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Sightseek 05-24-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The best miler in Cal (maybe the country) just ran today. What the hell is he afraid of? that joker Whatsthescript?

That certainly was a fine performance and a new course record!

SCUDSBROTHER 05-24-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Wasn't multiple stakes winner Backbackbackgone lapped on to him for at least the first 1/2 mile?

BACK BACK broke best. Led for about half a furlong. Charlie's Moment then runs by him. Backback couldn't match him going 22.56, and 45.10. Bejarano is all over BACK BACK EARLY ON THE TURN, BUT CAN'T EVEN GO IN 45.10..Show me where those 2 ever go head n' head in that race. They don't, and they went slow. It was like a race on Pro Ride. Canonize may have wanted a quicker pace to run into. Who knows. Ellis horses are crap in stakes right now. Hard to say. Lot of horses not runing well on this main right now. You have to notice when a horse like BACKBACK runs huge in the Henson, and then can't go in 45.10 today....Carryover....To me, that Barrera Stakes looked like one animal handled the track. The 2nd place horse tolerated it. The others hated it. I see a big difference between this track right now, and the track the first couple weeks of the meet. Look at the 6th race. The winner is totally exhausted, but nobody else is handling the track either.

the_fat_man 05-24-2009 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
No, perhaps it's just a Frankel thing.

I wouldn't run her either. Gomez has screwed up 2 G1's in a row with her. In other words, he BLEW 2 ****in G1 races in a row with her. How the **** do you make up for something like that? This is akin to a bad (luck) streak gambling. When **** like this goes down I take a break to regroup.

blackthroatedwind 05-24-2009 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Ventura will be a scratch.


I would assume because he planned all along to try to repeat in the Just a Game on Belmont day.

the_fat_man 05-24-2009 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I would assume because he planned all along to try to repeat in the Just a Game on Belmont day.

Going back to the place of one of her perfect trips. Good idea. Is BEL guaranteeing an inside post?:rolleyes:

blackthroatedwind 05-24-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Going back to the place of one of her perfect trips. Good idea. Is BEL guaranteeing an inside post?:rolleyes:


Being that she is already stabled at Belmont the only surprising thing is that he even entered her at Hollywood.

RolloTomasi 05-24-2009 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
BACK BACK broke best. Led for about half a furlong. Charlie's Moment then runs by him. Backback couldn't match him going 22.56, and 45.10. Bejarano is all over BACK BACK EARLY ON THE TURN, BUT CAN'T EVEN GO IN 45.10..Show me where those 2 ever go head n' head in that race. They don't, and they went slow. It was like a race on Pro Ride. Canonize may have wanted a quicker pace to run into. Who knows. Ellis horses are crap in stakes right now. Hard to say. Lot of horses not runing well on this main right now. You have to notice when a horse like BACKBACK runs huge in the Henson, and then can't go in 45.10 today....

An essentially :45 flat 1/2 mile fraction for a 7f race?

As far as Backbackbackgone is concerned, he has never been on the lead in a main track race with a 1/4 mile equal to or faster than the one he saw today. Nonetheless, he stayed within a 1/2 length of the winner down the backside and even made a bid at him before the far turn. He's never looked like a horse that wants anything to do with 7f (or other quality speed for that matter), my guess is that Pete Miller had no other options than to run here aside from tackling his elders.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-24-2009 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
An essentially :45 flat 1/2 mile fraction for a 7f race?

As far as Backbackbackgone is concerned, he has never been on the lead in a main track race with a 1/4 mile equal to or faster than the one he saw today. Nonetheless, he stayed within a 1/2 length of the winner down the backside and even made a bid at him before the far turn. He's never looked like a horse that wants anything to do with 7f (or other quality speed for that matter), my guess is that Pete Miller had no other options than to run here aside from tackling his elders.

Ain't playing that track until more than 1 or 2 horses a race look like they can handle the track. This is the problem with synthetic tracks out here. It's not a front or back bias. It's not a outside/inside bias. It's a case of horses not being able to handle the surface. I don't know why Zensational scratched. Maybe they brought him across town, and he said "no" to that track. From the start of this meet until about say 2 weeks ago, this track was just fine. I remember myself n' Philski saying it was like the old HWD dirt course. I don't know what they did, but it's looking more n' more like the inconsistent Pro-Ride across town. The type of horses who start winning are the very average(but consistent) horses that can handle a track that the majority don't handle. That's what won the Barrera. Just a mediocre horse who couldhandle a track that the others couldn't handle.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-24-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
An essentially :45 flat 1/2 mile fraction for a 7f race?

As far as Backbackbackgone is concerned, he has never been on the lead in a main track race with a 1/4 mile equal to or faster than the one he saw today. Nonetheless, he stayed within a 1/2 length of the winner down the backside and even made a bid at him before the far turn. He's never looked like a horse that wants anything to do with 7f (or other quality speed for that matter), my guess is that Pete Miller had no other options than to run here aside from tackling his elders.

Ain't playing that track until more than 1 or 2 horses a race look like they can handle the track. This is the problem with synthetic tracks out here. It's not a front or back bias. It's not a outside/inside bias. It's a case of horses not being able to handle the surface. I don't know why Zensational scratched. Maybe they brought him across town, and he said "no" to that track. From the start of this meet until about say 2 weeks ago, this track was just fine. I remember myself n' Philski saying it was like the old HWD dirt course. I don't know what they did, but it's looking more n' more like the inconsistent Pro-Ride across town. The type of horses who start winning are the very average(but consistent) horses that can handle a track that the majority don't handle. That's what won the Barrera. Just a mediocre horse who could handle a track that the others couldn't handle. Indian Charlie makes weeds. Some flowers, but a lot of very tough weeds.

the_fat_man 05-24-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Ain't playing that track until more than 1 or 2 horses a race look like they can handle the track. This is the problem with synthetic tracks out here. It's not a front or back bias. It's not a outside/inside bias. It's a case of horses not being able to handle the surface. I don't know why Zensational scratched. Maybe they brought him across town, and he said "no" to that track. From the start of this meet until about say 2 weeks ago, this track was just fine. I remember myself n' Philski saying it was like the old HWD dirt course. I don't know what they did, but it's looking more n' more like the inconsistent Pro-Ride across town. The type of horses who start winning are the very average(but consistent) horses that can handle a track that the majority don't handle. That's what won the Barrera. Just a mediocre horse who could handle a track that the others couldn't handle. Indian Charlie makes weeds. Some flowers, but a lot of very tough weeds.

I don't buy this. It's always something with you: someone is juicing, someone is pulling, etc. This track is fine. They should all play this consistently --- and by this I mean fairly. You want something to really bitch about, as in a VERY DIFFICULT track to beat? Try Woodbine.

RolloTomasi 05-24-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
That's what won the Barrera. Just a mediocre horse who could handle a track that the others couldn't handle.

Anyone want to guess which horse in the Laz Barrera had the 2nd most lifetime earnings, was one of only two horses with multiple stakes victories on its resume, the only one to have won a route stakes, the only one to have defeated a Grade 1 winner (Norfolk winner Street Hero), and also owned the fastest Beyer number (in a sprint no less) in the field?

Yep, you guessed it...the only one who could handle the track (so long as you turn a blind eye to his previous 0 for 3 record over the course).

blackthroatedwind 05-24-2009 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Anyone want to guess which horse in the Laz Barrera had the 2nd most lifetime earnings, was one of only two horses with multiple stakes victories on its resume, the only one to have won a route stakes, the only one to have defeated a Grade 1 winner (Norfolk winner Street Hero), and also owned the fastest Beyer number (in a sprint no less) in the field?

Yep, you guessed it...the only one who could handle the track (so long as you turn a blind eye to his previous 0 for 3 record over the course).


Can I take a stab at it?

SCUDSBROTHER 05-24-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I don't buy this.


So stunning. Last time you agreed with anybody was in a buffet line.

RolloTomasi 05-24-2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Can I take a stab at it?

Only if you're Scuds other brother.

pgardn 05-24-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I don't buy this. It's always something with you: someone is juicing, someone is pulling, etc. This track is fine. They should all play this consistently --- and by this I mean fairly. You want something to really bitch about, as in a VERY DIFFICULT track to beat? Try Woodbine.

Its always something with him?
From the guy who thinks horse's
have handles and pedals.

Sheeezus...

SCUDSBROTHER 05-24-2009 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Can I take a stab at it?


This is synthetic. You're above that.

pgardn 05-24-2009 09:28 PM

Im glad the East is making big money
off Hollywood. There have been some
very, very good prices.

Especially in the lesser races.
Congrats to all.

blackthroatedwind 05-24-2009 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
This is synthetic. You're above that.

Actually Hollywood is the only synthetic track I play with any regularity as it is the most formful.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-24-2009 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Actually Hollywood is the only synthetic track I play with any regularity as it is the most formful.

It was until a couple weeks ago. The first month of the meet was great.

LARHAGE 05-24-2009 09:56 PM

Per TVG Ventura bruised a hoof, and for Zensational, Baffert is contemplating the Woody Stevens.

blackthroatedwind 05-24-2009 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
It was until a couple weeks ago. The first month of the meet was great.


This reminds me of a few years ago when one of my track friends, who thinks every race is fixed, went on vacation for a few weeks. Another friend commented " did you notice how many less fixed races there are now that Billy's out of town. "

SCUDSBROTHER 05-24-2009 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
This reminds me of a few years ago when one of my track friends, who thinks every race is fixed, went on vacation for a few weeks. Another friend commented " did you notice how many less fixed races there are now that Billy's out of town. "


Reminds me of singers attacking other singers.

CSC 05-25-2009 08:46 AM

Sadler's horses seem to have perked up of late, I wonder if Gomez factored in The Frankel 'scratch' factor when he took the mount on Ventura or he would certainly ridden Whatsthescript today in the Shoemaker.

Mike 05-25-2009 10:27 AM

I'm going with Tiz West in the Shoemaker

Other prayers, Certain Promise in Holly's 6th;Tres Barracho's in the 8th

cowgirlintexas 05-25-2009 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The best miler in Cal (maybe the country) just ran today. What the hell is he afraid of? that joker Whatsthescript?


It was a ahem... a "foot" issue :rolleyes:

eajinabi 05-25-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike
I'm going with Tiz West in the Shoemaker

Other prayers, Certain Promise in Holly's 6th;Tres Barracho's in the 8th

Tres Boraachos - 23-1 in wire job. VERY VERY NICE!

Mike 05-25-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike
I'm going with Tiz West in the Shoemaker

Other prayers, Certain Promise in Holly's 6th;Tres Barracho's in the 8th

Tres Barrracho's paid real well

I've been lucky today, but i have just one race to go , Tiz West here, when I should have went with Thorn Song

CSC 05-25-2009 07:09 PM

I had a hard time splitting WTS and Hyperbaric this morning, have to go with the value in the latter. Don't believe in the Dubai curse he usually runs a game race.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-25-2009 07:17 PM

Without the steroids, WTS hasn't been the same horse.

CSC 05-25-2009 07:18 PM

He hasn't been the same since Goldikova spanked him.

RolloTomasi 05-25-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Without the steroids, WTS hasn't been the same horse.

Yep. Just got beat about a length in a Grade 1 vs. old rivals Hyperbaric and Storm Military. The 7-month layoff was negligible.

A far cry from his previous Grade 2-calibur form.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-25-2009 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Yep. Just got beat about a length in a Grade 1 vs. old rivals Hyperbaric and Storm Military. The 7-month layoff was negligible.

A far cry from his previous Grade 2-calibur form.

He easily beat Hyperbaric and Storm Military off the same type of layoff in the American Handicap on the same course last June. Not as good a horse as he was before Sadler had to stop giving him steroids in early September. You love to argue. Do it with your own fkd up head. There's no argument here. Join a G damn debate society. You only rebound. He's just lost at even money, and at 6/5. Only an a-s-s like you would say he's the same horse. I didn't say a far cry. I said he's not the same horse. What an over-enthusiastic a-s-s-hole rebounder.

RolloTomasi 05-25-2009 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
You love to argue. Do it with your own fkd up head. There's no argument here. Join a G damn debate society.

Actually, I am part of a debate club in my spare time.

Our current topic...

What the fucl< that pictogram of crude, colored shapes you use as an avatar represents.

My contention...

Its an image of a toilet bowl from your point-of-view as you stand--shirtless-- over it, admiring your "work".

Apparently you have some sort of deformed, "outie" bellybutton protruding from your gut.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-25-2009 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Actually, I am part of a debate club in my spare time.

Our current topic...

What the fucl< that pictogram of crude, colored shapes you use as an avatar represents.

My contention...

Its an image of a toilet bowl from your point-of-view as you stand--shirtless-- over it, admiring your "work".

Apparently you have some sort of deformed, "outie" bellybutton protruding from your gut.

Lets go with:

Obama (with a fro and an orange turtleneck shirt) pandering for votes at an outdoor(drive-in) swap meet. Your effort was acceptable though.

Antitrust32 05-26-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Lets go with:

Obama (with a fro and an orange turtleneck shirt) pandering for votes at an outdoor(drive-in) swap meet. Your effort was acceptable though.


I thought it was a flat screen tv with a football or turd on tv.

Left Bank 05-26-2009 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
That's pretty comical.

If anything, the trend is that horses stabled in Ky don't do well when shipping to a major circuit for a race.

Your statement is comical,even more so since Thorn Song won the Shoemaker.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-26-2009 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I thought it was a flat screen tv with a football or turd on tv.

Maybe a baked potato (big screen with a commercial for Idaho Potatoes.) That would be an incomplete answer, because you've failed to address the orange object. I will complete your effort by suggesting it could be the top of a miniature Pizza Hut (some brat left it in front of the T.V.)........ GPK, please note that I have no toe in my potato.

Antitrust32 05-26-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Maybe a baked potato (big screen with a commercial for Idaho Potatoes.) That would be an incomplete answer, because you've failed to address the orange object. I will complete your effort by suggesting it could be the top of a miniature Pizza Hut (some brat left it in front of the T.V.)........ GPK, please note that I have no toe in my potato.


The orange object is the TV stand silly!!! Looks just like the stand on my flat screen!!

SCUDSBROTHER 05-26-2009 02:33 PM

Actually, the white thing is a staged backdrop for Kev to show off the game he has invented (SNOWGOLF.)....See, I have even got a rap for the commercial:

"With the Brown ball, on the Orange tee.......You can Golf Aspen in Januar-REEeee!!"


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