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Danzig 06-09-2009 07:33 AM

i'd imagine that unbridled song gets labelled as producing unsoundness because he was an early retiree, and many of his best are as well-but that may be a result of demand for his sons at stud, moreso than any facts about unsoundness. as soon as they show any real promise (rockport harbor) the talk starts. as soon as there is a setback, more often then not, the decision is made to retire the horse rather than risk more injury, or more losses.
however, he had a couple horses on the the derby trail this year-old fashioned didn't make it into the gate, and now dunkirk is said to be injured. dunkirk also has very few lifetime starts-which i feel makes it laughable to say that the rigors of racing are to blame for his injury-he hasn't exactly done a lot of racing.


but i do find it funny in an ironic sort of way that people talk about breeding unsoundness...but when a good horse who has also exhibited fragility is retired, there are many who say well, just breed the right mare to him, it'll be ok. ghostzapper is a good case in point-when he went to stud, and i questioned why anyone would want to send a mare to a horse that could only manage three/four starts a year, my sanity was questioned. he was a fast horse, so unsoundness be damned was the gist of it.

cowgirlintexas 06-09-2009 07:33 AM

Look at Omnitraders record.... Wow! 119 starts! :eek:

Did notice quite a few never even made it to the track. Also Zoftig had two foals and neither made it to the races.. too bad.

cowgirlintexas 06-09-2009 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Tuesday 6/9 Update (8:25am):

Reports confirm that Dunkirk has a non-displaced condylar fracture in his left hind. Surgery today...

Well, they sure managed to keep it "hush hush" so far. Still not a word in the news, at least none I could see.

Hope it all goes well and that Saturday wasn't the last time we will see him run.

Coach Pants 06-09-2009 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Cant afford your medication this month?

Instead of taking pot shots and going completely off-topic in some twisted hurt p.ussy scenario where you try to defend the honor of one of the darted douchebags who used to peruse this site and troll on a daily basis, why don't you contribute to a thread by remaining on topic? Or is that too difficult for you to accomplish, Prince Valiant?

On topic: Dunkirk is done and Riot redboarded an injury.

Sightseek 06-09-2009 08:41 AM

Gross, what a headline.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...dylar-fracture

CSC 06-09-2009 08:48 AM

This from a raceplayer and fan's point of view, I thought the maintenance crew did a remarkable job getting the track ready to provide a memorable day of racing, it was night and day when you compare it with Derby day. It would be very unfair suggest the track condition may have been a cause for any injuries that may occurred. Sorry I just had to get that off of my chest.

Kasept 06-09-2009 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
Well, they sure managed to keep it "hush hush" so far. Still not a word in the news, at least none I could see.

Hope it all goes well and that Saturday wasn't the last time we will see him run.

Sorry if this comes off as egocentric, but "At the Races" is a three hour daily radio news magazine about Thoroughbred Racing that airs on North American-wide satellite radio with a listnership of more than 20,000 any given week. The 'word in the news' came on "At the Races", and while my record with stories of this nature isn't 100% perfect, it's pretty darn close. When I have it first, I almost always have it right.

Antitrust32 06-09-2009 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Sorry if this comes off as egocentric, but "At the Races" is a three hour daily radio news magazine about Thoroughbred Racing that airs on North American-wide satellite radio with a listnership of more than 20,000 any given week. The 'word in the news' came on "At the Races", and while my record with stories of this nature isn't 100% perfect, it's pretty darn close. When I have it first, I almost always have it right.


There's an At the Races magazine now?? ;) ;)

Hope it feature's a girl of the month spread... like Gene's (the only good part of his magazine/newspaper).

pgiaco 06-09-2009 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Sorry if this comes off as egocentric, but "At the Races" is a three hour daily radio news magazine about Thoroughbred Racing that airs on North American-wide satellite radio with a listnership of more than 20,000 any given week. The 'word in the news' came on "At the Races", and while my record with stories of this nature isn't 100% perfect, it's pretty darn close. When I have it first, I almost always have it right.

Shameless self promoter!:D

SniperSB23 06-09-2009 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
i'd imagine that unbridled song gets labelled as producing unsoundness because he was an early retiree, and many of his best are as well-but that may be a result of demand for his sons at stud, moreso than any facts about unsoundness. as soon as they show any real promise (rockport harbor) the talk starts. as soon as there is a setback, more often then not, the decision is made to retire the horse rather than risk more injury, or more losses.
however, he had a couple horses on the the derby trail this year-old fashioned didn't make it into the gate, and now dunkirk is said to be injured. dunkirk also has very few lifetime starts-which i feel makes it laughable to say that the rigors of racing are to blame for his injury-he hasn't exactly done a lot of racing.


but i do find it funny in an ironic sort of way that people talk about breeding unsoundness...but when a good horse who has also exhibited fragility is retired, there are many who say well, just breed the right mare to him, it'll be ok. ghostzapper is a good case in point-when he went to stud, and i questioned why anyone would want to send a mare to a horse that could only manage three/four starts a year, my sanity was questioned. he was a fast horse, so unsoundness be damned was the gist of it.

I think what happens is a lot of Unbridled's Song's need time to grow into their frame but they are so fast so quick that few can resist the temptation to run them early. So they rack up early wins but were on the track before they were fully ready and as a result get injured. The ones that don't get to the track until later are actually relatively sound. If the breeding fascination was on horses that run well at 4 and 5 instead of 2 and 3 then I think Unbridled's Song would have a very different reputation as there wouldn't be the incentive to rush the talented ones to the track.

Antitrust32 06-09-2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I think what happens is a lot of Unbridled's Song's need time to grow into their frame but they are so fast so quick that few can resist the temptation to run them early. So they rack up early wins but were on the track before they were fully ready and as a result get injured. The ones that don't get to the track until later are actually relatively sound. If the breeding fascination was on horses that run well at 4 and 5 instead of 2 and 3 then I think Unbridled's Song would have a very different reputation as there wouldn't be the incentive to rush the talented ones to the track.


one thing is for certain, he passes on his talent as well as any other sire out there today!!

Zig brings up a good point about Ghostzapper too... and Big Brown could be the same way.

Bobby Fischer 06-09-2009 09:45 AM

said trainer Todd Pletcher in a release: “We anticipate a full recovery and a return to racing later this fall.”

is this a realistic timeline?

SniperSB23 06-09-2009 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
said trainer Todd Pletcher in a release: “We anticipate a full recovery and a return to racing later this fall.”

is this a realistic timeline?

Pletcher is like one of those dolls with a string in his back that you can just pull the string and get a canned phrase.

sumitas 06-09-2009 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
You realize they run races outdoors, right?. There was nearly 2 inches of rain that fell in the prior 30 hours to Friday midnight. The crew had already been working for 12 hours when the races started at 11:30 Saturday. They did an unbelievable job getting that track into good and then fast shape. Please try to not let your ridiculous surface agenda spew spill out here. There may be people who actually think there's some credibility to it.

Linny and I agree on the surface conditions . If they can't prepare a softer surface within the environment they should find a surface they can handle . Sounds like you have the surface agenda .

Danzig 06-09-2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
one thing is for certain, he passes on his talent as well as any other sire out there today!!

Zig brings up a good point about Ghostzapper too... and Big Brown could be the same way.

yes, he does. and there's no way they went to the price they ended up paying for dunkirks potential on-track abilities. they get one good race out of him as a winner, and he'll command a good stud fee and get some nice mares. hell, he might get that now with his two gr 1 placings and his pedigree.

Danzig 06-09-2009 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
Linny and I agree on the surface conditions . If they can't prepare a softer surface within the environment they should find a surface they can handle . Sounds like you have the surface agenda .


nice edit, i saw your original post without the last line...after reading many of your posts, it's apparent who has the agenda. makes me wonder why you're in the game that you seem to despise so much.

Kasept 06-09-2009 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
Linny and I agree on the surface conditions . If they can't prepare a softer surface within the environment they should find a surface they can handle . Sounds like you have the surface agenda .

I laughed..

Antitrust32 06-09-2009 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
I laughed..


Is that our Eagles wide receiver in your avatar?

Kasept 06-09-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Is that our Eagles wide receiver in your avatar?

It 'tis..

Antitrust32 06-09-2009 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
It 'tis..


He's so freaking handsome!!! I'm so sad I wont get to toga this year :(

geeker2 06-09-2009 12:01 PM

With Dunkirk down - it can only enhance POTN's chances for HOTY :rolleyes:

SniperSB23 06-09-2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
He's so freaking handsome!!! I'm so sad I wont get to toga this year :(

Why not? It's not like you need a hotel and flights aren't that bad.

Antitrust32 06-09-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Why not? It's not like you need a hotel and flights aren't that bad.



Wanted to save my PTO time for a Arizona/Vegas trip in the fall...

But if Rachel runs (or is pointed to in time for me to get an affordable flight) against colts in Toga I'm going to try to get up for a 4 day weekend or so.

I'm already planning on feeling depressed throughout August knowing what I'm missing!

SniperSB23 06-09-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Wanted to save my PTO time for a Arizona/Vegas trip in the fall...

But if Rachel runs (or is pointed to in time for me to get an affordable flight) against colts in Toga I'm going to try to get up for a 4 day weekend or so.

I'm already planning on feeling depressed throughout August knowing what I'm missing!

Do Labor Day weekend then.

packerbacker7964 06-09-2009 07:15 PM

Donekirk is Injuried
 
What a surprise another Unbridled's Song injuried and off for a while.

GBBob 06-09-2009 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964
What a surprise another Unbridled's Song injuried and off for a while.

Is he NewKirk's bro?

MaTH716 06-09-2009 07:23 PM

Why do I think that I've seen this movie already?

Riot 06-09-2009 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
said trainer Todd Pletcher in a release: “We anticipate a full recovery and a return to racing later this fall.”

is this a realistic timeline?

Yes.

GPK 06-09-2009 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716
Why do I think that I've seen this movie already?

You probably saw the movie after that New Kids on the Block concert you went to back in '86:rolleyes:

sumitas 06-09-2009 07:43 PM

Is this a replay of the thread that morphed into the whine fest about no racino at Aqueduct and the phony NYC Indians trying for a racino at Belmont ? I'm an upstate resident and breeder with a nice track in upstate wine country (not whine country as in NYC) with a racino so I could care less .

Edit: Actually, Monday's removal of NYCs state senator Malcolm Smith from his state Senate leadership post is good news for that Aqueduct racino in that it most likely removes Smith and his "Casino Reverand" from mucking up the new bids . In fact, the NYRA as well as the proposed racino must answer to upstate NY because it affects all of NY in terms of revenue, etc.

MaTH716 06-09-2009 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
You probably saw the movie after that New Kids on the Block concert you went to back in '86:rolleyes:

It was '98 and it was N-SYNC.

Get it right, DOUCHE! :D


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