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2Hot4TV 05-14-2009 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt


Just Let it Ride, baby!

Losing your job lets you know that you are not "walking around lucky and just dont know it."

I work in areospace manufacturing and the backlog is gone. Its catching up to everybody, be careful.

rontheman1964 05-14-2009 08:17 PM

Hmmmm, quite a dilemma indeed. Would be helpful to know more details about what led to this downturn in your life and if there are other players still in your life.

In a nutshell, I am guessing that blowing a couple grand at the track isn't the answer to your problems. Win or lose you will eventually run out of your original stake and the only thing you will have accomplished is having $2000 less for the judge to divide between you and the ex-wife or soon to be ex-wife. (I am guessing there is an ex-wife or soon to be ex-wife because no wife would give her hubby the ok to play the horses for a living after losing his job.)

Invest the money in finding a new job. As boring as this sounds everyone knows it is the smart thing to do.

(Or buy 2000 Powerball tickets. The jackpot is $150 million. If you win....remember who gave you the advice that changed your life.....)

MISTERGEE 05-14-2009 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62
I would be interested in seeing what percentages of their play/bankroll go into which pools....

for beyer the more exotic the better

skippy3481 05-14-2009 08:39 PM

Curt dont do it. Save the money, keep saving, find a new job, keep saving, become ceo of grocer company, keep saving, Retire from said job and play ponies full time.

Danzig 05-14-2009 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by skippy3481
Curt dont do it. Save the money, keep saving, find a new job, keep saving, become ceo of grocer company, keep saving, Retire from said job and play ponies full time.


that is excellent advice!

sdjcom 05-14-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Personally, I wouldn't do it.

For this to be successful, we need to assume a number of factors are in place:

1) you have the requisite handicapping skills

2) you have the requisite money management skills

3) you have nuts HUGE enough that you'll be able to not only win but win under extra pressure.

Of course you might have a good run and make a ton of money.

The problem is that you're clearly not ready. By this I mean that you haven't grown a bankroll. Had you done so over a period of time and had the confidence of knowing that you could do it, you'd probably be good to go; assuming you could handle the added pressure of knowing that you had no money coming in if you lost. Then again, if you'd grown a bankroll, you probably wouldn't be looking to work for a living.

the best advice you will ever get for free, take this man's gift and concentrate on finding a job. the horseracing will still be here on-line when you are ready to play after a hard week's work. good advice Fats

2Hot4TV 05-14-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
that is excellent advice!

If you dont die young.

PatCummings 05-14-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla
If the rest wasn't a joke and you are actually asking this then you already have your answer.

So let me get this right. You want to make money from horse racing and you are asking a bunch a strangers this question.

If you could do this to make money you wouldn't have to ask this question. You would already know.


sorry to be blunt... but, wake up

I agree wholeheartedly and scanned this entire thread purposely to determine if anyone else had made this realization.

satan's twin 05-14-2009 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
I worked for this company just shy of 3 years. Based on the way things went down, I might have a problem getting UI. I just have a little time to kill before I move. I've already got a job offer from a grocery chain in the south, and trust me their are planty of other (grocers) to work for down their. These chains are all in the south and have no strores here in Ohio.

Look, if I go to the track for 7, 10 days and am getting smacked around I have enough sense to quit. Just with all this time, and the attitude I have, well you know.


You lost your job, you have a couple thousand bucks to your name and you want to take a run as a professional gambler?........ What, you're forced into this drastic step because NASA's dragging their feet on your application to be an astronaut?

Based on your comment that "their are planty of other to work for down their", it would seem that corporate training for a position of this magnitude pretty much ends after mastering that challenging customer service hurdle of "paper or plastic?"

Life is short. Go for the glory, Spartacus. And do keep us posted about life at the campground.

Danzig 05-14-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
If you dont die young.


and odds are you won't. probably better odds than taking a couple grand and making a run at being a pro horse player.

Coach Pants 05-14-2009 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skippy3481
Curt dont do it. Save the money, keep saving, find a new job, keep saving, become ceo of grocer company, keep saving, Retire from said job and play ponies full time.

Lets be realistic here...

DaTruth 05-14-2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
Well, my life took a turn. I'm not gonna share the details, but I went from being employed to unemployed on Tuesday. And here I was under the false pretense that my job was going great:zz:

I've had some success at the windows these past couple of months. I am actually considering a 3 to 4 week try at playing for a profit. A serious 5 day a week job with a plan, a budget. Question is, what should be my bet(s) of choice? I'm thinkin straight win, pick 3's. I'm gonna budget myself to $200 a day max. Am I crazy or would you consider doing the same thing? Have any of you done something similar?

Buy an entry into a high-dollar handicapping tournament. You might get lucky and take down the top prize, or one of the lesser prizes. You have a better chance doing that than trying to make a living handicapping on two hundred bucks a day.

timmgirvan 05-14-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
If you dont die young.


Preach it,Brother!

But seriously....if I'd followed Steve's and Hooves plays I'd have money in the bank....probably!

The word is CAUTION,Curt.........get your UI first....then use maybe 400 of your stake to see if you can make up some big money. It's way better to have a "cushion" than living week to week! Take care.

dagolfer33 05-14-2009 11:55 PM

Hopefully, you just played Herks pk4 at LS....if you did you would already be up a grand.

rontheman1964 05-15-2009 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
Well, my life took a turn. I'm not gonna share the details, but I went from being employed to unemployed on Tuesday. And here I was under the false pretense that my job was going great:zz:

I've had some success at the windows these past couple of months. I am actually considering a 3 to 4 week try at playing for a profit. A serious 5 day a week job with a plan, a budget. Question is, what should be my bet(s) of choice? I'm thinkin straight win, pick 3's. I'm gonna budget myself to $200 a day max. Am I crazy or would you consider doing the same thing? Have any of you done something similar?

Awwww, c'mon...share the details. Please......

chucklestheclown 05-15-2009 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by satan's twin
You lost your job, you have a couple thousand bucks to your name and you want to take a run as a professional gambler?........ What, you're forced into this drastic step because NASA's dragging their feet on your application to be an astronaut?

Based on your comment that "their are planty of other to work for down their", it would seem that corporate training for a position of this magnitude pretty much ends after mastering that challenging customer service hurdle of "paper or plastic?"

Life is short. Go for the glory, Spartacus. And do keep us posted about life at the campground.

That is cold. I would suggest, though, that you buy as many tomatoes as you can haul and sell them on the road leading into your home-track. You will, in a way, be making money off the ponies, and you also will be gaining valuable life experience.

hockey2315 05-15-2009 01:50 AM

Live poker would be a superior option if you had the requisite skills - much more beatable - very few people are capable of making a profit from horseplaying - basically you have to be a superior handicapper who can find hidden value and a creative bettor who can exploit those valuable opinions in a way that overcomes take-out and the efficiency of the pools. To be honest, if you were capable of doing this at this point, you wouldn't need to ask questions like "what kind of bets should I play?"

joeydb 05-15-2009 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by robfla
If the rest wasn't a joke and you are actually asking this then you already have your answer.

So let me get this right. You want to make money from horse racing and you are asking a bunch a strangers this question.

If you could do this to make money you wouldn't have to ask this question. You would already know.


sorry to be blunt... but, wake up

Your logic is impeccable, Captain.


2Hot4TV 05-15-2009 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
and odds are you won't. probably better odds than taking a couple grand and making a run at being a pro horse player.

You're right, but "NO guts No glory".
The odds to go from part time player to making a living at this ,,,,,,,,,,,1000000 to 1. I'll do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:zz:

miraja2 05-15-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by satan's twin
And do keep us posted about life at the campground.

:tro:

miraja2 05-15-2009 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
Well, my life took a turn. I'm not gonna share the details, but I went from being employed to unemployed on Tuesday. And here I was under the false pretense that my job was going great:zz:

I've had some success at the windows these past couple of months. I am actually considering a 3 to 4 week try at playing for a profit. A serious 5 day a week job with a plan, a budget. Question is, what should be my bet(s) of choice? I'm thinkin straight win, pick 3's. I'm gonna budget myself to $200 a day max. Am I crazy or would you consider doing the same thing? Have any of you done something similar?

I guess the only things that matter are: 1) Do you have something you can fall back on if you go broke? 2)How confident are you in your skills at handicapping & ticket construction? For example, with my skills at this game, I would be better off becoming a professional lottery player.

2Hot4TV 05-15-2009 07:49 AM

So it looks like you will be going green, because you cant afford a car, car insurance, air conditioning or heating at home, ho yea the home is out ,,,,,,

OR

Holy Mother of Mary I just hit the jack pot! I'M doing the Cha Cha Cha!!!:$:

slotdirt 05-15-2009 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV
Losing your job lets you know that you are not "walking around lucky and just dont know it."

I work in areospace manufacturing and the backlog is gone. Its catching up to everybody, be careful.

Not quite sure what you meant here, but I hope you realize my posting of the picture from the Richard Dreyfuss movie was obviously tongue in cheek.

johnny pinwheel 05-15-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane
Hell give it a shot.What have you got to lose,2k? Desperate times call for desperate measures.

PS You are crazy and yes I've done something similar.

If you have to do it go with the 3 and out system.Put $500 in your pocket for food and shelter.

Next take your three best shots with $250 wp wagers. If failing to connect three consecutive times start looking at alternative sources of income. Good Luck!!

i've been there. when i got sick. it took two years for my lawyer to settle with disability and the union. i had to get good and fast. the win ,place angle is good and like conway said take a couple shots a day. to bet all the time and make money, YOU MUST SPOT PLAY. go through the card and find some horses you like that are at least 3 to 1. i look for some that will pay at least 10 bucks on the win. i bet ny alot and they are there every day, logical horses that pay good. if you are sharp and disiplined you can make money. once you get ahead start playing pic 3's, keying the type horses i mentioned. its worked for me and i have not worked a real job in almost 5 years. the problem is most people can't bet all the time without getting overboard, thats why most lose at this. i have friends that bet whatever is 2 minutes till post. i'll sit there for 3 races before i even wager a dime if i'm waiting for my "go to" horse. use your money like a snipers rifle, not a shotgun.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-15-2009 02:36 PM

curt get a job..play when you can..its tough for anyone who can take the losses over a period of time..you will have a cold streak everyone does.and when that happens and your short on cash you will not think clearly then go bust..if you must.find 2 prime plays of the day. if you make money.shut it down. play the next time you have a few prime plays..be happy with any forward movement of your bankroll.dont think im hot.. just be happy with your return.. this is the way you can build a bankroll and not get busted.betting action bets on a bad track..ie mountianer ect will kill you

take the dark days off..study hard watch alot of races /get a w list of horses
on drf. good luck

2Hot4TV 05-15-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Not quite sure what you meant here, but I hope you realize my posting of the picture from the Richard Dreyfuss movie was obviously tongue in cheek.

I'm just foolin around and hope you do well at what ever you do. I wish everyone the best.

steve 05-15-2009 07:26 PM

two words----giant eagle

SCUDSBROTHER 05-15-2009 09:28 PM

Well, my only advice is to use people's fear to your own advantage. People don't generally want to be out of a p4 after the 1st leg. So, they tend to use like 3 horses in the 1st leg(often the most likely 3 horses.)They won't try to lean up there. That will often turn a $20 late pick 3 ticket into a $60 late pick 4 ticket. The other thing they will do is avoid the pick 4, and just bet a late pick 3. This is due to fear of that 1st leg pick 4 loss. So, my advice is to look for pick 4 plays where you like a single in the 1st leg. That's important. There a lot of people who's preferred horse in that late pick 4 yesterday at HWD was the 2nd fav that won the first leg. They didn't trust it(cuz scared of being out after one leg.) So, they put $20 into the late pick 3, and hit for $134. They know they should of had over $600 for that late p4, and they know they could of done it for $20. Right? The most obvious horses won the last 2 races. The winner of the 2nd leg was like the 5th deep horse for most people. If you liked the Talamo horse in the 1st leg, then it's a $20 p4 bet. So, look for p4 bets where the 1st leg has a horse you can single. Then you can go 5x2x2 etc. the rest of the way.

philcski 05-15-2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Well, my only advice is to use people's fear to your own advantage. People don't generally want to be out of a p4 after the 1st leg. So, they tend to use like 3 horses in the 1st leg(often the most likely 3 horses.)They won't try to lean up there. That will often turn a $20 late pick 3 ticket into a $60 late pick 4 ticket. The other thing they will do is avoid the pick 4, and just bet a late pick 3. This is due to fear of that 1st leg pick 4 loss. So, my advice is to look for pick 4 plays where you like a single in the 1st leg. That's important. There a lot of people who's preferred horse in that late pick 4 yesterday at HWD was the 2nd fav that won the first leg. They didn't trust it(cuz scared of being out after one leg.) So, they put $20 into the late pick 3, and hit for $134. They know they should of had over $600 for that late p4, and they know they could of done it for $20. Right? The most obvious horses won the last 2 races. The winner of the 2nd leg was like the 5th deep horse for most people. If you liked the Talamo horse in the 1st leg, then it's a $20 p4 bet. So, look for p4 bets where the 1st leg has a horse you can single. Then you can go 5x2x2 etc. the rest of the way.

this is very true. the first leg of any multileg wager is the most critical for this psychological reason.

westcoastinvader 05-16-2009 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
curt get a job..play when you can..its tough for anyone who can take the losses over a period of time..you will have a cold streak everyone does.and when that happens and your short on cash you will not think clearly then go bust..if you must.find 2 prime plays of the day. if you make money.shut it down. play the next time you have a few prime plays..be happy with any forward movement of your bankroll.dont think im hot.. just be happy with your return.. this is the way you can build a bankroll and not get busted.betting action bets on a bad track..ie mountianer ect will kill you

take the dark days off..study hard watch alot of races /get a w list of horses
on drf. good luck


Curt, my "non-gambling" advice on your thoughts is to keep your living expense overhead low.

I lived off of Calder and Gulfstream and the dogs for about a year with a little barely above minimum wage 20 hour/week job on the side while I was taking a couple grad classes. I had a roommate and a "paid for" car and only split utilities and rent and food to pay for, and made a pretty nice life during that time.

I also took advantage of a junket out of Fort Lauderdale that flew to the Playboy Club casino in The Bahamas each afternoon for $20 round trip with a before sunrise return.

Of course I watched the race recaps on Miami TV each afternoon immediately following my viewing of "The Rockford Files" and "Hogan's Heroes."

And I had lots of time for my share of women. Since I barely worked, I found a couple of especially good ladies who loved to fish, and I would take them for cheap night trips to fish the Gulfstream for kingfish, or the reefs of Key Largo for red snapper and yellow tail. I always ate what I caught......

In retrospect, I guess I might have wasted that year, or so.

Not!

:-)

TheSpyder 05-16-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
if you must.find 2 prime plays of the day. if you make money.shut it down. play the next time you have a few prime plays..be happy with any forward movement of your bankroll.dont think im hot.. just be happy with your return.. this is the way you can build a bankroll and not get busted.betting action bets on a bad track..ie mountianer ect will kill you

This is the first time I've seen this is writing but you are so right. I don't know how many times I've had some big hits and followed it with long dry spells as I think " I'm Hot". That old saying of playing with house money is one of the biggest lies that makes a fool of me.

Very good point made here!

Bigsmc 05-16-2009 07:49 AM

$2k to win on Big Drama.

rontheman1964 05-16-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
$2k to win on Big Drama.


Well, that would solve his dilemma one way or the other....:D

RollerDoc 05-16-2009 11:41 AM

You really should not consider this. There may be some attractive odds on different horses out there but the bottom line is NONE of those odds are in your favor to be successful in the scenario you described.

Despite a tough economy, and challenging job market, there is still always room for talented employees. It's out there for you, just go find it.

hockey2315 05-16-2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
You really should not consider this. There may be some attractive odds on different horses out there but the bottom line is NONE of those odds are in your favor to be successful in the scenario you described.

Despite a tough economy, and challenging job market, there is still always room for talented employees. It's out there for you, just go find it.

Don't you only bet like 4 times a year? Maybe not the best source of advice. . .

RollerDoc 05-16-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Don't you only bet like 4 times a year? Maybe not the best source of advice. . .

Regardless....in this case it is sound advice.

westcoastinvader 05-16-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Regardless....in this case it is sound advice.

Baloney!


Drink, gamble and chase women, Curt!

Listen to some good music, and maybe buy some more music along the way.

I'm not prescribing or recommending anything I haven't done before.

Any other pursuits besides drinking, gambling, listening to music and/or chasing women will just be a waste of time.


Go for the glory while you've got the time, opportunity and motive.

Those stars don't align often in the lifetime of most.

Take a taste, and chew it well.

If it doesn't work out, just say "f-it" and come back again with a new plan.

At least you will always be able to say you had the nads to take the chance.

westcoastinvader 05-16-2009 11:56 PM

To bring it back to current relevance, I wish I would have chased the girl in The Preakness today.

I didn't cash a ticket.

No problem. I'm gonna watch my recording of the telecast in a few and enjoy it well.

Maybe in a few...and more.....I'll re-tell the story of today's Preakness as if I cashed BIG on Rachel Alexander....

:-)

westcoastinvader 05-18-2009 01:56 AM

This board is wearing thin.

Narcissists, many who post here, happen to be.

Myself not included, of course.

:-)


Seriously, the lame arse "tit for tat" that is a regular occurrence on most threads here day to day is becoming a huge reason not to even bother visiting here.

But perhaps....that's just my opinion.

2Hot4TV 05-18-2009 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader
This board is wearing thin.

Narcissists, many who post here, happen to be.

Myself not included, of course.

:-)


Seriously, the lame arse "tit for tat" that is a regular occurrence on most threads here day to day is becoming a huge reason not to even bother visiting here.

But perhaps....that's just my opinion.

It's bee that way for a long while.


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