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Danzig 05-17-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco
The NHL will never get beyond "niche" status (this from an avowed hockey nut) because the game doesn't translate to TV. There is too much going on away from the puck that takes away from the nuance of the game on TV. The league attendance is up this year in the regular season as well as playoffs, and apparently season ticket renewals are ahead of last year's pace in most markets.....even Long Island. I also happen to think Versus does a terrific job.

i prefer vs coverage to nbc. but that sport absolutely is best watched live. i will get nhl center ice come fall, so much better to watch than to listen to the radio.

Left Bank 05-17-2009 06:58 PM

The NHL needs Slots at all arena's to save itself!!!!

pgiaco 05-17-2009 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i prefer vs coverage to nbc. but that sport absolutely is best watched live. i will get nhl center ice come fall, so much better to watch than to listen to the radio.

The Center Ice Package is awesome, but make sure you can also get the NHL Network so you can watch the Hockey Night in Canada package every Saturday night. That's hockey coverage.

Coach Pants 05-17-2009 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

infinite vertical image...

expletive laden gambler's rage...

You wouldn't know anything about gambling which is puzzling because you're on a forum that deals primarily with a sport that exists because of gambling.

That's...odd.

pgardn 05-17-2009 07:31 PM

Whatever.

I guess you follow me to the track.

Danzig 05-17-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco
The Center Ice Package is awesome, but make sure you can also get the NHL Network so you can watch the Hockey Night in Canada package every Saturday night. That's hockey coverage.


yeah, i have that.

MisterB 05-18-2009 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
How many times did you hear or read how going to the Preakness was not in her best interests, or made no sense, or there was no point.

Imagine if she was never bought by Jess Jackson. Mine That Bird would not of had the pace to close in on, Musket Man would have likely been the Preakness winner and the buzz surrounding this year's Preakness would be non-existent.

Handle on the card yesterday was exceptionally strong - this stuff works. Having big match-ups, big names, stars - it works.

Now I read in various locations how going to the Belmont makes no sense with Rachel Alexandra. Huh?

Kudos to Jess Jackson for putting her in a spot where she belonged. And provided she is healthy and no worse for the wear, I hope it's the Belmont next.

It's weekends like this which prove horse racing still has a place.

Handle up, Attendence down is a good thing? The only people who want her to run in the Belmont is NYRA, ESPN, Casino's, and sport writers. Jackson is a hero???

If she runs in 3 weeks, I hope she comes out ok. She won't win the Belmont anyway.

Assman knows best for the horse, which some could care less about.

joeydb 05-18-2009 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
Handle up, Attendence down is a good thing?

Well, how many of the 35,000 drunks they were missing actually put more than $2 down on a bet?

I don't think anyone missed the "Running of the Porta Potties" this year.

The AP story speaks for itself:

To compensate for not allowing fans to bring in alcohol, Pimlico sold beer at modest prices. From 8-11 a.m., fans could get a cup for a buck. After that, it was $3.50.

"Kids my age won't pay that much," said Kendall Wadsworth, 21, who went to the race with her father. "If you could pay $1 all day, that would be different. It wouldn't cost that much to get wasted."

Good riddance.

MisterB 05-18-2009 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
Well, how many of the 35,000 drunks they were missing actually put more than $2 down on a bet?

I don't think anyone missed the "Running of the Porta Potties" this year.

The AP story speaks for itself:

To compensate for not allowing fans to bring in alcohol, Pimlico sold beer at modest prices. From 8-11 a.m., fans could get a cup for a buck. After that, it was $3.50.

"Kids my age won't pay that much," said Kendall Wadsworth, 21, who went to the race with her father. "If you could pay $1 all day, that would be different. It wouldn't cost that much to get wasted."

Good riddance.

And you couldn't find 500 people at the track after the one day wonder. People talk about bringing the young into the sport?? With over 50 years in this sport, I can say it's soon disappearing in the rear view mirror.

Could care less about the pot smokers, beer bongs, and potty runners.

zippyneedsawin 05-18-2009 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i prefer vs coverage to nbc. but that sport absolutely is best watched live. i will get nhl center ice come fall, so much better to watch than to listen to the radio.


or, like most sports, in HD!

zippyneedsawin 05-18-2009 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
completely disagree, hockey poorly negotiated with ESPN and they finally walked away from the table and left them on a no name network. It has killed the game.

Racing should be doing everything it can to get on any platform that will shown them, TVG and HRTV should be on all mediums and the tracks would be wise to try and make that happen with the funds to do so.

Direct TV has additional channels to support HRTV, the only reason is poorly negotiated contracts with TVG.

I didn't know that was the reason only TVG is on DirecTV (although it makes sense). Anyone know when the current contract expires? -- said the DirecTV customer.

Rootdog1 05-18-2009 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
How many times did you hear or read how going to the Preakness was not in her best interests, or made no sense, or there was no point.

Imagine if she was never bought by Jess Jackson. Mine That Bird would not of had the pace to close in on, Musket Man would have likely been the Preakness winner and the buzz surrounding this year's Preakness would be non-existent.

Handle on the card yesterday was exceptionally strong - this stuff works. Having big match-ups, big names, stars - it works.

Now I read in various locations how going to the Belmont makes no sense with Rachel Alexandra. Huh?

Kudos to Jess Jackson for putting her in a spot where she belonged. And provided she is healthy and no worse for the wear, I hope it's the Belmont next.

It's weekends like this which prove horse racing still has a place.

Much of this is attributed to my comment that she didnt need to run back in two weeks. They did and she won...I am glad I was not "proven" right by her becoming injured. Your views do not take into account the wellfare of the horse, but rather the sport in total. That is fine...we just see it different.

mes5107 05-18-2009 09:11 AM

I, for one, would love to see a RA/MTB rematch in the Belmont if both are able to run back. Nobody's really talking about that here. That final stretch run in the Preakness was really exciting. "Can MTB get there?; Can Rachel last til the wire?; Where the heck IS the wire?" The early speed/closer dichotomy is very fun to watch.

philcski 05-18-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
And you couldn't find 500 people at the track after the one day wonder. People talk about bringing the young into the sport?? With over 50 years in this sport, I can say it's soon disappearing in the rear view mirror.

Could care less about the pot smokers, beer bongs, and potty runners.

I hope not... they were closed on Sunday

Bigsmc 05-18-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mes5107
I, for one, would love to see a RA/MTB rematch in the Belmont if both are able to run back. Nobody's really talking about that here. That final stretch run in the Preakness was really exciting. "Can MTB get there?; Can Rachel last til the wire?; Where the heck IS the wire?" The early speed/closer dichotomy is very fun to watch.

I think that is a given. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody on this board that wouldn't want to see them go at it again.

joeydb 05-18-2009 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I hope not... they were closed on Sunday

That was funny! :D

sumitas 05-18-2009 09:48 AM

This has to be the biggest rivalry since Affirmed and Alydar .

Antitrust32 05-18-2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
This has to be the biggest rivalry since Affirmed and Alydar .

;) I dont know if its reached the Sunday Silence/ Easy Goer yet.. I mean, they have only faced each other 1 time!!

MisterB 05-18-2009 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I hope not... they were closed on Sunday

Really:rolleyes:

philcski 05-18-2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
Really:rolleyes:

Did you go to the Preakness on Saturday? Or are you just speaking in hyperbole?

You are complaining about the game not attracting new fans, but there's FIVE people celebrating birthdays on here today, of which FOUR are under the age of 30.

The other one, Dellinger, is just young at heart. :o (sorry Dell)

MisterB 05-18-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Did you go to the Preakness on Saturday? Or are you just speaking in hyperbole?

You are complaining about the game not attracting new fans, but there's FIVE people celebrating birthdays on here today, of which FOUR are under the age of 30.

The other one, Dellinger, is just young at heart. :o (sorry Dell)

No, I didn't travel 1,000 miles to go to the races. But I do travel 150 miles many times to go to Belmont. I am there more than the people who live there.

All we need is to get a couple more under 30, and we will be all set.

This site has good energy, some youth too. This is a good thing.

Now they only need to find a way to clone Byk, and start 1,000 more sites.

pointman 05-18-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
And you couldn't find 500 people at the track after the one day wonder. People talk about bringing the young into the sport?? With over 50 years in this sport, I can say it's soon disappearing in the rear view mirror.

Could care less about the pot smokers, beer bongs, and potty runners.

The sport is not dying, people have to stop buying into this. I don't know the exact number, but when you count the total attendance of every racetrack around the country on any given day, racing still draws a ton of fans and likely more than the combined attendance of any other single sport attending a live event on a given day. The ban on bringing liquor into the infield is the primary factor in the reduction of attendance at Pimlico this year, however, the obvious conclusion is that those that didn't attend don't really pump much money into the handle anyway.

Then, when you factor the ease of placing bets over the internet from your living room couch, it becomes clear that the dynamics are simply changing and the sport must (and has been) adjust to it. I still love taking in a day at the races, but I don't go to the track as much even though I am 20 minutes from Belmont and Aqueduct simply because I really enjoy going to my couch and enjoying a day "at" the races on a large flat screen television. The sport will be fine going forward.

philcski 05-18-2009 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
No, I didn't travel 1,000 miles to go to the races. But I do travel 150 miles many times to go to Belmont. I am there more than the people who live there.

All we need is to get a couple more under 30, and we will be all set.

This site has good energy, some youth too. This is a good thing.

Now they only need to find a way to clone Byk, and start 1,000 more sites.

:tro: Here here to that, the greatest ambassador to racing I know and a good friend as well.

As for generating new fans, it's all about getting people to show up who want to learn. I brought a newbie on Saturday (a thanks again to MD's greatest host, the Doc) and she had a wonderful time. This person grew up literally a mile from Pimlico and had NEVER been there. We didn't do very well at the windows, but she cashed one nice WP ticket and was hooked. She wants to go again next week!


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