looked like they were done anyway. There would have probably been people around here bashing him for missing such a big move. But the point is that Rosario's horse was the only one who looked like a contender coming into the top of the stretch. That's not his fault and I want to believe that Vic would have called it the same way whether it was Rosario or Garcia aboard.
As far as the comment. I laughed it off as a guy who's in the buisness that takes his share (some warrented and mostly non warrented) abuse around here. He does take alot. In my opinion (which I know doen't mean anything to anyone else) this one goes into the non warrented category. Obviously I think the call was fine.

I hear what you are saying....but what it comes down to is he is in the public eye. People in the public eye need to be able to handle criticism without wigging out.

I criticized his work. I didn't attack him. I attacked the fatman. Big difference.

And yes.....as a public figure he shouldn't act like a 6 year old. If he disagrees with me then say it in a professional manner. If he can't handle it then don't make yourself available on a public message board.

Can see this thread being :L: very soon

Here's a different perspective, if Tom Durkin 'the king of hyperbole' in my opinion represented a jockey, he would get far more critiques for his racecalling, but he doesn't, so all is well. Saying that I think there is a conflict of interest that a racecaller is so closely associated with a jockey he is calling the race for, if anything because it is constantly brought up here for discussion whether it is true or not.

What's funny to me is a few of you are questioning his professionalism. There is none.

A professional would've picked one job and dropped the other due to a conflict of interest. And don't delude yourself into thinking it isn't a conflict of interest. If it wasn't you would be seeing head coaches calling their teams game for a network and coaching at the same time.

No, he didn't fail Reading Comprehension 101 in grade school like you and some others.

Regarding your original post here, I doubt you'd have the balls to walk up to Vic's face in person and say that nonsense to him.

Vic gave you exactly the internet reply you deserved :tro:

Are you alluding to the fact that Vic would physically attack him? Hell I would be a little more blunt in person in hopes of that.

I see you got an A+ in Trolling 101. Congrats.

I believe this is the first time I have brought this up. If others have been also saying the same thing time and time again, then call me crazy....but maybe ...just maybe it's true...or has some validation ?

You obviously don't know me. If Vic is down at CRC/GP and wants to discuss my comment I would be more than welcome to oblige. Or next time I am at Hollywood and he has a problem with my comment would have no problem him addressing it with me.

So your position is that every whack job on the internet is free to defame or attack those "in the public eye" any way they want, without what they say being called out as nothing more than a flaming bag of dog shiat.

That about right?

I don't have to know you. I just am reading what you post on an internet discussion board, forming an opinion about what you say, and expressing it.

So what you're saying is that a guy that has a huge conflict of interest and has a developing pattern of having enemies in the sport (firing by e-mail) is better than other people?