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timmgirvan 02-20-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I was joking about the rocket launcher... eventhough they are pretty cool.

Get like 3 pitbulls and a handgun. Nobody would dare come at you.

the food for them would be more expensive than ammo!...and ammo don't Bark!

Antitrust32 02-20-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
...and we see how well Britain is doing with a weaponless force....they run from the Muslim gangs. Tsk..Tsk


LOL I gave the FBI and SWAT an exception. they are the ones who should be finding those terrorists.


I really dont know if the regular Pigs use assault weapons to be honest. The probably dont. I just felt like talkin smack about the Po Po's.

Antitrust32 02-20-2009 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
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They do in big cities where the bad guys have them ie the LA bank robbers wearing body armour. Not saying every cop or car needs them but they should be available for that needed occassion. First time I ever saw cops with fully auto rifles was vegas airport. Then Belmont Gold Cup Day and again Belmont (Belmont Day) then the LI RR so seems pretty common place in the big apple. Very intimidating!!


They sure love intimidating people!!!

Antitrust32 02-20-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
the food for them would be more expensive than ammo!...and ammo don't Bark!


yeah but the barking is what keeps the criminals away. Nobody wants to mess with a pack of pits!!

I have a boxer/bulldog mix. He's 65 pounds, black as night (nobody can see him in the dark or shadows)... with a HUGE head and a HUGE mouth with HUGE teeth!! He has the most vicious sounding growl.. sounds like a jackal from the Omen.

Unfortunatly he doesnt bark unless I give him a signal.. or he wants to play. And hes a huge baby... if someone tried to rob me he'd help them.
But if someone tried to hurt me he'd kill them.

He's intimidating enough that I wouldnt be afraid to walk in the hood alone with him by my side. (not that i'm afraid of doing that anyway)

timmgirvan 02-20-2009 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
yeah but the barking is what keeps the criminals away. Nobody wants to mess with a pack of pits!!

I have a boxer/bulldog mix. He's 65 pounds, black as night (nobody can see him in the dark or shadows)... with a HUGE head and a HUGE mouth with HUGE teeth!! He has the most vicious sounding growl.. sounds like a jackal from the Omen.

Unfortunatly he doesnt bark unless I give him a signal.. or he wants to play. And hes a huge baby... if someone tried to rob me he'd help them.
But if someone tried to hurt me he'd kill them.

He's intimidating enough that I wouldnt be afraid to walk in the hood alone with him by my side. (not that i'm afraid of doing that anyway)

Love boxers and Shepherds(had ours die this week)! Timing is everything in defending yourself.

GBBob 02-20-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Realistically, I would want an assault weapon in defense against a "home invasion", and handguns as a last line of defense. Life(my familys) is precious
to me...if someone crosses that line....

Neighbors busy pounding For Sale sign in ground

Antitrust32 02-20-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Love boxers and Shepherds(had ours die this week)! Timing is everything in defending yourself.


I'm so sorry about the loss of your pet.

Shepherds are great guard dogs also. & rotties, dalmations, mastiff's (all big dogs with strong jaws!)

Cannon Shell 02-20-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Neighbors busy pounding For Sale sign in ground

Yeah the land mines and machine gun nest werent too popular in the neighborhood either

Danzig 02-20-2009 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
okay then....

What do you use an assault rifle for besides kill people? You sure as heck dont go hunting with one?

Nobody should have them but the military.

And fucl< the police!!! They cant even use tasers correctly... dont give them assault weapons!! In a lot of European countries cops dont even carry GUNS at all!!

FBI and SWAT are different.

i don't know why folks look at a gun and put it in either column a-hunting, or column b-killing humans. believe it or not, there are people who own and shoot guns for fun only. no ulterior motives. they go to the range, and shoot up targets. they enjoy collecting different weapons, and they go shoot targets with it. you know, kind of like guys who own a monster truck with tires 6 feet tall. they don't crush cars with it, didn't buy it for the mileage-but they got it because they wanted it.

Danzig 02-20-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
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They do in big cities where the bad guys have them ie the LA bank robbers wearing body armour. Not saying every cop or car needs them but they should be available for that needed occassion. First time I ever saw cops with fully auto rifles was vegas airport. Then Belmont Gold Cup Day and again Belmont (Belmont Day) then the LI RR so seems pretty common place in the big apple. Very intimidating!!

or a sniper with the right rifle.

Danzig 02-20-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
If Danzig's father was a typical cop, the most likely answer is zero.

you and one other are the only two to guess... and he got it right. it doesn't seem anyone else really wants to think about all that-or maybe my post was too long. a lot of folks want to suppose there are old west style gunfights going on in big cities every day, which if far from the truth. but, shootings get the headlines, so the perception is that it's a huge problem-when in fact, most folks have more to fear from the family dog than they do from a crook with a gun.

my dad cannot stand cop shows, he says they're all completely unrealistic. and bodies flying backwards from a shot from a .38, patently false.

GBBob 02-20-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Love boxers and Shepherds(had ours die this week)! Timing is everything in defending yourself.

Sorry about your dog Timmi..sucks

timmgirvan 02-20-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Sorry about your dog Timmi..sucks

Thanks.....sucks it does!

Payson Dave 02-21-2009 10:58 AM

While realizing that what is posted in this thread is not likely to change anyone's opinion on the issue of gun control and/or the right to bear arms.........I'd still like to ask a couple of rhetorical questions

If my pursuit of happiness does not infringe upon yours or anyone else's pursuit of happiness what business is it of yours??

If a ban of semi-automatic weapons is "necessary for the good of society" then why not ban V8 engines....why not ban sports cars....why not ban alcohol... why not ban tobacco...while we are at it, maybe we better ban prescription pain killers... how about all forms of gambling... do we really need gay sex?

Arguing what should or should not be legal based upon what is strictly necessary for the good of society may well be a slippery slope...

Banning anything that can be linked to criminal activity can also be a pretty slippery slope...

Perhaps the concepts of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" & "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", are not entirely bad concepts...

timmgirvan 02-21-2009 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah the land mines and machine gun nest werent too popular in the neighborhood either

sigh...or the moat!:)

SOREHOOF 02-21-2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Is this supposed to be some sort of an attempt at a logical argument, or is it just a bunch of nonsensical NRA bumper sticker slogans strung together in paragraph form?

No. It IS a logical argument. I'm not a member of the NRA, yet. I don't own an assault weapon,yet. I don't even own a hand gun,yet. I'm more concerned about my neighbor's 2 pit bulls running loose through my yard than his assault weapon. Danzig hit it on the head. It' about personal freedom. By the way I would have guessed 0 for your dad, but I've been away. I have a shotgun that may qualify as an assault weapon to people who know little or nothing about guns, such as politicians and anti-gun crusaders.

GBBob 02-21-2009 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
No. It IS a logical argument. I'm not a member of the NRA, yet. I don't own an assault weapon,yet. I don't even own a hand gun,yet. I'm more concerned about my neighbor's 2 pit bulls running loose through my yard than his assault weapon. Danzig hit it on the head. It' about personal freedom. By the way I would have guessed 0 for your dad, but I've been away. I have a shotgun that may qualify as an assault weapon to people who know little or nothing about guns, such as politicians and anti-gun crusaders.

This always gets me...Are you for smoking in public places, no seat belt laws and open intoxicants in cars?

When "personal freedoms" become a threat or expense to me, then they are no longer that....and what the NRA wants qualifies as that, to me.

And yes....your shotgun is not an assault weapon. But would you own one if given the opportunity?

Payson Dave 02-21-2009 03:13 PM

smoking in public places can affect others... drinking and driving can affect others.... law abiding citizens with no criminal background possessing a semi-automatic weapon does not affect others

GBBob 02-21-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
smoking in public places can affect others... drinking and driving can affect others.... law abiding citizens with no criminal background possessing a semi-automatic weapon does not affect others

Dave...until you shoot a round through your walls and kill me.

Or until I cut you off in traffic and you blow me away.

Why are semi automatics (and I know what they are) in the hands of anyone beside police and military?

http://www.iansa.org/campaigns_event...lShootings.pdf

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/...sconsin-boy-11

http://www.iansa.org/campaigns_event...lShootings.pdf

Payson Dave 02-21-2009 03:28 PM

If you are going to cut me off in traffic... you should be banned from operating a motor vehicle....I could get badly hurt or killed....in fact I'm probably a lot more likely to get hurt or killed by a careless driver than I am a careless firearms owner

and a revolver... a bolt action... a lever action... a pump....hell even a single shot weapon can be more dangerous in the wrong hands than a semi-automatic in the right hands

Payson Dave 02-21-2009 03:34 PM

Bob,.... are you saying that it would be okay for me to beat you to death with a baseball bat after you cut me off in traffic... or shoud we outlaw baseball bats because in the wrong hands they can be a deadly weapon

GBBob 02-21-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
Bob,.... are you saying that it would be okay for me to beat you to death with a baseball bat after you cut me off in traffic... or shoud we outlaw baseball bats because in the wrong hands they can be a deadly weapon

The amount of effort and follow through to beat someone to death with a baseball bat vs the adrenaline rush of one pull of a semi auto are two different things. And I don't think anyone ever accidently beat themselves, or another person to death with a baseball bat

Payson Dave 02-21-2009 03:37 PM

I realize that I'm not going to change your mind... I hope you realize that you are not going to change mine


btw one pull of the trigger on a semi-auto is no different that one pull of the trigger on a single shot

GBBob 02-21-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
I realize that I'm not going to change your mind... I hope you realize that you are not going to change mine

yep..although I have to admit that I know I am extreme about my wanting all guns banished, but really think I'm right about drawing the line with semi automatics and up..

anyway...moving on

miraja2 02-21-2009 04:11 PM

Did anybody else read the lead story in the Chicago Tribune today?

AeWingnut 02-21-2009 05:04 PM

Adolph Hitler was for gun control
 
in order for evil to triumph
all that has to happen is for a good man to do nothing

"Gun Free" zones always are until they aren't

the only ones that have to worry when an honest man has a gun is a dishonest one.

God created man
Sam Colt made them equal

guns prevent more violent crime than are caused by them..

anyway... in Florida they had to quit putting little stickers on rental cars because Florida allows conceal carry and the thieves knew that the people from out of state didn't have guns


without the 2nd amendment none of the other amendments have teeth

GBBob 02-21-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Did anybody else read the lead story in the Chicago Tribune today?

No..do tell..I'm far way from home

GBBob 02-21-2009 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
in order for evil to triumph
all that has to happen is for a good man to do nothing

"Gun Free" zones always are until they aren't

the only ones that have to worry when an honest man has a gun is a dishonest one.

God created man
Sam Colt made them equal

guns prevent more violent crime than are caused by them..

anyway... in Florida they had to quit putting little stickers on rental cars because Florida allows conceal carry and the thieves knew that the people from out of state didn't have guns


without the 2nd amendment none of the other amendments have teeth

Well....you kinda' had me at the rental car thing...but the last is :wf

Would somene please tell me why owning a gun, letting your neighbor own a shot gun and letting the weird dude two blocks over owning a machine gun a rite of passage?...it's got to be phallic at some point

miraja2 02-21-2009 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
No..do tell..I'm far way from home

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,3138980.story

GBBob 02-21-2009 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Well...if we just round up more bad guys, this will take care of itself

dellinger63 02-21-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

if Bowen High School only had a pool. Maybe these gang bangers would be swimming and or drowning instead of shooting.

hi_im_god 02-21-2009 08:33 PM

i read through the entire thread just now.

the only hope for the future i hold is the knowledge that a handgun is more likely to be used to kill an acquaintance or yourself than a stranger.

so the gene pool seems safe.

dellinger63 02-21-2009 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i read through the entire thread just now.

the only hope for the future i hold is the knowledge that a handgun is more likely to be used to kill an acquaintance or yourself than a stranger.

so the gene pool seems safe.


POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!

AeWingnut 02-21-2009 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i read through the entire thread just now.

the only hope for the future i hold is the knowledge that a handgun is more likely to be used to kill an acquaintance or yourself than a stranger.

so the gene pool seems safe.


another reason we need conceal carry

AeWingnut 02-21-2009 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Well....you kinda' had me at the rental car thing...but the last is :wf

Would somene please tell me why owning a gun, letting your neighbor own a shot gun and letting the weird dude two blocks over owning a machine gun a rite of passage?...it's got to be phallic at some point



if it saved one life wouldn't it be worth it

Danzig 02-21-2009 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i read through the entire thread just now.

the only hope for the future i hold is the knowledge that a handgun is more likely to be used to kill an acquaintance or yourself than a stranger.

so the gene pool seems safe.

considering that most murder victims know their killer (domestic disputes, suicide rates) you're correct. i however don't think ownership of a gun suddenly means you're a crazed, clueless rube bent on destruction.

golfer 02-22-2009 05:53 AM

Assaulting the Constitiution
 
By the way, Bob, I was RIGHT:) ... this has led to interesting and diverse discussion...

http://rense.com/general85/pcrg.htm

Some highlights from the article:

"Gun violence" is not something committed by the vast majority of gun owners. "Gun violence" is the preserve of the criminal elements, such as gangs fighting over drug turf. Criminals are already prohibited from owning guns, but criminals pay no more attention to this law than they do to laws against robbery, rape, and murder. Why do Democrats think that disarming law-abiding citizens will disarm outlaws?


So much for gun bans. They only disarm the law-abiding and leave them defenseless."


Please feel free to replace the word Democrats with Politicians.

ddthetide 02-22-2009 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
a big dog is also a deterrent.
if you do get a gun, make sure both of you know exactly how it operates, and go practice. personally, i prefer a longarm to a handgun. handguns don't have a lot of accuracy. if you have kids, take them with you to the range. teach them as well-not so much to shoot, but to respect the gun and stay away from it.

also, get motion detecting lights for your backyard, front door.

a Very sudden twist to my post. we ARE moving in 6 weeks. we are only going four blocks but we are moving into a gated community and onto the publicly-traded electric company's service. i work for the City owned electric company. now we won't live with the customers i have to deal with.:o :wf

Danzig 02-22-2009 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
a Very sudden twist to my post. we ARE moving in 6 weeks. we are only going four blocks but we are moving into a gated community and onto the publicly-traded electric company's service. i work for the City owned electric company. now we won't live with the customers i have to deal with.:o :wf


good for you! it always kills me when people get offended such as in your case-but if they'd just pay their damn bill, they wouldn't have YOU to blame for their troubles. hope you like it there.


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