that's just it, i don't think it's information. i don't think certain people are a danger because of the religion they follow, they are dangerous because they're criminal-minded. they use their religion to justify violence, they aren't violent due to their religion.

and your thread title was 'islam and the weapon...', not 'some followers of islam'. that seems pretty broad in scope to me.

I think a good experiment for Muslims would be to have a Sheik or someone of high "moral" authority say "My brothers and sisters with scarves for one week Allah says you are to be peacefull people in the world , for 7 days you must abstain from any warring with the infidels or anybody else , or Allah will strike you down".
I bet there would be almost no violence to report in the world except for the usual everyday murders , rapings, and theivery.
In a nutshell I think almost any Muslim in the Middle East who is given no hope by their leaders will resort to violence( this is true for almost all Muslim countries as it is the most effective way of brainwashing people) , death couldnt be any worse.

I used the Quran which lists the verses pertinent to Taqiyya(which by their definition is lying to non-believers to further the goals of Islam) How can that be broad in scope? How can that not be information? I didn't parse the verses together.
With regard to criminal activity..their BOOK does justify violence....and the current wave of violence around the world is proof of it.
Hoss asked what are we to do...well, I'll ask you...What are we to do about this?

One thing is for sure..you can't have a conversation without talking trash to me...so let's not have one. It is typical of you to fault me for an observation
nothing new there. Just carry on in your world without me,please.

I'm imagining that, like me, there are a couple of other people who aren't posting anything in here because Hossy is taking words right out of my mouth and doing a perfectly fine job picking apart a thread that started with such a ludicrous premise under the guise of 'oh look at this tidbit i just found, figured i'd share.'

Hossy called bull$hit, just like any other thinking person would have.

It's your world, boys! I personally expected as much from you two deep thinkers, but i disagree with you that you speak for anyone but yourselves.

you are not having a conversation...that would entail discussing the subject
rather than figuring a smartass answer every time. What did I say to you that was trash? I'm not whining....**** yourself.

That's right, I forgot that disagreeing with the same, usual dogmatic tripe is verboten.

What is funny that you would make a backhanded, sarcastic comment about me or Hossy being a "deep thinker," this coming from the guy whose "sources" are either $hitty op-eds, fearmongering right-wing sites and/or World Net Daily, the last bastion of honest reporting.

You're the last person here who should accuse anyone else of being incapable of having an original thought....

Oh well. I'm caught up now.

you don't know **** about me...just keep your head in the sand...fine by me.

You're right, I don't...which is why I only have what you post here to go on, so you've only got yourself to blame for the fact that this is all such a howler.

Posted without comment.

In lieu of the thread I was going to start called "Christianity and the weapon of youth pastors fuc|<ing kids."

OK..deep thinker: explain the constant attacks by Muslim terrorists on countries like Norway,England,France,Spain. Do you people even read a newspaper past the sports page? I'm not afraid for myself, just those who are ill-prepared to deal with those same attacks in their hometowns? If you think that's fear-mongering, then so be it

Answer the question....what about those countries? Instead of an intelligent answer, you vomit again. Notice a pattern there! What you think
of me is like a featherweight on my back. Carry on

Gee,Brian...if you'd like to talk about predators here feel free to do so. Apples and oranges on current topic.

It was an info thread. I saw it and posted the thread, that's it.

Personally..I'd just as soon you hang your ass out of a building with a "hit me"
sign!

is it all muslims or not? you say 'they believe' and then say you're not saying all muslims. which is it?

so....when a muslim says god is with us, he's wrong....but when a guy like the retired air force col i heard speak the other day, who said we are good christians and god is on our side...well, that's just peachy. don't worry about going to hell for murder boys, they're just infidels.

Are you confused too?? Of course it's not all Muslims that wish us harm!

criminals should be handled as they always have been. open season on all muslims because of the actions of a few shouldn't be called for.


this is hilarious, you're after them for their beliefs, while complaining they're after you for yours.

Feel free to presume what I meant by the thread. Actually I'm kinda used to it by now. If the criminals started doing suicide bombings in our churches or
volunteering to drive school buses, you wouldn't be alarmed. Whateva...

used to be I could get a decent response from you,Ziggy.....now you're just
one of the guys, I guess

lol :tro: :tro: :tro: :tro:

Shorter Timm: One time you agreed with me.

was that 1 time in 3 years??;)

The diffirence being that Muslim people (not all of them but a large part of their sect) believe that you and I no matter what we believe are wrong unless we believe in Islam and they will kill you because of it , in a heartbeat.
They are doing it all over the world ,they are killing their own Muslim brothers and sisters and throwing acid on little girls faces on their way to school.
To me , from an observers point of view, Islam is a violent faith that promotes its self as peacefull God loving people , if they want the world to see that they are peacefull then its time they stand up to the radicals and tell them no more. But they wont because that would get them killed and so for the Muslims that wish no harm on anyone well they will just have to get used to being clumped in with the bad guys.
Do I see their faith as something I should fear? no , but the people practicing the faith , maybe so.

It took 363 days but that was the funniest line I've read this year.

then why worry what 'their' book teaches, if they aren't even all following it?!?! how dangerous can it be, if those this book is purporting to reach, isn't being reached.
boy, you've really thought this thru. :rolleyes:

apparently my responses are only decent when they coincide with your POV. when they differ, they aren't decent? lol whatever....like i said, treat criminals as such, when proven to be so. being a muslim isn't criminal. holding entire groups as being a certain way due to the actions of some-that isn't decent at all.

apparently you only read the news when no one stands up, and have missed all the calls from muslims asking for peace. it happens, but much like other good news, doesn't get front page above the fold headlines.
blanket statements have no place in dialogue. the squeaky wheel as they say gets the grease, so the violent muslim gets the story, while those who wish to live and let live get ignored, or painted as being part of the problem, not part of the solution.
i assure you, fostering hate does nothing to solve the problem-and imo the seed of this thread is planted in hate and fear, and ignorance.

thanks, altho i doubt i get anywhere, except reminded i'm no longer decent...

it's not that you're not decent, you've just become a deep thinker

I dont hate Muslims , I hate what the radicals do to people their own and others . They control the situation , if the peace loving one's had enough gumption or nerve they would stand up , write letters to the world , make a statement on tv to everyone that would listen that this is not what their faith is about . Yet they stand by and let their brothers and sisters with hate in their heart do the talking , why dont the leaders of these countries who are Muslim , if they dont condone the violence the followers of their faith stand up and say something , make it stop , stop supporting them with money and arms. I am not ignorant , I went to school with a Muslim girl , I have neighbors that are Ethiopian and Muslim all very nice people who dont seem to care that Im not Muslim . I dont hate anyone , but Im not so blind that to see a pattern of hate that is fostered from the time some of these people are born , Dateline did a great piece on children in Palistine that are tought in school to hate and are tought how to build bambs that they can strap to themselves so they can kill people and this is something that thru the Muslim faith is considered honorable. So I guess when the peace loving kind hearted Muslims stand up for what they believe in then people might start to believe that Islam is not a violent faith. Until then the perception is greater to think that Muslims are violent and treat their women and daughters like trash , that they dont care about their fellow man nor themselves.

sadly, that happens everywhere. it's not limited to muslims, it's christians (who somehow manage to ignore the words of their leader) as well. i was just around my brother in law, who goes to church every sunday and went to help feed the homeless on christmas--sounds like a great guy, right....yet he uses the 'n' word, which i told him was disgusting. and he has three kids. no doubt he considers himself a christian, yet teaches his children hate by exhibiting racism.
we can all do better. but pointing fingers at others, while pretending we are so great (do we put others down so as to hopefully become elevated?) in my opinion is wrong. timmi is a hater. it's that simple. he seems however to feel that HIS hate is ok, as it's directed towards 'the bad guy'. but in doing so, he himself becomes that which he hates. i don't hate anyone. too often i have been dismissed (usually due to being a female) so i don't take dismissal from anyone, towards anyone, too lightly. if people want to be disgusted with those who actually commit a crime-go for it. but blanket statements about an entire group, based on the actions of some in that group, imo is wrong, it's distasteful to say the least, and should not be allowed to pass without comment. honu, surely you have dealt with things like this, perhaps not as strongly, in your line of work? i try to put myself in other peoples' shoes, and give benefit of the doubt. there is no way i can say that all muslims should be questioned due to the actions of some. that's just a stereotype-and i thought we fought those things?

Ok Ive been giving your post some thought , I can agree that the people of this faith are going to get lumped in , I can agree that some( most likely a majority of) so called Christains dont really follow the tenements of Christ. I will tell you the only Muslims I have met have been one's in America and I never even thought to not like them , they were just people.
Have you met alot of Muslims in the Middle East ?

Huston Smith wrote a good book, The Religions of Man. Covers the seven major religions. Very easy reading. Very educational. Very cheap on Amazon.

It's a world society, borders become more meaningless every day. Know thy neighbor.