The horse was off because of an injury, and lugged in badly in today's race. I'd say he's more likely to go backward off this race than move forward, especially with a short two-week turnaround and a likely hard dirt track at Churchill.

The horse has major talent. If I own him, I take a shot.

The mother of Square Eddie was a multiple stakes placed turf horse - but she ran twice on dirt and could not stand up on dirt.

She was beaten 16 lengths with a 36 Beyer at Ellis Park the first time she tried dirt. The other time she tried dirt she was beaten 22 1/2 lengths at the Fairgrounds.

He started his career in Europe and has never raced on dirt before. Even if he was 100% ... he's a terrible syn-to-dirt projection on pedigree.

And let's say he wins the KD . Off to Pimlico 2 weeks later ? It's not making any sense to run him in the Derby.

You think he should skip the Derby because he might win and that would force a Preakness try 2 weeks later?

Brilliant...

Everything is relative.

Ask him about Golden Missile.

Is Sumitas the one with Golden Missile wood?

It's easy to say no go on a message board, but if you owned the horse, you're going. I would go, and I would be excited about my horse who put in a nifty wide run in his prep.

Put it this way -- he's better than a few of the horses who jumped in this week.

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Yeah - he's also been rushed back off of an actual injury.

maybe you would. i would not. it's not worth it to rush a horse if he's not ready. and you need to be ready, and have everything go pretty much the right way to make that race and do well in it. it's not the be all, end all of the racing world.

yeah, he has. lucky him, being bought by reddam. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying I agree with the move... but it's tough to not do it in their position. It's not like the horse didn't finish today.

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I particularly enjoyed the ISO view of Prado's ride on Square Eddie where it became even clearer that he pushed the button far too soon. He had to have felt like a fool afterwards, especially knowing what he had under him.

You can't help but think he was rushed back, he was completely empty after the far turn move today and is now going to come back in two weeks against 19 horses on a foreign surface at a distance that's a furlong and a half farther than anything he's run before? I'd need a hell of a lot more than the 20-1 he's going to be to even ponder it.

NT

he'd win a beauty contest...as for the derby, i'd go with dunkirk first.

I thought today that if Square Eddie wins, I lose.

On Derby Day, if Square Eddie finishes in the super, I'll lose.

Was that Prado? I was out of town for the day and when I watched the replay a few minutes ago I thought it was Ariel Smith riding.:rolleyes:

How do the connections keep from taking turns burying their BOOTS DEEP IN PRADO's ASS after a ride like that? The stewards really need to call that ****** in. Nothing like taking a horse coming back off an injury and PUNISHING it.

We also never named a horse "IMadetheCashCall" like that fool.

Square Eddie is a nice horse. Why ruin any potential he may have left by running him in the Derby?

There is a massive long list of horses who fall under this umbrella.

I don't think he's a good bet, I would never bet him in a million years. But I certainly don't blame them for going, and I'm definitely not surprised.

That's my point folks . Now you get it .

My thoughts exactly. And when he broke slow why settle him into stride 5 WIDE on the first turn. Advice was settled in from outside SE and taken to the fence!

yea, I was worried at first because Advice broke too well and I wanted him to get over to the rail.
And Square Eddie broke so relaxed, he just broke perfectly if Edgar had wanted to get a spot inside, and it was frustrating seeing Advice have to wait to go around Square Eddie and lose a little ground. With the premature move it turned out to be the perfect trip,
thanks Praduh.

That's a question many jocks need to answer. I can understand getting caught wide on the 1st turn if the horse is a need-to-lead type. But why do I repeatedly see horses that are at the end of the pack taking turns 5 and 6 wide?

In this case, Square Eddie ran 50 feet more than the winner and 33 feet more than the runner up. That would be 5 3/4 and 3 3/4 LENGTHS MORE.

The only two horses in the race to cover more ground than SQ (54 ft and 62 ft)
finished 8th and 10th and neither was ever a threat in the race.

I thought it was a nice 'prep' for Square Eddie, prep being the operative word, he looked healthy enough yesterday and no doubt needed a race.

What's the line.....those that don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them in the future.

I certainly hope, for his sake, that "fat man" doesn't like Dunkirk in the Derby, since it looks like Prado is going to get that call.

You have got to be ****in' kidding me.

I just have to assume that Pletcher (was on and is now) off his meds.:rolleyes:

How do you come up with this assessment? Anything remotely approaching a decent trip, anything near what the top 2 in the race got, and SQ gallops.

Name a horse that would've won under those conditions.

If you can't readily think of one, then maybe SQ was fit and didn't need the race. He just got abused by the trip.

SQ was short the way Bernardini was short in the BC.

I guess Arazi should have won the Derby.. Square Eddie made a nice move he isnt that good

It's an educated assumption, he made a big move and then flattened out, if he was 100% tight he would have won the race despite the trip which in no way am I disputing. They probably left something in the tank so he can still peak for the Derby, it doesn't make any sense to squeeze the stone dry to win the Lexington when he had enough earnings already. O'Neill's too sharp to do that.

Prado's ride on Square Eddie was absurdly bad.

It will be very unfortunate if this horse runs in the KY Derby.

That ride by Prado was as bad as it gets, but one positive for Square Eddie for the derby is that he won't have Prado weighting him down.

what did you think of the ride on santa teresita? i was wondering how long the jock was going to try to force her thru on the rail before he finally realized it wasn't going to happen.