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freddymo 04-03-2009 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
"We keep our barren mares on the light side," Paragallo told the Paulick Report. "They’re out in big fields, about 80 acres. We used to give them big round bales, but you can’t get those in New York anymore, so we feed the equivalent of half a regular bale to each horse per day; the horses are getting between 22 1/2 and 25 pounds per day. Some of those horses might get their ass kicked and are a little skinnier. We don’t check them every day.




but i'm betting he gets three squares a day.

I doubt he purposely did any of this its fricken horse food

Danzig 04-03-2009 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I doubt he purposely did any of this its fricken horse food


i think he purposely turned away from what he knew full well was going on. but if you want to attempt a defense of the indefensible, go for it.

Danzig 04-03-2009 06:41 PM

That doesn’t jibe with what Richard Baiardi told the Paulick Report. Baiardi, who transports and re-sells horses across the United States, said he had talked with Paragallo about taking the horses but that he picked them up at Center Brook Farm much later than December. “I don’t have the exact date,” he told the Paulick Report as he was driving his van through North Dakota on Friday. “But I can tell you one thing: it wasn’t in December. You can call the horse sale and find out what day they arrived, and that’s the day I picked them up.” Baiardi said he has van logs and other documentation to account for the date he picked the horses up at Center Brook.

When asked later about the discrepancy in dates, Paragallo hedged, saying he couldn’t be certain the horses left his farm in December.


“This kind of neglect doesn’t happen overnight, or in three weeks or even two months. The vet reports shouldn’t have been as bad as they were."

freddymo 04-03-2009 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think he purposely turned away from what he knew full well was going on. but if you want to attempt a defense of the indefensible, go for it.

Trust me for 20K a year you can feed 60 horses..Sure they won't be looking like a pletcher at SPA in august but they will be fine.. Ernie can afford 20k

Danzig 04-03-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Trust me for 20K a year you can feed 60 horses..Sure they won't be looking like a pletcher at SPA in august but they will be fine.. Ernie can afford 20k


the descriptions of the horses in the paulick report, posted above, doesn't describe the horses as being 'fine'. walking skeletons, lice infested. two died that morning...yeah, the picture of health. :rolleyes:

freddymo 04-03-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
the descriptions of the horses in the paulick report, posted above, doesn't describe the horses as being 'fine'. walking skeletons, lice infested. two died that morning...yeah, the picture of health. :rolleyes:

Maybe we should send Cannon Shell to Ernie? Seriously Ernie had no clue it could never be worth the 20k he saved..

Danzig 04-03-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Maybe we should send Cannon Shell to Ernie? Seriously Ernie had no clue it could never be worth the 20k he saved..


a new low.

freddymo 04-03-2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
a new low.

I get much worse..

Danzig 04-03-2009 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I get much worse..


that doesn't surprise me at all. anyone who would come on here and defend starving and selling horses to a kill pen could certainly stoop pretty low i'm sure.

freddymo 04-03-2009 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
that doesn't surprise me at all. anyone who would come on here and defend starving and selling horses to a kill pen could certainly stoop pretty low i'm sure.

Danzig there is zero chance EP had ANY clue.. If you wish to argue that he should have been more diligent with knowning axactly where his stock was going fine..if you think for a second he thought his stock which he raised raced bred and care for was in squallor you are completely dilussional.. The guy is wealthy clearly the money is completely insiginficant.. he f'd up by not paying closer attention trust me it was completely unintentional!!!

Danzig 04-03-2009 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Danzig there is zero chance EP had ANY clue.. If you wish to argue that he should have been more diligent with knowning axactly where his stock was going fine..if you think for a second he thought his stock which he raised raced bred and care for was in squallor you are completely dilussional.. The guy is wealthy clearly the money is completely insiginficant.. he f'd up by not paying closer attention trust me it was completely unintentional!!!

which makes the fact that these horses were starved that much more reprehensible in my opinion. he's the owner, he's responsible- it's that simple. and i'm far from delusional. the horses were in rotten condition when the driver went to get them, according to the story two were already dead. the dates don't add up, no name for some supposed farm, no number. it's a bs story. paragallo crawfishing on the dates....gimme a break.
and for you to joke that maybe it's a great weight loss system, that's just sick.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-03-2009 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
he should have been more diligent with knowning axactly where his stock was going

knowning axactly?

Did 10 Point Move Up steal your login?

paisjpq 04-03-2009 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
knowning axactly?

Did 10 Point Move Up steal your login?


sapphire maybe?

freddymo 04-03-2009 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
sapphire maybe?


I love Saphire with a side of vikes

SCUDSBROTHER 04-03-2009 08:09 PM

He says it was a home run for his business (to get rid of these horses.) Wouldn't you remember the name of the guy who was doing you a big favor?

Cannon Shell 04-03-2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Trust me for 20K a year you can feed 60 horses..Sure they won't be looking like a pletcher at SPA in august but they will be fine.. Ernie can afford 20k

20k would feed 60 horses for a month. Maybe...

freddymo 04-03-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
20k would feed 60 horses for a month. Maybe...

Chuck 30 dollars a day to feed a horse........... revisit please

freddymo 04-03-2009 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
Can we get ten people on here to donate ten bucks each.... if so I'll match the $100 donation with a $100 donation of my own... If Steve wants to collect/receive the funds we could make it a donation from the "Derby Trail Gang"

http://www.ac4h.com/TBHelpNeeded.htm

I behalf of GMbob and myself I contribute a 1000.00 ..........Bob see you in court..LOL

Cannon Shell 04-03-2009 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Chuck 30 dollars a day to feed a horse........... revisit please

horses eat a lot...Your right, it is about $20 a day. Horses eat a lot and hay is outrageously expensive especially in NY

freddymo 04-03-2009 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
horses eat a lot...Your right, it is about $20 a day. Horses eat a lot and hay is outrageously expensive especially in NY

20 a day is prefection 10 a day is likely...thats 600 a month 7200 a year its a fn joke money wise

Rudeboyelvis 04-03-2009 08:50 PM

They might be yummy.

I don't know, but people in Belgium don't seem to have the same problem we have with it.

Not the starving, lice ridden, tortured part of it - that's completely inexcusable.


But if well cared for, properly fed, then humanely processed -like every other livestock that is packaged in neat little stryofoam containers that none of us give a moments thought to when flung onto the grill...

jus' sayin - don't hate

Handicappy 04-03-2009 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
horses eat a lot...Your right, it is about $20 a day. Horses eat a lot and hay is outrageously expensive especially in NY

It doesn't cost that much if you own the farm!

freddymo 04-03-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
Using your number of $10 a day...
$10 a day x 60 horses equals $600 a day
$600 x 30 days in a month = $18000

you can feed a horse for less then 300 a month

Cannon Shell 04-03-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
20 a day is prefection 10 a day is likely...thats 600 a month 7200 a year its a fn joke money wise

per horse

Cannon Shell 04-03-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy
It doesn't cost that much if you own the farm!

Why? You cant grow hay in the winter in NY and there is no discount for feed for farm owners

freddymo 04-03-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
per horse

You cant tell me that a horse cant live on 10 dollars a day of food?

Cannon Shell 04-03-2009 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
you can feed a horse for less then 300 a month

Obviously you can as shown by the pictures.

Cannon Shell 04-03-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
You cant tell me that a horse cant live on 10 dollars a day of food?

tell that to the feed man. How much do you think we pay for a bag of feed? How much do you think hay costs? Do you know how much a horses eats a day?
At the track with supplements it is around $27 a day. w/o supplements around $22. Hay prices have been through the roof. Last year in November in KY they were selling big bales of hay for $24 per.

freddymo 04-03-2009 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
tell that to the feed man. How much do you think we pay for a bag of feed? How much do you think hay costs? Do you know how much a horses eats a day?
At the track with supplements it is around $27 a day. w/o supplements around $22. Hay prices have been through the roof. Last year in November in KY they were selling big bales of hay for $24 per.

NOT THRIVE cHUCK LIVE AND BE FAIRLY HEALTHY.. Plus they dont have to eat a bale plus a day

Cannon Shell 04-03-2009 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
NOT THRIVE cHUCK LIVE AND BE FAIRLY HEALTHY.. Plus they dont have to eat a bale plus a day

Ok, Woody Stephens

SCUDSBROTHER 04-03-2009 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
NOT THRIVE cHUCK

LOL

outofthebox 04-03-2009 09:33 PM

The hay was @ 24 for the three wire at Belmont this winter. Right now at Finger Lakes the local feed stores are selling at 5.50 for first cutting. If your lucky and know the local farmers you can get it cheaper, or even attend a local auction. Either way it's much more expensive than in recent years. Last time i was at the farm there were @ 300 mouths to feed..Do the math...

freddymo 04-03-2009 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Ok, Woody Stephens

chuck the Belmont isn't the worst race to win

freddymo 04-03-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox
The hay was @ 24 for the three wire at Belmont this winter. Right now at Finger Lakes the local feed stores are selling at 5.50 for first cutting. If your lucky and know the local farmers you can get it cheaper, or even attend a local auction. Either way it's much more expensive than in recent years. Last time i was at the farm there were @ 300 mouths to feed..Do the math...

I paid 35 a day for first class care with some training for Drug'S pig 2 year old in training I purchased at OBS JUNE.. I figure I will be eating this gelding beforew he runs a lick..

freddymo 04-03-2009 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox
The hay was @ 24 for the three wire at Belmont this winter. Right now at Finger Lakes the local feed stores are selling at 5.50 for first cutting. If your lucky and know the local farmers you can get it cheaper, or even attend a local auction. Either way it's much more expensive than in recent years. Last time i was at the farm there were @ 300 mouths to feed..Do the math...

there barren mares they need to eat... doesnt have to be 1st cutting

The Indomitable DrugS 04-03-2009 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I paid 35 a day for first class care with some training for Drug'S pig 2 year old in training I purchased at OBS JUNE.. I figure I will be eating this gelding beforew he runs a lick..

Don't worry Freddy - those Cappuchino's are late developers.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-03-2009 09:42 PM

A lot of the horses racing at Mountaineer now are supposedly being fed at a cost of $180-to-$200 a month. That figure includes alfalfa, timothy, straw, and feed.

Cannon Shell 04-03-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
A lot of the horses racing at Mountaineer now are supposedly being fed at a cost of $180-to-$200 a month. That figure includes alfalfa, timothy, straw, and feed.

key word supposedly. Plus at the track you can steal from your neighbors. harder to do at the farm.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-03-2009 09:45 PM

That's what I've heard from trainers racing down there now.


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