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pgardn 02-06-2009 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
True. In the case of both of those guys, especially Russell, I think they could be equally comfortable at the big forward spot. Russell was a center during his era but could not be one in today's NBA, I don't think. Guys like Bynum, Howard, Ming, Shaq, Ilgauskas......they are just too big and strong for him. I believe Russell was around 6-9, 220 or so. He fit in well with other big men of his era but would be way undersized today. I see him in today's game as something like a Rodman type but a better shot-blocker. I've always wondered what Shaq and Hakeem's numbers would look like if they were playing in Chamberlain and Russell's spots and vice-versa. I think Shaq and Hakeem would have dominated even more than the older guys did and I don't know if Chamberlain and Russell could have matched the numbers of the younger guys.

That brings me to another question. Which players from pre-1970 do you all think could have played successfully in today's game and how well do you think they would do? I think a guy like Robertson could play but I doubt he'd be going for 30-10-10 a year like he did then. Maravich could definitely play and be a great player now. Baylor and West could play but I don't think they'd have close to the same numbers they did then, especially Baylor. It's hard for me to see a 6-5 guy going for 17 boards a game. No way Chamberlain or Russell would come close to the numbers they did then but both could play and be really good. Who are some others?
I think Russell could certainly play but agree on the numbers. His timing on D cant be taught. Roberston absolutley. West... I swear I dont think the guy ever dribbled with his left hand. His handles going left... bad. Chamberlain could play, but not dominate, which I think is very obvious. Baylor definitley played a modern game. Seeing he is not Barkley, the boards would not come as easily.
Speaking of... Barkley is really the freak. A 6' 5" power forward. Never seen a guy that "small" with that strength. Rodman is mentioned but he really was a specialist. Barkley could do about everything.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-06-2009 09:55 PM
C: Shaq
F: Malone
F: DrugS
G: Johnson
G: Jordan

6th man: Moss

GPK 02-07-2009 09:14 AM
I played small forward in a 12 & under rec league last year. Dominated them little bastards too:tro: :tro:

Cannon Shell 02-07-2009 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
C: Shaq
F: Malone
F: DrugS
G: Johnson
G: Jordan

6th man: Moss
Where is White Chocolate?

Cannon Shell 02-07-2009 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK
I played small forward in a 12 & under rec league last year. Dominated them little bastards too:tro: :tro:
girls?

2 Dollar Bill 02-07-2009 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Worthy was a very good player but take Magic Johnson away from him and I don't think his career looks nearly like it does.
From the James Worthy Bio
James Worthy- One of the Top 50 NBA players of ALL Time, 7 time All star, 3 time NBA Champion, MVP of the 1982 NCAA Championship Tournament, #1 pick of the 1982 NBA draft...

Seattleallstar 02-07-2009 11:02 PM
PG--John Stockton
SG--Michael Jordan
SF--Larry Bird
PF--Kevin McHale
C--Bill Walton

I really struggled between Magic and Stockton, but Stockton eventually won out because hes more unselfish and efficient in distributing the ball.

I went with Bill Walton because he is the best passing center while at same time being no slouch on offense, could easily kick it out to Bird on the perimeter or Jordan cutting through the lane for a dunk.

Kevin McHale I mean hell, just let him post up and its money.

GBBob 02-07-2009 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
PG--John Stockton
SG--Michael Jordan
SF--Larry Bird
PF--Kevin McHale
C--Bill Walton

I really struggled between Magic and Stockton, but Stockton eventually won out because hes more unselfish and efficient in distributing the ball.

I went with Bill Walton because he is the best passing center while at same time being no slouch on offense, could easily kick it out to Bird on the perimeter or Jordan cutting through the lane for a dunk.

Kevin McHale I mean hell, just let him post up and its money.
I didn't realize this was the ugliest, most arrogant white NBA player thread, less MJ, of all time

Cannon Shell 02-07-2009 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
PG--John Stockton
SG--Michael Jordan
SF--Larry Bird
PF--Kevin McHale
C--Bill Walton

I really struggled between Magic and Stockton, but Stockton eventually won out because hes more unselfish and efficient in distributing the ball.

I went with Bill Walton because he is the best passing center while at same time being no slouch on offense, could easily kick it out to Bird on the perimeter or Jordan cutting through the lane for a dunk.

Kevin McHale I mean hell, just let him post up and its money.
South Africa's team

Cannon Shell 02-07-2009 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob
I didn't realize this was the ugliest, most arrogant white NBA player thread, less MJ, of all time
MJ is the token black

King Glorious 02-08-2009 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill
From the James Worthy Bio
James Worthy- One of the Top 50 NBA players of ALL Time, 7 time All star, 3 time NBA Champion, MVP of the 1982 NCAA Championship Tournament, #1 pick of the 1982 NBA draft...
Nobody said that Worthy wasn't a really good player. But umm, Scottie Pippen is on the top 50 list too and nobody is putting him on any all-time teams. If you know basketball, you know that, while I wouldn't say Jordan made Pippen, Jordan contributed greatly to Pippen's success. Without Jordan, Pippen is never a six-time champion. Without Magic, Worthy is never a 3-time champion. If you notice, in his entire career, Worthy never made all-league first or second team. The best he did was be named third team twice. He was a subpar rebounder for a guy 6-9. His career high was 6.4 and his career average was 5.1 His career scoring average was 17.6 He was a steady player and a good player. But nowhere close to one of the all-time greats. Where he made his name was in the playoffs. They called him "Big Game James" because he was a money player. But overall career, there were a lot of guys that rank higher than him. I would not have voted Worthy into the hall of fame.

GPK 02-08-2009 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
girls?
Yep. 8 foot rims...and I still couldn't dunk:wf

Cannon Shell 02-08-2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK
Yep. 8 foot rims...and I still couldn't dunk:wf
You play more of a finesse game anyway

pgardn 02-08-2009 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You play more of a finesse game anyway
Finesse.
In a girls basketball league with 8 foot rims.
These would be elementary school girls.

Finesse...
I dont think we want that word.
Sounds a bit like fondle.

Lets keep with kev just dominating...

Nope, that wont work either.

Lets just pretend like kev only had pine time in this league
and keep him out of trouble.

alysheba4 02-11-2009 02:51 PM
wilt in his prime would dominate the weak centers of today........even when he was at the end he would go for 22 and 15 today.

Seattleallstar 02-15-2009 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Nobody said that Worthy wasn't a really good player. But umm, Scottie Pippen is on the top 50 list too and nobody is putting him on any all-time teams. If you know basketball, you know that, while I wouldn't say Jordan made Pippen, Jordan contributed greatly to Pippen's success. Without Jordan, Pippen is never a six-time champion. Without Magic, Worthy is never a 3-time champion. If you notice, in his entire career, Worthy never made all-league first or second team. The best he did was be named third team twice. He was a subpar rebounder for a guy 6-9. His career high was 6.4 and his career average was 5.1 His career scoring average was 17.6 He was a steady player and a good player. But nowhere close to one of the all-time greats. Where he made his name was in the playoffs. They called him "Big Game James" because he was a money player. But overall career, there were a lot of guys that rank higher than him. I would not have voted Worthy into the hall of fame.
so you put James in Vinnie Johnson,Dennis Johnson, Sam Cassell territory

King Glorious 02-15-2009 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
so you put James in Vinnie Johnson,Dennis Johnson, Sam Cassell territory
Your inclusion of Cassell into the same sentence with those others makes me feel like this is a trick question.

Smooth Operator 02-15-2009 09:20 PM
Gotta figure out a way to get the Magic man on that first team, KG.


Saw enough of him in the '80s to realize that he was a very, very special ball player.

Cannon Shell 02-15-2009 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Gotta figure out a way to get the Magic man on that first team, KG.


Saw enough of him in the '80s to realize that he was a very, very special ball player.
Just watching him once should be enough...

King Glorious 02-15-2009 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator
Gotta figure out a way to get the Magic man on that first team, KG.


Saw enough of him in the '80s to realize that he was a very, very special ball player.
No question that Magic was a very special player. There wasn't anything he couldn't do and the thing I like most about him is how he constantly improved his game over the year. He became a decent shooter, worked himself into an excellent free throw shooter, and became a decent defender. I guess the thing that always has been somewhat of a negative for me when it comes to him is the same thing that bothers me about Wilt. A lot of his advantage came because of his size and not only because of his skills. I remember watching him play all the time and often he'd go down into the post and his defender would be a 6'1 or 6'2 point guard. Maurice Cheeks had no chance in the world of guarding him. I almost feel stupid trying to point out anything negative about him because there really isn't anything negative about his game. I just feel that Stockton was the best I ever saw at controlling the pace and tempo of a game. He didn't have nearly the same amount of talent to work with that Magic had and he didn't pick up the same number of assists in the fast break that Magic did. In the situation where we have several other great players on the floor and only need a true point guard, Stockton is the one I'd take.

somerfrost 02-15-2009 10:00 PM
Really hard to pick just five:
C...Wilt
PF...Bird
Sf...Jordan
SG...Robertson
PG...Magic
The Big O might play a lot of point here, as would MJ.

alysheba4 02-16-2009 12:07 PM
great team somer, great passers on that ball club.

Seattleallstar 02-16-2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Your inclusion of Cassell into the same sentence with those others makes me feel like this is a trick question.
I could of busted out with Robert Horry if you like then that would of really made it a trick question.

pgardn 02-16-2009 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Really hard to pick just five:
C...Wilt
PF...Bird
Sf...Jordan
SG...Robertson
PG...Magic
The Big O might play a lot of point here, as would MJ.
Definitely would go to the hack a Wilt
against this team.

Cannon Shell 02-16-2009 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Really hard to pick just five:
C...Wilt
PF...Bird
Sf...Jordan
SG...Robertson
PG...Magic
The Big O might play a lot of point here, as would MJ.
You cheated too. Jordan was never remotely considered a forward.

somerfrost 02-16-2009 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You cheated too. Jordan was never remotely considered a forward.

Ok, Ok.....put MJ at SG, the Big O at the Point and Magic at SF

Cannon Shell 02-17-2009 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Ok, Ok.....put MJ at SG, the Big O at the Point and Magic at SF
He hardly qualifies there either. it is like putting Babe Ruth as your catcher in the all time baseball team.

somerfrost 02-17-2009 09:45 AM
I saw all these guys play and I'm quite comfortable with my lineup, geez...Magic played all five positions, MJ played 3 as did the Big O, your analogy is faulty.

Cannon Shell 02-17-2009 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
I saw all these guys play and I'm quite comfortable with my lineup, geez...Magic played all five positions, MJ played 3 as did the Big O, your analogy is faulty.
Magic was a PG 99.99% of the time. MJ never played SF. Ever. You may make a case for the big O but I am not that old.

King Glorious 02-18-2009 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Magic was a PG 99.99% of the time. MJ never played SF. Ever. You may make a case for the big O but I am not that old.
I think that again, you are placing too much emphasis on what a player's listed position is. If you watched those Bulls teams during the second three-peat (which I'm sure you did), you should be aware that positions were irrelevant. The Bulls would start Harper, Jordan, and Pippen and those three guys were interchangable as far as positions. Any of the three of them could grab a rebound and push the ball up the court to lead the break. Any of the three of them could fill a spot on the wing. Any of the three of them would play the wing or the post on offense. And the best part was that they didn't have to search out their specific player on defense. They would just pick out the closest one to them. Ron Harper was listed as the point guard but do you really believe that Harper was a point guard? It's like a guy like Gasol with the Lakers. When he and Bynum are in there together, Gasol is a forward. When Bynum goes out, Gasol plays more center. Magic may have been listed as a point guard but I remember there were plenty of times early in his career where Norm Nixon would be the one handling the ball and Magic would go down to the post. LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant......none of them are point guards but they all handle the ball probably as much or more than the point guards on their teams do.

pgardn 02-18-2009 06:56 PM
I think Magic played center against the Sixers, scored 42 points mostly in the paint against Caldwell Jones. Bunch of rebounds and a few assists. Jabbar was injured. Think that was the final game of the series that LA won.

Cannon Shell 02-18-2009 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I think that again, you are placing too much emphasis on what a player's listed position is. If you watched those Bulls teams during the second three-peat (which I'm sure you did), you should be aware that positions were irrelevant. The Bulls would start Harper, Jordan, and Pippen and those three guys were interchangable as far as positions. Any of the three of them could grab a rebound and push the ball up the court to lead the break. Any of the three of them could fill a spot on the wing. Any of the three of them would play the wing or the post on offense. And the best part was that they didn't have to search out their specific player on defense. They would just pick out the closest one to them. Ron Harper was listed as the point guard but do you really believe that Harper was a point guard? It's like a guy like Gasol with the Lakers. When he and Bynum are in there together, Gasol is a forward. When Bynum goes out, Gasol plays more center. Magic may have been listed as a point guard but I remember there were plenty of times early in his career where Norm Nixon would be the one handling the ball and Magic would go down to the post. LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant......none of them are point guards but they all handle the ball probably as much or more than the point guards on their teams do.
I think if you are listing an all time team you should do it by position. Magic was always a point. The fact he would post up smaller guards didn't mean he wasn't a point guard, just smart. If you never made an all NBA team at a position then how can you make an all time NBA team at that position? I mean Nolan Ryan would probably have been the best closer in the history of baseball and did actually pitch from the bullpen earlier in his career but that doesn't mean that i can make him a closer in an all time great baseball team.


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