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herkhorse 03-10-2009 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I'm 40 feet before the wire or so, often a tough angle, but you get used to it. I never go out on a limb though and say whether or not it was Jess Toast to Cash, AKG Longsideshot, Dashing Bye In First or Rocking Rocky Dash during the Q's.
calling a Q race can't be easy, no matter what the names are

ateamstupid 03-10-2009 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Oh yeah. I forgot that one. I forgot that nobody is allowed to make a mistake. You have to call over 1000 races a year and you better not make a mistake. I would love to hear all of those that criticize him try to do it once. Then if they get through that one race, let's see how they handle a full card. Not one of those cards with four and five horse fields but full ones. With jockeys wearing the silks of owners that they aren't all that familiar with. It's not as easy as people seem to think it is. I think that's part of why you never see the announcers that are on here criticizing any others. Because they know how hard it is. I bet most of you that criticize them couldn't do it even if you were watching a replay and knew the results already.
It's the freaking Breeders' Cup and he misidentifies a 10-length winner until the horse is draped in flowers. I know how difficult it is to call a race, but that's pretty inexcusable for a guy who's supposed to be the best. Then he completely fails to mention the breakdown of Pine Island during the Distaff. And I don't want to hear the nonsense about how he didn't want to upset the fans. He had no idea that it happened.

King Glorious 03-10-2009 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's the freaking Breeders' Cup and he misidentifies a 10-length winner until the horse is draped in flowers. Pretty inexcusable for a guy who's supposed to be the best. Then he completely fails to mention the breakdown of Pine Island during the Distaff. And I don't want to hear the nonsense about how he didn't want to upset the fans. He had no idea that it happened.
I'm not making excuses. Those were both big mistakes on his part. I'd imagine that it's possible that just like a lot of human beings, he recognized the stage he was on and the pressure he was under and perhaps didn't handle it as well as he'd have liked. I love the guy but I too was disappointed in those calls that year. I thought he did a much better job this year and I have every confidence that he'd continue to improve.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-10-2009 05:32 PM
Dominguez pumped his fist right after the wire as well. About as much emotion as I've ever seen from him.

I couldn't tell if Gio Ponti won when they showed the finish in slow motion - but Denman called him, Dominguez was certain he had won, and the camera guy was showing him and not Ventura ...

It really seemed like they were all just setting me up for another meltdown when they would inevitably put Ventura's number up. The part delmation part something else mutt that I got from the pound gets spooked out and starts to cry when I melt ... like I'm blaming him for it or something.

Indian Charlie 03-10-2009 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Dominguez pumped his fist right after the wire as well. About as much emotion as I've ever seen from him.

I couldn't tell if Gio Ponti won when they showed the finish in slow motion - but Denman called him, Dominguez was certain he had won, and the camera guy was showing him and not Ventura ...

It really seemed like they were all just setting me up for another meltdown when they would inevitably put Ventura's number up. The part delmation part something else mutt that I got from the pound gets spooked out and starts to cry when I melt ... like I'm blaming him for it or something.
You got a pet?

I'm calling the SPCA.

NTamm1215 03-10-2009 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Oh yeah. I forgot that one. I forgot that nobody is allowed to make a mistake. You have to call over 1000 races a year and you better not make a mistake. I would love to hear all of those that criticize him try to do it once. Then if they get through that one race, let's see how they handle a full card. Not one of those cards with four and five horse fields but full ones. With jockeys wearing the silks of owners that they aren't all that familiar with. It's not as easy as people seem to think it is. I think that's part of why you never see the announcers that are on here criticizing any others. Because they know how hard it is. I bet most of you that criticize them couldn't do it even if you were watching a replay and knew the results already.
Nope. That's a blunder of epic proportions. Like Webber, Buckner, and Leon Lett proportions. And making excuses for him not knowing the silks? He had MONTHS leading up to the BC to memorize unfamiliar silks. Come on, that's the man's job.

I also find the "you shouldn't comment because you couldn't do it better" defense when discussing announcers, jockeys, or trainers particularly idiotic. Did I say anything about being better at it? No, I simply offered my opinion regarding the topic. You don't like it? Cool, no problem, it certainly isn't the first time you and I have disagreed. I doubt it will be the last also.

NT

King Glorious 03-10-2009 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Nope. That's a blunder of epic proportions. Like Webber, Buckner, and Leon Lett proportions. And making excuses for him not knowing the silks? He had MONTHS leading up to the BC to memorize unfamiliar silks. Come on, that's the man's job.

I also find the "you shouldn't comment because you couldn't do it better" defense when discussing announcers, jockeys, or trainers particularly idiotic. Did I say anything about being better at it? No, I simply offered my opinion regarding the topic. You don't like it? Cool, no problem, it certainly isn't the first time you and I have disagreed. I doubt it will be the last also.

NT
I don't believe that I said if you can't do it better that you shouldn't comment.

ateamstupid 03-10-2009 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't believe that I said if you can't do it better that you shouldn't comment.
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I would love to hear all of those that criticize him try to do it once. Then if they get through that one race, let's see how they handle a full card. Not one of those cards with four and five horse fields but full ones. With jockeys wearing the silks of owners that they aren't all that familiar with. It's not as easy as people seem to think it is. I think that's part of why you never see the announcers that are on here criticizing any others. Because they know how hard it is.
That's pretty similar to saying we shouldn't comment. It's suggesting that we're out of line by criticizing him since we're not racecallers.

King Glorious 03-10-2009 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
That's pretty similar to saying we shouldn't comment. It's suggesting that we're out of line by criticizing him since we're not racecallers.
I don't think so. You're talking to a guy that constantly second guesses and criticizes trainers and owners for decisions they make. Comment all you want. Just seems that some think it's so easy and mistakes can't be made and I think that's unrealistic. To take a guy that's calling over 1000 races a year for over 20 years and harp on his mistakes and say "he's no good because he made this mistake", that seems like a bit much to me. Like I said, I love the guy. Think he's the best in the business but even I criticized his blown call on Street Sense. That was horrible. I've heard him make other horrible calls over the years too. But they don't overshadow what I think have been many, many brilliant ones.

ateamstupid 03-10-2009 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't think so. You're talking to a guy that constantly second guesses and criticizes trainers and owners for decisions they make. Comment all you want. Just seems that some think it's so easy and mistakes can't be made and I think that's unrealistic. To take a guy that's calling over 1000 races a year for over 20 years and harp on his mistakes and say "he's no good because he made this mistake", that seems like a bit much to me. Like I said, I love the guy. Think he's the best in the business but even I criticized his blown call on Street Sense. That was horrible. I've heard him make other horrible calls over the years too. But they don't overshadow what I think have been many, many brilliant ones.
I didn't see anyone say he's no good. He's obviously competent. I just think he's really overrated.

Cannon Shell 03-10-2009 09:43 PM
He's no Grunder

Danzig 03-10-2009 10:47 PM
i don't care for denman, but would rather listen to him than battaglia.
out of the callers lately, i think fairgrounds has the best one. not oaklawns for sure! terry wallace seems to bungle a lot of names.

herkhorse 03-10-2009 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i don't care for denman, but would rather listen to him than battaglia.
out of the callers lately, i think fairgrounds has the best one. not oaklawns for sure! terry wallace seems to bungle a lot of names.
Terry Wallace seems like a nice guy and all, but I will be glad when he retires.

ateamstupid 03-10-2009 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i don't care for denman, but would rather listen to him than battaglia.
out of the callers lately, i think fairgrounds has the best one. not oaklawns for sure! terry wallace seems to bungle a lot of names.
I'd rather listen to Fran Drescher on a megaphone than Battaglia. He's unbearable.

eajinabi 03-10-2009 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
now if he would only have the ballocks to call out fractions.
He is the only announcer I figure who doesnt call fractions but he will give a sense of how fast or slow the race is going.

Indian Charlie 03-10-2009 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I'd rather listen to Fran Drescher on a megaphone than Battaglia. He's unbearable.
omg.

that's going to give me nitemares for 3 days.

letswastemoney 03-11-2009 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
He is the only announcer I figure who doesnt call fractions but he will give a sense of how fast or slow the race is going.
Most of us watch on a tv screen, so the fractions aren't that important unless you are there at Santa Anita looking at the race in person. But otherwise, we can all read what it says on the upper right or left hand corner.

TitanSooner 03-11-2009 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Most of us watch on a tv screen, so the fractions aren't that important unless you are there at Santa Anita looking at the race in person. But otherwise, we can all read what it says on the upper right or left hand corner.
please don't bring logic into this discussion

Scurlogue Champ 03-11-2009 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Left Bank
If you want to see/hear an announcer make good calls on the wire,tune in to Ed Burgart at Los Alamitos.He is almost better than shuttercam.
While you are tuning in to Los Al, watch the Australians in between. Those guys could call our races with one eye open and a hooker on each leg.

CSC 03-11-2009 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TitanSooner
please don't bring logic into this discussion
You beat me to it, nevertheless I follow Australian & Hong Kong races and their racecallers are really good, and they rarely announce the internal fractions, and it would be hard pressed to find better racecallers than theirs. If the pace is a quick one they will instead make an effort to let the audience know. To me annoucing fractions is totally optional, it doesn't enhance my experience one way or the other. What did we do before Keeneland hired an announcer...from what I understand Keeneland once didn't use announcers for their races.

CSC 03-11-2009 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Dominguez pumped his fist right after the wire as well. About as much emotion as I've ever seen from him.

I couldn't tell if Gio Ponti won when they showed the finish in slow motion - but Denman called him, Dominguez was certain he had won, and the camera guy was showing him and not Ventura ...

It really seemed like they were all just setting me up for another meltdown when they would inevitably put Ventura's number up. The part delmation part something else mutt that I got from the pound gets spooked out and starts to cry when I melt ... like I'm blaming him for it or something.
When you look at the replay when they crossed the wire, Gio Ponti's head was coming up at the wire, Ventura runs with a lower head and though her head was also coming up it wasn't as pronounced as GP's. That is why I thought Trevor might have gotten it wrong originally when he called GP at the wire, I had bet GP also and yeah I hear you in the back of my mind I thought this was some sort of sadistic April fools joke had Ventura's number been put up.

jinjin 03-11-2009 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's the freaking Breeders' Cup and he misidentifies a 10-length winner until the horse is draped in flowers. I know how difficult it is to call a race, but that's pretty inexcusable for a guy who's supposed to be the best. Then he completely fails to mention the breakdown of Pine Island during the Distaff. And I don't want to hear the nonsense about how he didn't want to upset the fans. He had no idea that it happened.
I totally agree... I miss Tom Durkin's Breeders Cup calls and even though he's been messing up some names now and again, Denman is not a favorite of mine. It's annoying how many times he uses the "they would need to sprout wings to catch him" phrase. His Breeders cup calls are awful, although he used to be very good on the after race commentary on the nbc telecasts...

King Glorious 03-11-2009 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Most of us watch on a tv screen, so the fractions aren't that important unless you are there at Santa Anita looking at the race in person. But otherwise, we can all read what it says on the upper right or left hand corner.
That's the way I feel too. And the way it used to be, if you were at the track watching the race in person, it was enough people and noise there that you couldn't hear his call anyway. I'd just take a quick glance at the toteboard to see the fractions if I was interested.

NTamm1215 03-11-2009 09:15 AM
Whether he calls the fractions or not means nothing to me but he often makes assumptions regarding the pace, as the fat man said, and he's dead wrong. If you're not going to call the fractions, that's cool, but be careful making comments if you don't really know how quick they are (not) going.

NT

Left Bank 03-11-2009 11:14 AM
You Guys are Brutal!!:eek:

Danzig 03-11-2009 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Most of us watch on a tv screen, so the fractions aren't that important unless you are there at Santa Anita looking at the race in person. But otherwise, we can all read what it says on the upper right or left hand corner.

i just want to watch the race-i can see what's happening for the most part, and would rather he tell me what i can't see by looking at the horses. i may be in the minority, but i like hearing it and have gotten used to every caller telling me the times so i haven't got to turn attention away from the action.

Danzig 03-11-2009 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TitanSooner
please don't bring logic into this discussion
it has to do with preference, personal taste. if you don't like liver, do you try to get logical with yourself about it? or do you just not eat liver?


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