i prefer they don't change the names, now every time this Eight Belles race comes up I'm going to think "now what was this race called before?"
i like traditions. it also just seems too soon and in any case I would think Oaklawn would be a more appropriate place for an Eight Belles stakes race, and that doesn't mean we should have two Eight Belles stakes either.

Yes there is, if people are going to argue that part of the reason this is a dumb move by Churchill is because it will stir up bad memories.

I don't think this is a smart move OR a dumb move by CD. They are choosing to honor a filly who ran a fantastic race against males in the greatest race in the world, and then died on the track. They'll probably run it for a couple years and then change the name to something else.

Changing names is stupid. Just name a new race after Eight Belles and call it a day. Dumping the La Troienne name is just dumb, period.

Are there any good memories concerning Eight Belles and CD? What exactly would be the reasoning behind renaming a race after Eight Belles except for some cheap PR? If you criticize CD for every move they make you wont be wrong often.

DW,

I think what's being referenced in the earlier post's sweeping generalization, is the incident involving Johnny Loftus that grew out of Mad Hatter beating Sir Barton in November 1919 at Pimlico. Bedwell accused Loftus of taking money from Sam Hildreth to hold Sir Barton. Loftus, who had been aboard Sir Barton for his spring run through the Derby, Preakness, Withers and Belmont, never rode for Bedwell again.

A number of 'sporting journals' reported on the Bedwell-Loftus rift, and rather involved investigations took place publicly and privately that included August Belmont, The Jockey Club, Pinkertons, etc.. Loftus had also had a screaming match with Bedwell at Pimlico which included his claiming that Sir Barton didn't run the day in question because Bedwell hadn't given the horse his 'usual' hop.

Dorothy Ours talks about this incident in her wonderful Man o'War book.

Yep, and I was neglectful in not providing a link to my statement:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Man.../9780641912528

For those readers, interested, click on the Features tab. There is a fairly long exerpt from the book.

I think "back then" a lot of substances were used, we just didn't have the scrutiny, testing and recordkeeping that we have today.

That's debatable.

I wonder if they'll name one after Chelokee?

I figure The Justin Dew can't be far behind.

The Joel Cunningham is first.

I think that would cost you about $40 for your average Wednesday night $5k/4.5k claimer at Charles Town.

Several times in Dorothy Ours "Man-O-War" biography, in another Man-O-War bio I've read (will have to dig it up), and I saw it first in an old magazine article about the horse (Blood-Horse? can't recall.)

Edit: Aside from the incident you mentioned, Ours discusses Bedwell in conjunction with a series of drugging incidents - cocaine - at Latonia (which caused Bedwell to be ruled off - he was later reinstated)

And Edward Bowen discusses doping and Bedwell in "Masters of the Turf".

Ah, found the original: New York Times, August 25, 1910: Guy Bedwell denied reinstatement after disbarment in KY for horse appearing "crazed" ("suffering the effect of a drug" that Bedwell later said was cocaine) in paddock before race

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...6E9C946196D6CF

(search NYT online archives, enter "Bedwell" or "Sir Barton" as search terms - lots of old racing articles available)

Heroin (called "horse" for a reason), caffeine, amphetamines, cocaine ...

Got a nice ring to it, doesn't it? Unfortunately, the Barack Obama will probably be first before either one of those. :p

I want to start referring to myself as The Justin Dew.

Can I steal that?

Let's hope you perform better than THE Green Monkey.

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i'm not one arguing it will produce bad memories...but, i can hear it now- 'who was eight belles'? and the only thing of note anyone will be able to tell the person asking the question is that she finished second in the derby and then didn't make the gallop out. that's the ONLY thing of note about this horse. certainly it wasn't her win in the fantasy that got her this stakes named for her. in that respect, it is no comparison to ruffian or go for wand, who both did plenty on the track to warrant getting a race named in their honor.

Only a matter of time. The irony would be if they did it for a race he won--the Barbaro. Unfortunately I'm not really able to muster up the energy to grumble as much about renaming the La Troienne--I'm still annoyed by the renaming of the Sir Barton. I know we can't get a group of people to agree on binding drug policies but surely it wouldn't kill them to agree not to rename races of a certain level without some sort of procedure. Like if they're in the Hall of Fame you can't rename it or something.

Now for another fun one. You can make an argument for naming a race after Mineshaft, sure, but one race he shouldn't have had renamed for him---the Whirlaway. Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. It's a matter of time before they rename the Secretariat or the Man O'War. (Sure it sounds like a dramatic load of crap but really, let enough time go by. Clearly there's a point where it's ok to forget about honoring TC winners like Sir Barton and Whirlaway).

The LaTroienne should stand . I wonder why Saratoga has never had a stakes named The Somethingroyal ? The dam of Secretariat and Sir Gaylord had one career race ; at Saratoga , Aug. 2 , 1954, unplaced .

Colonial Downs named a race for her. A restricted turf stakes for fillies and mares that it appears didn't happen in 2008 but 2000-2007 they have run it. Bright Gold won it twice and With Patience won it once. She was 3rd in the Gallorette. I don't pretend to understand the logic of their race naming any more than I do the Man O'War and Secretariat being on turf. I know Secretariat had a turf race but he was a TC winner on dirt for pete's sake.

As for the Whirlaway being renamed for Mineshaft, like a chump I didn't notice there were in fact other races named for him that are still named that (see the top of our own board this week) but as I said, give'em time. I mean there's no race named for Big Brown yet and boy will that be fun? "The Big Brown Stakes" sounds rather bathroom related but that won't stop anybody.

You should try to follow international racing, where sponsor names can change every few years. The big 1800m race at the big summer meet at Perth has been the Western Mail, the Marlboro Cup, the Rothmans Cup, the Winfields Cup, the Fruit 'n Veg S, and most recently, the Kingston Town Classic (named after a famous Australian racehorse). The mile race on Victoria Oaks day has been the George Addmas H, the Honda S, the Chrysler H, The Ampol S, and is currently the Emirates S. Most of the changes in the last 20 years. ARRRRGH

Pretentious anyone?

the fruit n veg stakes? what's next, fish and chips? bangers and mash stakes?

Now if they would rename The Churchill Downs Handicap on derby day to the Luke Krythbosch HC.

La Troienne back on Churchill stakes schedule
By Marty McGee

http://www.drf.com/news/article/110082.html

LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Churchill Downs on Wednesday released its 2010 stakes schedule for both the spring and fall meets, with some of the minor revisions being attributable to the 27th Breeders' Cup championships being run here Nov. 5-6.

The spring schedule, highlighted as always by the $2 million Kentucky Derby on May 1, underwent a handful of changes, most notably the restoration of the La Troienne Stakes. The $300,000 La Troienne replaces what had been known as the Louisville Stakes, formerly the Louisville Breeders' Cup Handicap, a filly-mare race held annually on the Kentucky Oaks undercard. Until being renamed the Eight Belles for the 2009 running, the La Troienne had been for 3-year-old fillies on the Derby undercard.

Here's what you have to ask:

If she didn't die would she have gotten a race named after her for finishing 2nd in the Derby?

The answer is no.

I am a certified expert on this subject and Heroin wasn't called "horse" because of its past use in Horse doping.. Heroin isn't making anything move fast if at all. Heroin is not a drug that can be used to locally...It's a beautiful product when abused correctly please don't disrespect it..lol

:eek: . So now there's a La Troienne AND an 8 Belles?