Then all those catalogs with sire and dam info meaningless. They should just publish the race record and horses that competed against said sire and dam. Pedigreequery be damned.

They thought so much of Rail Trip's potential as a stallion with his breeding.........that they gelded him. Enough said.

How many top racing females become top producers? How does that compare with how many unraced or very lightly raced and unaccomplished ones do the same thing?

was just giving you $hit about your comment that breeding doesnt effect performance. :p

I think of breeding as an indicator of what you MIGHT expect when a horse is trying something for the first time. After they are on the track and show what they can or can't do, I throw breeding out of the window.

You'd think that after watching an Elusive Quality and Tale of the Cat go 1-2 in the Derby, people would realize things have changed.

I bet if there was a debuting son of King Glorious that's a half to Lammtarra, KG here would be the first person at the windows that day to bet it.

That's a bet you'd lose. Big.

Guess the Paulson's are lying about Azeri and no one really bid on her? Or they know her racing record means nothing and don't want to rip anyone off. Yea that's it. Want to buy some unacomplished mares? Certainly you're not opposed to IL breds they some of the most unacomplished.

What if it was the three? You'd miss your 3-6-9 Goose Drank Wine bet.

How much they want for her or how much they have been offered for her are totally irrelevant to how successful she'll end up being. I never said that top racemares aren't valuable. I said it's rare that they end up being top producers. Azeri could end up being like Miesque or Personal Ensign. Or should could end up producing nothing of note like the vast majority of top runners do.

http://www.santaanita.com/news/sn.ph...sundayfebruary

Probable for the 71st San Carlos, for older horses at seven furlongs: Devoted Magic, Joel Rosario; Georgie Boy, Gomez; Halo Najib, Rafael Bejarano; and possibly Rail Trip, Jose Valdivia Jr.; Dodgen Bullets and Screen to Screen.


Rail Trip worked five furlongs on Pro-Ride Sunday in a bullet :59 seconds with Valdivia up, but trainer Ron Ellis and co-owner Samantha Siegel were non-committal on whether the gelding would run in the San Carlos or point to the Santa Anita Handicap on March 7.

So Kingie... I know you do the love / hate thing at times.

Was wondering your feelings on the day... :)

Of the two bold predictions KG made that week, it was the better of the two. The other?

This gem:

Regarding Stardom Bound.

NT

Hard to knock a horse who's never finished worse than 2nd and has a G1 in the resume

I first started following racing in the Smarty era.

I've learned a lot from different people, a few of them here, but back in those days? The person who taught me THE (wow I feel like TFM doing that :D ) most was King. I didn't know anything about anything and he'd explain stuff in his long winded way. :D

He did explain things though, to a silly new fan on an internet forum when he didn't have to waste his time... he always went out of his way for me and others who showed enthusiasm and who wanted to understand the game better.

Sometimes i want to smack him, sometimes he's dead on but for the record just wanna say that i was honestly asking him for his opinion here and wasn't bumping this up for any other reason.

He's continually pointed out to me I'm far too sentimental but he knows I think he gives up on some runners too easily.Ultimately, as friends, we end up balancing each other out.

As far as the Stardom Bound line... I probably made a similar prediction somewhere...:wf

I know I've made worse ones anyway...

Beautiful win by Rail Trip today. Like him, didn't think he'd do it here... congrats to anyone who had him.

he outran my expectations of him today.

It was a horrid Gold Cup. Rail Trip got an easy lead trip while clear of the runaway false pace. However, he made it through the distance.

When i first saw Rail Trip my opinion was that it was a horse Valdivia had been getting on in the morning, conditioning it to certain things, good speed, but he'd probably quit against any kind of pace or distance.

good for him. Now he's on the vulture list

Who would possibly have him?:rolleyes:

Wasn't there a board consensus that he was a MILER?

Don't tell me someone is rocking the boat.

Jesus, don't have an aneurysm!

I applaud the people who post picks every day. Some though, some just don't and they're not gonna come on here and redboard.

Just saying congrats to anyone if they did have him.

Relax.

What part indicates that I'm tense?

The :rolleyes: ?

Ummm, okay nevermind, sorry if I was wrong.

Sometimes I read your posts and wonder if maybe someone needs a XANAX but it's probably just me. :wf

Dear KG.

You may be able to understand race dynamics, but you have no clue as to the horse itself. Rail Trip kicked your butt today after you ONCE AGAIN deserted a horse for losing.

I could not stop laughing.

Apologies, Sir.

I would have called it the post-9/11-we-need-a-hero-and-this-Cinderella-story-was-irresistible-for-people-like-me-who-had-no-interest-in-racing-till-Seabiscuit-came-out-the-year-before era, but it's too long.

I know a very good handicapper that boxed The filly with Rail trip and Mast Track. The question was who could of played 3 Drunks ( Tres Barrachos ) ?:zz:

The "brats" will sometimes do that for us :p

I tried that stuff one time and did'nt feel a damn thing... Was still just as B.itchy:D

I laughed too as I cashed some winning tickets on him. I'm not sure how he kicked my butt though. Speaking of having no clue, look in a mirror. I think it's comical that you felt the need to say I ONCE AGAIN deserted a horse for losing? Try knowing what you are talking about. I didn't desert the horse. I still think he is a very good horse. What I don't believe in is blind loyalty. Just because I may like or dislike a horse at one point doesn't mean it has to stay that way forever. Good horses can go bad and bad ones can improve. What I did in this case was admit that I was very wrong on him. Not that I don't still think he's good but I don't think he's anywhere near the best horse in the country and the HOY. Backing off of that opinion didn't have anything to do with me believing he's still by far the best older male in California and salivating at seeing him as the fifth choice yesterday. I guess we both laughed.

[quote=King Glorious]I laughed too as I cashed some winning tickets on him. I'm not sure how he kicked my butt though. Speaking of having no clue, look in a mirror. I think it's comical that you felt the need to say I ONCE AGAIN deserted a horse for losing? Try knowing what you are talking about. I didn't desert the horse. I still think he is a very good horse. What I don't believe in is blind loyalty. Just because I may like or dislike a horse at one point doesn't mean it has to stay that way forever. Good horses can go bad and bad ones can improve. What I did in this case was admit that I was very wrong on him. Not that I don't still think he's good but I don't think he's anywhere near the best horse in the country and the HOY. Backing off of that opinion didn't have anything to do with me believing he's still by far the best older male in California and salivating at seeing him as the fifth choice yesterday. I guess we both laughed.[/QUOTE]

Yep.