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GBBob 01-12-2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
do pelosi and reid agree with this? i thought they wanted the rate moved up on the top right away and not wait for 2 yrs

Probably not, but the way things are now, all bets are off.

As an aside, I think being flexible..aka..changing your mind based on circumstances is a positive. Some call it flip-flopping, but in principal he still believes in the tax hike.

dellinger63 01-12-2009 02:33 PM

and she's in line to be commerce secretary. She's real green too. Flies in and out of her Lake Geneva WI home on a private 9 seat helicopter. Not sure if it runs on bio fuel or solar energy. Can't be the later because sometimes she flies over at night. mmmmm Remember her and family being involved in a savings and loan or bank fiasco. I'll look into that later.

GBBob 01-12-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
and she's in line to be commerce secretary. She's real green too. Flies in and out of her Lake Geneva WI home on a private 9 seat helicopter. Not sure if it runs on bio fuel or solar energy. Can't be the later because sometimes she flies over at night. mmmmm Remember her and family being involved in a savings and loan or bank fiasco. I'll look into that later.

I thought she already passed on that?

gales0678 01-12-2009 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Probably not, but the way things are now, all bets are off.

As an aside, I think being flexible..aka..changing your mind based on circumstances is a positive. Some call it flip-flopping, but in principal he still believes in the tax hike.


but how much worse has it gotten since the election all of 2008 was bad , home prices began to decline in 2007 , top ex's are still taking home million dollar pay packages

heck cc sabathaia and a-rod can't pay 4% points a year higher

even bill clinton said he should be paying more in his personal income taxes

GBBob 01-12-2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
but how much worse has it gotten since the election all of 2008 was bad , home prices began to decline in 2007 , top ex's are still taking home million dollar pay packages

heck cc sabathaia and a-rod can't pay 4% points a year higher

even bill clinton said he should be paying more in his personal income taxes

Honestly?? I don't know Marty..Just throwing around ideas

dellinger63 01-12-2009 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I thought she already passed on that?

You are correct. Good thing for Obama too with her family's bank history. Goody more late night fly-overs.

Danzig 01-12-2009 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Probably not, but the way things are now, all bets are off.

As an aside, I think being flexible..aka..changing your mind based on circumstances is a positive. Some call it flip-flopping, but in principal he still believes in the tax hike.


anyone critical of obama for being a realist needs to recall that george bush was incredibly inflexible-his way or no way. look where that has gotten us.

oh, wait...can't blame him for it, he was only doing what god told him to.

AeWingnut 01-12-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
anyone critical of obama for being a realist needs to recall that george bush was incredibly inflexible-his way or no way. look where that has gotten us.

oh, wait...can't blame him for it, he was only doing what god told him to.



George Bush was a Democrat in my eyes

and all of our problems are because he failed to change Clinton policy


Obama is a realist? Not my reality:rolleyes:

Danzig 01-12-2009 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
George Bush was a Democrat in my eyes

and all of our problems are because he failed to change Clinton policy


Obama is a realist? Not my reality:rolleyes:

i meant that regarding him wanting the economy to be the first priority, and that his other stuff will have to wait. he also recognizes that our federal govt cannot walk and chew gum at the same time, so he can't expect them to tackle more than one issue at a time.

how the hell did we become the lone superpower?!

dellinger63 01-12-2009 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i meant that regarding him wanting the economy to be the first priority, and that his other stuff will have to wait. he also recognizes that our federal govt cannot walk and chew gum at the same time, so he can't expect them to tackle more than one issue at a time.

how the hell did we become the lone superpower?!



"Tear down this wall."

Ronald Reagan

Danzig 01-12-2009 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
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"Tear down this wall."

Ronald Reagan


no, i'm just referring to how how govt works....doesn't seem terribly able. but i guess it's still better than anyone else's....

dellinger63 01-12-2009 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
no, i'm just referring to how how govt works....doesn't seem terribly able. but i guess it's still better than anyone else's....

Sorry I was explaining how we were the lone super power but then down the stretch 'here comes China'. IMO They're bred for distances yet encountered.

AeWingnut 01-12-2009 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah but in your reality there were WMD's in Iraq.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...yellowcake.htm


and in my reality
giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war is treason

hi_im_god 01-12-2009 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...yellowcake.htm


and in my reality
giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war is treason

"Clearly, putting a 'Mission Accomplished' [banner] on an aircraft carrier was a mistake," Bush said about how his administration handled the fall of Baghdad to U.S. troops. "It sent the wrong message."

He termed other aspects of the U.S. invasion of Iraq "disappointments," including the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison.

this man must be guilty of treason.

hi_im_god 01-12-2009 10:40 PM

seriously ae, the treason card?

in an internet debate?

where your team captain already threw in the towel and said "game over"?

i'd throw in the "i was been drinking when i posted that" card now if i were you.

timmgirvan 01-13-2009 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
you're the one going on and on about how he's a failure (and he hasn't even been sworn in yet) and I'M the cynic?!?! hilarity, thy name is timmi.

you're putting words in my mouth....I didn't say he was a failure.
I didn't write the article, I just brought it to your attention.
The medias had a love-fest with this guy from the beginning. You should try grasping the context of the message rather a word, followed by a knee-jerk reaction.

timmgirvan 01-13-2009 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Thanks Kev, although the first paragraph clearly explains why he there might be the delay.

Confronted by the worst financial crisis in generations, President-elect Barack Obama and his Democratic allies in Congress are preparing to delay some of the promises he made on the campaign trail to avoid political distractions and focus on reversing the economic slide.


Now, unless I can't read, Obama isn't saying what Dimmy was passing off as what he said, but no surprise there. Still waiting Dimmy.

2 different articles,fool!

Danzig 01-13-2009 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
you're putting words in my mouth....I didn't say he was a failure. I didn't write the article, I just brought it to your attention.
The medias had a love-fest with this guy from the beginning. You should try grasping the context of the message rather a word, followed by a knee-jerk reaction.


"My exact point is that he raised the expectations so high with campaign rhetoric that it will be impossible to achieve what he promised."


apparently, i condensed what i was reading from you into one word-failure. but you didn't say he was one? but you did write the above....i would think, by reading that, you were suggesting he will fail.

timmgirvan 01-13-2009 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
"My exact point is that he raised the expectations so high with campaign rhetoric that it will be impossible to achieve what he promised."


apparently, i condensed what i was reading from you into one word-failure. but you didn't say he was one? but you did write the above....i would think, by reading that, you were suggesting he will fail.

What I'm saying is that he either knew his positions were untenable, or had bad info. Shortly after his election, he and the media said he'd need 2 terms to fix the problems. Standard Demcratic response....hell, I didn't know...
that is not a change.

Danzig 01-13-2009 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
What I'm saying is that he either knew his positions were untenable, or had bad info. Shortly after his election, he and the media said he'd need 2 terms to fix the problems. Standard Demcratic response....hell, I didn't know...
that is not a change.


it was shortly before the end of the presidential race that the poo hit the fan. the 'stimulus' package they pushed thru back last spring only delayed the inevitable. when the economy started tanking, he started talking about the realities of the situation, rather than what he wanted to push thru-it was back last summer that he first said he didn't see raising cap gains taxes as happening.
i know where i work, i make plans-and hell, everything works out perfect on paper. but you also have to be able to handle things that come up spur of the moment, you have to roll with the punches-either that, or you're denying what's right in your face. it's no surprise to me that he is saying economy FIRST. you're taking that to mean economy only.

Danzig 01-13-2009 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You really are slow aren't you? I realize they are 2 different articles. You have yet to show any proof of what you were saying. Because it never happened.

What is so difficult to grasp here? Obama is saying some of the things he said he was going to do in his campaign are being pushed back because he is walking into a financial crisis. I'm not sure if you noticed the crisis, but it's bad Dimmy. So bad that it should be the number one focus of whatever President is taking office. Now, if McCain had won, and said the same thing Obama did, it's a non issue to you. Get over it already.

i think you're right on that.

AeWingnut 01-13-2009 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You ignored this the first time it was posted, so I'll do it again.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp

Today, President Bush in his press conference admitted that one of his many mistakes during his presidency was the fact that they never found any WMD's in Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/...ion=cnn_latest

From the article:

"Clearly, putting a 'Mission Accomplished' [banner] on an aircraft carrier was a mistake," Bush said about how his administration handled the fall of Baghdad to U.S. troops. "It sent the wrong message."

He termed other aspects of the U.S. invasion of Iraq "disappointments," including the failure to find weapons of mass destruction and the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison.


ignore or just didn't bother to follow along

in the truth or fiction version.. the story claims that Bush says none were found to help get the WMD out of the country so they don't have to fight over them. or something like that.

every person that gave comfort and aid to the enemy at a time of war should be put up against the wall and shot

There goes Nancy, Dick and Jack

hi_im_god 01-13-2009 08:58 PM

you're like one of those ww2 japanese soldiers that were still living off the land in the philipine jungle through the 70's

you have too much pride to surrender and no one told you the battle was over.

your emperor surrendered. so did all his general's. but you fight on.

i just can't help myself. a part of me hopes you beat that windmill. it's just so sad, otherwise.

timmgirvan 01-14-2009 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think you're right on that.

McCain was trying to hold it all together
Obama promised a new beginning
I hope it works out OK for the country.

Danzig 01-14-2009 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
McCain was trying to hold it all together
Obama promised a new beginning
I hope it works out OK for the country.

i don't think you hope it works out ok. i think you want him to fall flat on his face, so you can start more threads like this one. the guy basically says our economy is the first, last and only priority right now, and you start a thread talking about how he's already backtracking on his promises.

timmgirvan 01-14-2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i don't think you hope it works out ok. i think you want him to fall flat on his face, so you can start more threads like this one. the guy basically says our economy is the first, last and only priority right now, and you start a thread talking about how he's already backtracking on his promises.

You can feel how you like, but there's articles galore about Obamas' missteps
by liberal publications and sites,and legislators.

If he fell on his face , the country will suffer more damage...and I don't want that.

....stay tuned,Ziggy!

Danzig 01-14-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
You can feel how you like, but there's articles galore about Obamas' misstepsby liberal publications and sites,and legislators.

If he fell on his face , the country will suffer more damage...and I don't want that.

....stay tuned,Ziggy!


he's not even president yet.

gimme a break timmi. you have your agenda, everyone knows it.

Danzig 01-14-2009 05:21 PM

if mccain had won, and all these articles been about him and putting parts of his agenda on hold, timmi would be on here defending him.

Danzig 01-14-2009 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You can feel how you like, but there's articles galore about Obamas' missteps
by liberal publications and sites,and legislators.

If he falls on his face , the country will suffer more damage...and he doesn't want that.

it's funny- a lot of folks probably do want him to fail, just so they can say 'i told you so'-and they'd probably be willing to see this country go further in the wrong direction, just so they could say that. goodness knows the bigger picture doesn't matter....as long as a person is proven correct.

Coach Pants 01-14-2009 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
it's funny- a lot of folks probably do want him to fail, just so they can say 'i told you so'-and they'd probably be willing to see this country go further in the wrong direction, just so they could say that. goodness knows the bigger picture doesn't matter....as long as a person is proven correct.

Well that's a travesty if so. All of the major networks should be reporting on it. It's an outrage!! My neighbor wants Obama to fail!! Rabble Rabble Rabble!! Or at least I think he does!!

duhrrrr

Danzig 01-14-2009 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Well that's a travesty if so. All of the major networks should be reporting on it. It's an outrage!! My neighbor wants Obama to fail!! Rabble Rabble Rabble!! Or at least I think he does!!

duhrrrr


feel better now?


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