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Antitrust32

04-08-2009 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

We are more than three weeks out... if this was the week before it's a different story, but luckily they had time to address the situation and all seems better now.

you sound like Dutrow last year a couple weeks before the Belmont!

SCUDSBROTHER

04-08-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I can only remember one.....but my memory doesn't go back more than a year.

Don't remember BB refusing to put full weight on it in April, but I might of missed it.

SCUDSBROTHER

04-08-2009 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you sound like Dutrow last year a couple weeks before the Belmont!

Is it all that different? Same miracle worker in charge of the patch.

Antitrust32

04-08-2009 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Don't remember BB refusing to put full weight on it in April, but I might of missed it.

you didnt miss anything...

Antitrust32

04-08-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Is it all that different? Same miracle worker in charge of the patch.

well the quarter crack may not be as bad... but missing training time and having that soreness... we'll see... but if he runs I'd use him at your own risk! (I wont be using him now and am prepared to eat crow)

SCUDSBROTHER

04-08-2009 03:45 PM

If he runs, it means they will have to have a more fair track than the Gulf was. Churchill won't provide the sheet rock ( they don't want QR breaking down on National T.V.)

Antitrust32

04-08-2009 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If he runs, it means they will have to have a more fair track than the Gulf was. Churchill won't provide the sheet rock ( they don't want QR breaking down on National T.V.)

you would hope that they would do that anyway.... I mean after the big breakdowns there (8 bells, pine island).

But I wouldnt expect Churchill to actually learn anything from those experiences.

gales0678

04-08-2009 04:24 PM

he's now behind , he should have worked today

gales0678

04-08-2009 04:34 PM

should have a work in 10 days after the last race, he's behind schedule plain and simple

i am not against the horse , i am not against the tranier or the owner

but maybe chuck can come on and talk about , he needed a work by now to stay on schedule to go 10 f

Thunder Gulch

04-08-2009 04:43 PM

They planned to work him twice before the Derby, so as long as he gets those two works in and regular gallops, I don't see where he's that short.

I don't know what I'll do with him. He was going to be my pick, but I will really have to be convinced that all is well. If I leave off and he wins, I'll never forget it. On the other hand if I bet him and he flops, that will feel just as bad. Everyone remembers Big Brown's dismal effort, but I also remember well when Touch Gold ended Silver Charm's Triple Crown bid.

gales0678

04-08-2009 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're a trainer now? I give up.

:wf

no i am not a trainer

you already know that

but the horse is behind , ask any of the trainers on here , this is common fact

beyer , andy , crist can analyse all the numbers from know until the cows come home and they are all very good at it , but , as far as preperation for a 10f race the horse is behind , the numbers are the numbers, but they don't tell the whole story

Travis Stone

04-08-2009 04:57 PM

Thank God I'm not behind in my taxes this year.

gales0678

04-08-2009 05:10 PM

i'm never right about anything here because you drink the kool-aid that others around here provide and you will never give me an objective look

Travis Stone

04-08-2009 05:10 PM

I hope Jimmy Jerkens isn't reading this forum and decides to pull-back as per Gales request and input.

gales0678

04-08-2009 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know you didn't type this with a straight face. But, just for the sake of clarity, who's Kool Aid do I drink that prevents me from giving you an objective look?

Hoss you are a smart guy go back and look at some of my posts and see who responds to me on certain topics , sometimes you are not far behind with a comment of your own after you have had a sip of the kool aid

(some of these topics may already have been taking down by the mods though)

2Hot4TV

04-08-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What are you talking about? What does any of this have to do with Beyer, Andy or Crist? Change the record already. I find it comical that you seem to think YOU know how to get a horse ready for the Derby. Especially considering I've never really seen you be right about anything. So why should this be any different? Common fact? You can't seperate heresay from fact.

If the plan was for 2 works before the Derby, and he works Friday or Saturday like was reported, that means it's 3 full weeks until the race. How is that behind? If he quarter crack doesn't allow him to make the Derby, well it is what it is. But he won't not run in the race because he worked Friday and not Wednesday like you think he should have.

Shut Up.

2Hot4TV

04-08-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

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Thank you.

We all know what toll a triple crown run can take on a top quailty young horse when they are 100% , and when they run a ouchy horse in the Derby it just seems to take it out of them. Next stop is down the latter to find the winners circle.

Cannon Shell

04-08-2009 06:37 PM

Jimmy Jerkens father once told me that just because you have a plan, that doesnt mean its the right one...

philcski

04-08-2009 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Jimmy Jerkens father once told me that just because you have a plan, that doesnt mean its the right one...

Well what the f.uck does that guy know?

NTamm1215

04-08-2009 06:38 PM

I love how many trainers and vets have come out of the woodwork on this board since an article was run about Quality Road having a quarter crack.

A quarter crack like any other affliction had by a horse, goat, human, or mouse, is specific to that being. Some are bad, some are not so bad. It's all situational.

One thing can be certain and that's that James Jerkens is not going to run his horse unless he's 100% and he has the best hoof guy working on him. That all seems pretty simple.

NT

NTamm1215

04-08-2009 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I read that quickly and thought that you were stating that humans get quarter cracks.

I did step on a lit cigarette one time and my hoof looked as bad as Big Brown's did last year.

NT

Travis Stone

04-08-2009 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I did step on a lit cigarette one time and my hoof looked as bad as Big Brown's did last year.

NT

Yet you were still faster than him on foot.

chucklestheclown

04-08-2009 10:46 PM

I hope the once a year bettors jump on this and increase his odds. If he runs he's a shoe-in (no pun intended) for the super. There is a Derby super, I hope.

gales0678

04-09-2009 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I hope Jimmy Jerkens isn't reading this forum and decides to pull-back as per Gales request and input.

i'm sure he's not

i doubt he knows this site even exists

we will see in a few weeks what happens

i hope the horse runs , his connections are good for the game

i just put out an opinion that i don't think he will go because it will be very hard to have him at 100% for a 10f race , i could be right , i could be wrong time will tell , what do you think will he be in the starting gate ?

slotdirt

04-09-2009 08:14 AM

Jimmy Jerkens never struck me as the internet-savvy type.

philcski

04-09-2009 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

i'm sure he's not

i doubt he knows this site even exists

we will see in a few weeks what happens

i hope the horse runs , his connections are good for the game

i just put out an opinion that i don't think he will go because it will be very hard to have him at 100% for a 10f race , i could be right , i could be wrong time will tell , what do you think will he be in the starting gate ?

actually i'd guess he does, since one of his good friends trains the horses for the website's stable.

agreed, his connections are good for the game- he's a good trainer and evans is a good owner, and the horse is phenomenal. i think he'll run, and run well.

slotdirt

04-09-2009 08:33 AM

Evans wins the Virginia T-bred Association's breeder of the year award almost every single year. I'm sure kev even stalks him on occasion.

gales0678

04-09-2009 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

And I disagreed with you because you said your opinion was a common fact. It was plain and simple as you said. My point is, in a game like this, things change almost daily, as you know. It's like when a horse is supposed to work on a Wednesday and due to weather the work has to be pushed back a day or two. Do you have any idea how often that happens?

I personally think he will be in the gate on May 2nd, because I am of the opinion the quarter crack isn't as bad as it was originally made out to be.

fair eneough Da Hoss we both have different opinions that is what the game is about

my opinion was formed based on a known fact (the crack) - one of us is going to be wrong , i hope it's me , the trainer and owner and all other involved i hope they get there

Sightseek

04-09-2009 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I thought Kev was biased towards overrated sons of Smart Strike?

OOOOOO!

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