I fear plane crashes and clowns, but i don't start a different thread every day with the same theme. And, yes, this is a truly fine thread, just not much of a change from the others you start. Yes, I'm all about change!

Maybe you should. A few threads about clowns would be much more entertaining than you trying to censor another poster because he's making threads in a subforum named POLITICS/SOCIETY.

I don't remember starting another thread about Obama saying 'we are one of the largest Muslim countries' but I am getting older and may have. Enlighten me please!

I'm not trying to censor anybody, coach, just putting my opinion out there like you do. I'm almost certain I've seen you have differing opinions on here with others but you don't call your responses censoring, just humorous, like i was basically trying to do. Keep up the good work, I'll still be a fan.

Fair enough.

I'm interested to see what's going to happen in 2012 if Obama keeps p.issing on Israel and taking bukkake shots to the face from Iran. I have a feeling by that time he will f.uck things up so bad that Colin Powell will run against him and win.

If Obama gets his cap and trade policy through... which I keep getting letters from my electric company saying that if this passes to expect my bill to rise by AT LEAST $50 per month (extra $600 per year). I say there is absolutely no way he is re-elected.

I also dont think that politicions are dumb enough (even the democrats) to pass this bill knowing it will SEVERLY hurt their chances for re-election.

Americans may not be smart enough to understand 90% of what goes on in this world, but they are smart enough to recognize a $50 TAX from the government in their electric bill every month.

it all comes down to guns + butter lori , you're right , if taxes get out of hand he won't win re-election

and the great 'oralter' we be heard again. "It's the economy stupid"

Cap and Trade will not only affect your electric bill but almost everything you buy as when manufacturers are hit with the tax they will have no choice but to pass it on down. sans products manufactured in foreign countries who don't have the tax. Let's see how that works out.

the bush tax cuts expire at then end of 2010

if we are still in a recession / no growth era , do you think it makes sense to not at least extend them for another year , do you really want taxes to go up in a non growing economy?

You guys are hilarious. Obama, for better or worse, is like teflon. I thought this would be a one term presidency but in order to beat a sitting president you have to have a decent candidate with which to beat him regardless of the performance of said president. See George W. Bush 2004.

The republican party needs to take a long look in the mirror and regroup for a run in 2016. Perhaps by then they can come up with a viable candidate. The idea that there are still people in the party that have hopes of trotting out a marginalized Sarah Palin in 2012 shows the sad state of affairs.

i always thought Hillary's biggest mistake was not running for president in '04

Bush was beatable and she could have gotten him that year considering that Kerry was right there against GW.

There's no doubt in mind that if Hillary had beaten Obama she would have been president

The Clinton's guessed wrong by not going for the jugular in '04

further to that point my guess is that bill didn't forsee anyone coming out of the democratic side in 2003 to take the nomination away from his wife in 2008thus they rolled the dice and waited 4 yrs , maybe there biggest politcal blunder both of them made

so today it's 2009 , in 2012 some darkhorse could come out of the woodworks like Obama and challenge for and win the party's nomination

Very true, dalakhani

Bush really did a number on the cons ... not to mention the economy.


Been hilarious watching them scramble around and lash out at BO since the embarrassing defeat last Nov




Palin-Jindal '12 :D

i don't agree with this , Obama in 2005 would have been 1000/1 to win the presidencey , therefore someone can still win from the republican party in 2012 - theremaybe someone out there how comes in from the back of the pack like MTB did in the derby an leaves everybody stunned ...... who bet on Obama to win in '05 ,06, +07 - it was all Hillary Clinton , she was even money to win the nomination for a long time

To be honest there is absolutely no way you can say Obama is made of teflon of not. If taxes go up, if the cap and trade is implemented, if 3 1/2 years from now the wars are worse or more countries are involved (north korea).. if the economy still sucks, and if the Stimulus doesnt work and inflation begins to happen.. there is no way Obama is re-elected.

Its pretty simple... If Obama policies work & the country is doing well, he gets re-elected, if his policies dont work and the country is doing worse, he is not re-elected... It doesnt really matter who runs against him. (unless Palin runs cause nobody likes her - but the chances of her winning the primary's are slim to non unless the Repubs really want to shoot themselves in the head).

I honestly don't care if you start 50 anti-Obama threads a day. There is certainly plenty to disagree about. As a leftist, I too disagree with him on several issues.
The thing that didn't make sense to me about this thread was that it is devoted to a particular line in a speech in which Obama was simply trying to emphasize to his audience that there is a large Muslim population in the United States. Given that, as you pointed out, there are over 6 million Muslims in the US, that seemed like a somewhat reasonable - if not terribly important - point. Making this point wasn't the main thing he was trying to accomplish in this trip, it was just one point in a speech. Why would he talk about how many Christians live in the country in this particular speech? Everybody already knows that, and it had nothing to do with his larger point.
I still fail to see how making that relatively simple and obvious point makes me an 'idiot,' but as you continue to demonstrate, you are entitled to your opinion.

Personally I'd just like to know which country on earth has the largest percentage of atheists. That actually is something to brag about with pride.

History has shown you to be incorrect. There have been a lot of lousy two term presidents. It is all about the opposition. The last two bushes (no pun intended you freak!:p ) show the dichotomy.

It's only a guess but N. Korea? That's a country with a rich tradition of starvation and oppression. But maybe some like the taste of lawn.

I was wrong Sweeden is number one followed by Viet Nam

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

to be fair bush I lost because of ross perot more than bill clinotn's persona

ross's constant attacks on the defecit really hammered home a lot of points against bush i who thought he was a lock after the gulf war , but, that election was won because of bread and butter , the economy turned sour about 9 months before the election and clintion was aided by ross perot's constant attacks on the defecit and spending in washington

and like i said hillary proably would have beaten GWB in '04 in my opinon , that stiff kerry was the best they could do and he almost won

the clinton's blew there chance in '04

Okay so I'll give you that Palin would probably equal Kerry as far as horrible opposition. Obama could sell us to China in the next four years and may still beat Palin.

But if the Repubs are smart, a Tim Pawlenty/Mitt Romney could seriously challange Obama, and if Obama's policies fail, then we would most likely win.

And you meant W's two term presidency right, cause Bush Sr. was a one term guy.

it does matter who runs , there is no question about that , but , a star could come from the clouds in 3 yrs - we just witnessed it last year , who ever thoguht hillary was not going to get the nomination

The economy was actually stabilized by the time the election came about. Clinton owned bush in the debates and ran a campaign that was light years beyond what the Conservatives had seen and they were left flat footed. Attributing clinton's success in that election to Perot is not giving necessary credit where it is due.

It will be good once America starts to move up that list.

I mean religion really doesnt matter until people use it to spew hate. The religious Americans who are heard the LOUDEST, unfortuanatly are using it to spew hatred. While I dont believe the majority of Christians are like this.. the ones who are being heard are. Kind of like Muslims, (obviously to a much lesser degree.. except in the recent abortion doctor killing.. that was a terrorist act) only a small minority are extreme.. they are just the one's heard the most.

Romney? I always thought that would be an interesting sell to the **** stompers in the midwest. A mormon president. Hmmmmm. Tough sell to the bible belt.

Pawlenty is another typical white guy. There is nothing "sexy" about him. You arent going to beat Obama and oprah winfrey with tim pawlenty and it doesnt matter if Obama tries to make Arabic studies a requirement for elementary school.

Using obama logic and overall numbers you'll be proud to know we rank 7th in the world overall. Interesting that for every American Muslim there are between 3 and 9 agnostics. Maybe he can use that fact when he visits China.

I meant them both on one ticket...

It's really up to Obama & his policies. If they work out (which I hope they do because our future rides on it)... he's a lock. Jesus and buddah could run against him and lose.

If his policies fail (and his honeymoon period will wear off soon).. than I could really see a Pawlenty/Romney ticket winning. It would be nice if Repubs could look past the Morman thing.. it makes no difference whether he's a Catholic, Bhuddist or agnostic, the man really know's his economics.

actually if you use 6,000,000 as the amount of Muslims in the country (which you previously posted)... that equates to exactly 2% of the population... not less than 1%..

20mm votes to a third party was pretty significant , i'm not saying clinton didn't run a good campaign , he did , and to say the economy was stablized at the time is debeatable - carvelle and step. to this day say "it's the economy stupid" as they key campaign slogan that pushed the mover the top

we will never know if bill would have beat gw I - mano a mano - those 20mm votes were very important

at least BO taught me there is a country named Burkina Faso. I have to go try to make someone's day by serving them a subpoena. Check back later....

and Gore lost because of Nader...and..the Supreme Court, but that's another thread:wf

But he doesnt have an ounce of charisma...and he's mormon. You put him and pawlenty on a ticket and it wouldnt matter if they caught obama downtown with a crackpipe in his mouth in the middle of the greatest depression...those guys would lose.

Republicans sold out to the Bible thumpers a long time ago. It won them a couple of elections but at the end of the day it is part of the reason they are in such disarray. They have to take a long look in the mirror. They desperately need a "rebrand". Trotting out two uppity white guys with no charisma is exactly what the country is going away from.

gore lost because his own party approved the ballot in palm beach county , the ballot that was hard to distinguish between gore / buchanan

fact is the economy was in great shape in '00 like it was in '88 when gw i won over dukakis , gore should have walked it shouldn't have come down to what it did , he should have won by open lengths

I guess we'll see in a couple years.

We can just agree to disagree that President Obama is untouchable.

I'm hoping that he's re-elected in 3 1/2 years because that means his policies are working and our country is succeeding.


By the way I havent told you lately that I :{>: you dala!

Look how many votes Nader got in FLA..your point is valid, but no Nader = Gore victory
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

again i don't disagree with that , but , in the final analysis from 2000 , the bigger picture that is never talked about was how great the country did under clinton for 8 yrs ..... whoever got the nomination should have walked/jogged never even have to go the whip to beat a republican ... right or wrong? the economy was still humming along and we were at peace no??

yep..should have been a cake walk

Eggzactly. That's why the republicans are going to bust a Colin Powell/Karl Malone ticket on that ass.

Condi Rice - 50 Cent ... 2012 :D